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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:07 AM
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Al From: "The DLC has saved the Demo Party once...."
(NOT Clinton. The DLC is responsible for it all, yah know? :puke:)

snip...................

This New Democrat movement has had a short but remarkable history. Think about how far we've come. As you saw in the video we started in 1985 when we lost 49 states in the presidential election. But we started with a very simple belief, and that was we thought if we honored the time-honored traditions of the Democratic Party, those values that made all of us Democrats, but offered new ideas and new approaches for furthering them, the American people would once again trust us with national leadership. So we did and so they did, and the nation and our party are much better off for it.

In the 1990s, under Bill Clinton, we had the most remarkable record. Again, on the video, we saw what that record was, but it's a record that George Bush would die for. Who could imagine that a New Democrat president of the 1990s would create 23 million new jobs, raise employment to record heights and unemployment to three-decade lows, keep inflation under control, get incomes going up after a three-decade slide, reduce poverty. You talk about a liberal agenda -- we reduced poverty at a faster rate than in all but one decade in American history -- that's over 200 years. We moved more than 8 million people from welfare to work, we reduced crime in this country for eight straight years, and we did it by making the federal government the smallest since the Kennedy administration.

(Kef: lots of "we"s there, huh?)

But today the New Democrat values of opportunity, responsibility and community, and the progress we saw in the 1990s are in peril -- from a Bush administration that would undermine our values and reverse that progress, and from some in our own party who would take us back to the pre-Clinton days, who refuse to learn the lessons of President Clinton's success. We can't let that happen and we won't do that.

(Kef: There's that "We" again. Who fucking elected them to decide such things?)

The DLC has saved the Democratic Party once, and we're bound and determined to do it again. We can't afford to do anything less because the stakes are so high.

When I think of all the things we wrote in this Blueprint and this just incredible critique that Bruce Reed and Ed Kilgore wrote of the Bush presidency, the one thing that stands out to me is how George Bush is pursuing policies that would undermine the fundamental promise of America. For the last three quarters of a century, from the beginning of the New Deal on, policies largely set by Democrats have been consistently devoted to growing the middle class, to making us a party -- a country of upward mobility, and they've succeeded. We now have the first mass middle class country in the world, and we have had policies that have consistently been aimed at expanding that. But what does George Bush do? He comes in, and he undermines the ethic that grew that middle class -- the ethic of hard work. If George Bush had his way, the only people who would be taxed in America are the people who go to work every day and play by the rules, and that is wrong. (Applause.)

more..................

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=84&contentid=251942

Hubris, thy name is From.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:16 AM
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1. who's living in the past? From!
blah blah dishonest blah blah supporters mean and rude blah blah unfair attacks blah blah we're democrats too blah blah same ad hominem attacks against Dean as always blah blah can't be repeated enough at DU blah blah because Dean's still front runner blah blah let's tear him down blah blah because our guys can't seem blah blah to inspire anybody blah blah blah blah blah blah .blah blah dishonest blah blah supporters mean and rude blah blah unfair attacks blah blah we're democrats too blah blah same ad hominem attacks against Dean as always blah blah can't be repeated enough at DU blah blah because Dean's still front runner blah blah let's tear him down blah blah because our guys can't seem blah blah to inspire anybody blah blah blah blah blah blah .blah blah dishonest blah blah supporters mean and rude blah blah unfair attacks blah blah we're democrats too blah blah same ad hominem attacks against Dean as always blah blah can't be repeated enough at DU blah blah because Dean's still front runner blah blah let's tear him down blah blah because our guys can't seem blah blah to inspire anybody blah blah blah blah blah blah .


Up yours Al From





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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:21 AM
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3. Clinton was a centralist BUT he was his own man
and NOT a DLC puppet
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:18 AM
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2. Check this quote out:
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 05:23 AM by khephra
"But we won't win the presidency just by showing up. We won't win the presidency if we just stand aside and say okay to the forces in our party, the forces that have driven the perceptions that are coming back of us being weak on national security and beholden to the interest groups, and for big government; if we say okay, it's your party again. If we do that, we will not win the presidency, even though we could beat George Bush, and that is really, to me, the key message of these two days. We need a political strategy that not only wins the Democratic base -- and we want to win that base -- but expands it because, as Mark showed, with a 32-percent party, you can march every one of us 32 percent to the polls and you still get beat better than 2-to-1."




There's that "we" again.

Let me repeat this part:

"If we say okay, it's your party again. If we do that, we will not win the presidency, even though we could beat George Bush, and that is really, to me, the key message of these two days."

OKAY, SOMEONE WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT QUOTE TO ME? :wtf:

And for all those people who have stood up and defended the DLC, if you read this article you will see that YES the DLC DOES think of itself as being in control of the party and as the guardians of what should be allowed and what shouldn't be allowed.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:22 AM
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4. THe DLC seems to think they're really the ones in charge
"You've got to win those swing voters who make the difference, and the way we do that is with the kind of message that's in that New Democrats' Declaration that Bruce just talked about. It's a message that allowed Bill Clinton to be the most popular president with the base of our party."

Notice that everything Clinton did is the result of the DLC.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:05 AM
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17. ooh, new slogan
These guys are real party animals with the language. What do you suppose they mean by "interest"?

DLC: Disinteresting Lowturnout Conjob

DLC: We're not interesting!

DLC: New and uninteristing.

DLC: Can I interest you in a Bridge?

DLC: Growing the disinterest.

DLC: Don't Le'ts Call a spade a spade.

DLC: Nobody's interests, nobody's interested.

DLC: Because Disinterested and Dreadful beats Popular Dissent

DLC: The Magic of Compound Disinterest


whew. had to get that off my chest.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:22 AM
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5. This makes for powerful election spin.
Any Democrat who failed to use this in an election deserves to lose.

You can minimize the contribution of the DLC all you want, but the basic facts are correct, and the beauty of it is, almost any near-center Democrat can lay claim to this legacy, as opposed to the one Bush has laid down.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:25 AM
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6. No, the basic facts aren't correct
For all of From's bitching, it's DLC Democrats who helped Bush get those very agenda items through.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:42 AM
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13. Ouch!
And so true.

Compromising becomes habitual after awhile...even when not necessary or even sensible.

There's a joke in show biz: "Show biz is a huge mountain of shit with an exquisite and delicate rose at the summit. The problem is, that after you eat the mountain and actually get there, you may have forgotten what the rose is for."

If you spend your life currying favor and making sure you're not hated, you're still gonna be hated anyway and you won't have a thing to show for it.

This center loving is self-loathing. Moderation is one thing, and practicality always has to be a concern, but Bayh should just go fly a kite while jumping in the lake, and after that he should shinny up a banana tree and evolve.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:09 AM
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19. good analogy
and the observation on self-loathing is right on. These guys are self-loathing Democrats.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:03 AM
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16. I think we're talking about different facts:
In the 1990s, under Bill Clinton, we had the most remarkable record. Again, on the video, we saw what that record was, but it's a record that George Bush would die for. Who could imagine that a New Democrat president of the 1990s would create 23 million new jobs, raise employment to record heights and unemployment to three-decade lows, keep inflation under control, get incomes going up after a three-decade slide, reduce poverty. You talk about a liberal agenda -- we reduced poverty at a faster rate than in all but one decade in American history -- that's over 200 years. We moved more than 8 million people from welfare to work, we reduced crime in this country for eight straight years, and we did it by making the federal government the smallest since the Kennedy administration.

That looks correct to me. I'm not particularly interested in tilting against From and the DLC, but I am interested in something like what is in that paragraph. It's one thing to talk about 'taking our country back;' it's another to have an example of what we want to take our country back to, and what we want to take it back from.

There's a pun in there if I cared enough to work it right. From, from....
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:28 AM
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7. 'Swing voters' are a myth...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 05:29 AM by Q
...invented by DLC Republicans to take the party to the right and appease their corporate masters.

- The DLCers seem to be making shit up as they go along. They insist that Al Gore 'lost' because of his 'populist' campaigns and anti-corporate messages. But anyone with the ability to read knows this is an outright lie. Just winning the popular vote alone proves that Gore's message resonated with a majority of voters.

- I'm convinced that the DLC is working for the Republican party and the Bushies in particular. They may have began as a Democratic 'think tank'...but they've either given up or have been bought off.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:30 AM
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8. The DLC NEVER...ONCE...won 50%+ of any Presidential Vote....
...yet they view themselves as the "centerists" saviors of this party. They've been fortunate enough to run candidates in 3- way races where the Democrat (Big Dog) cobbeled together enough votes --mostly from Non-DLC types-- to win an election.

They are truly delusional. They need our pity, not our vitriol.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:33 AM
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9. Here's the clearest statement about how the DLC sees itself
"As stewards of our party's future, we cannot allow our party to be hijacked by those who are so blinded by their hatred of George Bush that they cannot see the path to a Democratic victory."
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:37 AM
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11. That's the passage that jumped at me
I was about to post it. I've seen variations on that theme, that disgust with Dubya is somehow irrational, unseemly, and unwarranted.

"I happen to think George Bush is a pretty nice guy, but I want to replace him."


Good for you, From. Ask him if maybe, if it's no imposition, we can have the Oval Office when he's done trashing it.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:33 AM
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10. All I see here is .....
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 05:37 AM by liberalnurse
the DLC does not want Dean....and if Dean wins, they say it still is a loss... :puke:

Only if they continue to discount the grassroot Dean supporter will they loose. It reminds me of high school cliques.....the same ones want to be in control.....Well, when ya grow up, it sure is a bigger field..... And today, the long standing complacent voter is waking up, more informed and angry as hell.

I will not support the DLC because I am taking responsibility by speaking out, talking to my neighborhood and empowering the masses.
Dean accepts the role to be a leader and I crave for a leader.

Dean has the battle of his life, our life ahead of him. I'm behind a true Patriot. Dean supporters have rocked the boat of the DLC....Lets keep up the momentum and send them a Tsunami wave.

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:38 AM
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12. Here's another basic disconnect too
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 05:40 AM by khephra
"They put this New Democrat formula to the ultimate test. They took it into Democratic primaries against strong candidates and good and decent people, and they won with that New Democrat formula."

Does anyone here think of the Republican opposition in the 2002 election (or any election) as being "good and decent people"? The DLC tendency to kiss Republican ass comes to the front even here. When does the Right ever talk about us this way? Kiss kiss, DLC, kiss kiss.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:48 AM
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14. Ed Kilgore
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 05:53 AM by CWebster
Used to argue with him on Pete duPont's old board....In fact, the first day I ever logged on to the Internet was my first introduction to the DLC. I can still recall the photo which accompanied his articles...what a bad haircut.

;-)

What is so ludicrous is that while they tout traditional Democratic positions, at the same time they seek to undermine them. They really don't have a clear picture of where they stand, other than their apparent effort to make the Democratic party non-viable as the opposition party.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:00 AM
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15. DLC Fights for Relevancy


The DLC once served a useful purpose as a Republican Eye for the Liberal Guy.  Now they've been transformed into kooky Conversion Therapy missionaries with a goal not of saving the Democratic Party from obsolescence but making its candidates indistinguishable from the perpetually rightward-drifting GOP.

Now the DLC is out in full force with counterproductive, chicken little warnings about "Bush bashing," the white male and "security mom" vote, and so forth.  No one can quite figure out what its goals are at this point, beyond preserving its own survival for the sake of...preserving its own survival.

Despite the DLC's warnings, the evidence shows that the Democratic Party has not only not suffered for the "Bush bashing" on the part of its presidential candidates and rank and file - but has benefited immensely:  Each time the Democrats have stood up to the Unelected Fraud they have surged in the polls and he has plummeted.  Each time they have decided to "not allow daylight" between themselves and the Fraud, they have faded. - http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:09 AM
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18. the DLC has been a disaster for the dem. party.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:50 AM
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20. There was a presidential election in 1985?
Could've fooled me.
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