So suddenly we're supposed to care about dead Iraqi kids?

[Jesus H. Christ]

Because apparently when Iraqis do it it's a travesty. CNN is all over how a bus with kindergartens got blown up. Complete with graphic details about how the seats were shredded, etc.

But they seem to conventiently ignore when US troops do the same thing.

What a load of bullshit.

[Doomsayer13]

1. there is a difference you know

the US does not Intentionally target children, women, and civilians. Terrorist do. There are tragic civilian deaths that count as collatoral damage, and I agree that the media has done a piss poor job of covering that. But I'm reluctant to cast our troops int he same lot as terrorist insurgents.

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Sorry to burst your bubble Doomsayer..

But the leveling of Falluja was an attack on a civilian target. They indiscriminately killed hundreds of civilians for payback.

[KurtNilsen]

15. Leveling of Fallujah?

[Guaranteed]

3. No, we do it intentionally.

We just don't do it with the PURPOSE of killing innocents.

We knew full well when we started this war that one of the consequences of our actions would be thousands of dead innocent people- we did not kid ourselves. We went ahead and invaded anyway- we accepted the consequences, intentionally.

On edit: And if things like what KissMyAshcroft is saying are true, then we're even doing it with the purpose of killing innocents.

[Doomsayer13]

5. it's a generalization

nobody knows the full details of what went in on Fallujha other than there was intense fighting and some airstrikes. Trust me, if we wanted to level Fallujha, they'd all be dead. All of them, we would've fire bombed the entire place. That sort of mentality that counts all military action as intentionally killing innocents is flawed and cannot be corraborated with any concrete evidence at this point. Fallujah still stands, last I checked. These so called "precision bombings" are no doubt flawed, but they are at least carried out with the intent of minimalizing civilian casualties as opposed to insurgent casualities.

[KissMyAsscroft]

6. We dropped a 2,000 pund bomb that leveled 80 homes..

I would love to live in the fantasy world where America has the superior moral high ground, but I live in reality.

When you have a huge army with weapons, you don't HAVE to resort to terrorist attacks.

[Doomsayer13]

7. I'm not saying we're on any particular moral highground

but when compared to terrorists, you bet we are. I'm not justifying the military actions in Fallujha, but what has happened so far in this war does not corrarborate your view that the US is killing indiscriminately. Again, if we wanted to, we could kill everybody in Fallujha. Everybody, Man woman and child. But we dont - why? Because it is neither the US's stated purpose or intent to kill indiscriminately.

In addition, do you have a citation for your claim that a 2000 pound bomb was droppsed on civilian residence? I'd like it, just for my records.

[KissMyAsscroft]

9. In our war for independance, we killed indiscriminately...

If we were the Palestinians, we would act the same...

The point is this...what does it MATTER if we target them on purpose or not? We have killed over 8,000 civilians in Iraq! That's 2 9/11's!

Do you think you would care if your family was blown up by "accident" or if it was deliberate? I wouldn't!

There is a fighter pilot and they basically have the order to drop a big fucking bomb on a neighborhood full of kids....terrorism? Who fucking cares. The kids are dead.

[KissMyAsscroft]

10. I'm not going to do your homework for you..

If you are so naive that you think that we don't drop 2,000 pound bombs on neighborhoods (that article was all over this site a few days ago) than I don't even need to talk to you...you are mindless.

[anarchy1999]

11. Go and google Fallujah.

Yes we dropped many bombs upon this little suburban town. Much like you probably call home.

We dropped 2,000 lb bombs and we dropped 5,000 lb bombs. We also dropped cluster bombs upon this village full of insurgents and "dead-enders". Feel better now? Hey, dude, we also dropped something new called a "stun bomb", do you know what that is? We don't. We are all still trying to figure that one out. Enlighten us, please.

PS/ Learn to spell

"droppsed", for your records.

[RapidCreek]

13. God how unbelievable!

What the fuck do you call dropping a bomb on a neighborhood?

RC

[Skittles]

23. my mum survived bombing blitzes in England as a child

believe me, when the bombs are dropping children do not care "whose side they are".

[RapidCreek]

16. You arrogance is unbelievable

Nobody knows the full details of what went on in Fallujha? The Iraqi's in Fallujha are nobodies? More specifically why do no stateside Americans know what went on in Fallujha and why is the military seeing to it that no one will?

As to your assertion that we would've fire bombed the town if that is what we wanted to do....you are wrong. In spite of wanting to the military could not...or their fearless leader would be tried and successfully convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Here is a question for you pal. If you lived on the West side of Chicago and you called the cops to report a robber breaking into the next door neighbors house....what would you think if they dropped a 5000 pound bomb on the fucker? I guess you wouldn't be thinking much at all, eh? Then again...those things happen....an unfortunate loss? Oh wait...Iraqi's aren't as important as you are...they're nobody's.

3000 American civilians dead is pretty unforgivable...8 to 20 thousand murdered Iraqi's....well that's just unfortunate.

RC

[izzie]

18. I understand your point but.......

If your child is killed it does not count. Also what the people seem to think is they are killed because the American's are in their country. Too many do not say the terrorists do it but the American's made them do it because they are there. Also all armies protect them selfs at the price of the people around them and think it is the right way to go. I do think all through history the army that takes over feels this way. I am sorry you are dead but you were in our way, to take the hill, island or what ever.

[bowens43]

21. They are carried out with the intent of killing.

The people fighting the invaders ARE civilians for the most part. There are no excuses. Every bullet fired, every bomb dropped is intended to kill someone had done nothing more then defend his nation against invaders. The war is illegal. Every action that is taken by the US troops is illegal. The troops are there to kill Iraqis. It's their job. There have been THOUSANDS of women and children killed since the beginning of the invasion. Intent is irrelevant.

[TNOE]

25. Precision Bombing

What an oxymoron..... why is it when rich men shoot and kill it is war - but when poor people fight back its called terrorism. I think it would look pretty damn bad for Bush* to keep talking "liberation" and "freedoms for the Iraqi's" if we just leveled the whole town, although I doubt the freepers would have any problem with that.

They repeat like robots Saddam gassed his own people, bad man - and yet when its us - its nuke the whole town, level it, etc. - and they somehow want to insist they are any better or different than Saddam. There are too many people who are clearly brainwashed and/or delusional.

[Jesus H. Christ]

4. The "terrorists" were targeting enemy collaborators.

I'm sure the children were just "collateral damage" to them too.

[RapidCreek]

12. What a load

Tragic collateral damage? Sorry charlie but firing an automatic weapon into a populated area...or dropping a bomb on one is done on purpose....and any moron knows that doing so is going to result in the death of children. So it stands to reason that the result of a purposeful action is itself purposeful. Take your self righteous load of shit and peddle it to people stupid enough to swallow it.

RC

[dudeness]

17. 12 years of sanctions

specifically targeted young children (500,000 according to UNHRC) and the same suspects are lining up to slaughter more Iraqis again..

[bowens43]

20. There is no difference what so ever.

When the US lobs a bomb into a building or opens fire on a van full of women they are INTENTIONALLY killing. KNOWing that there is a high probability that there will be deaths other then their primary target. The only difference between those who blew up the bus and the US military is that the US military is better armed. The war is illegal. The attacks are criminal.

[pinniped]

8. BS alright, they have no problems counting the dead in this instance.

n/t

[anarchy1999]

14. I would hope that each and every one of us here would care about

a bus load of any innocent civilians. It that bus is full of kids, we should all be down on our knees, begging to be forgiven for the lives we have cut short. For the lives full of hope we have taken for no good, god damned, reason.

I apologize for my curse. My heart breaks for us all..............

[Piperay]

19. It's always worse when you kill

your own people, especially if your the "other guy". :eyes: (sarcasm)

[Jesus H. Christ]

22. bump

nt

[bigtree]

24. Double Bump