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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:33 PM
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Can this be true?! 44 US soldiers killed, 30 captured, 18 tanks ablaze!
http://www.jihadunspun.com/index-side_internal.php?article=873&list=/home.php&

Translated And/Or Compiled By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice, Edited By JUS

In a report posted just after 1:00am Mecca Time on Wednesday morning, Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent in al-Fallujah wrote:

It appears that safety is still a remote hope for the American forces even when they are engaged in withdrawal. A group of American forces pulled out of al-Fallujah and, outside the defiant city, they loaded their armored vehicles on 18 transport vehicles and set off for what they thought was the security of occupied Baghdad. But suddenly the attacked the convoy, wiping out the entire unit, and setting all the transport vehicles and their cargoes ablaze. The cargo consisted of nine tanks, nine Humvees, 18 armored vehicles, with each transport vehicle carrying a Humvee and a tank or two armored vehicles. Thirty-six American aggressor troops were killed, each vehicle having a driver and an assistant. In addition, nine more US soldiers were killed inside the tanks, and 18 soldiers who had been riding them.

At the time the report was filed, US aggressor forces had sealed off the area of the attack which is located 15km from al-Fallujah.

Withdrawing Americans Fly White Flags In Retreat From Al-Fallujah

A report posted at 1:20am 14 April 2004 Mecca time from special correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam in al-Fallujah reports witnessing more than 50 American tanks and armored vehicles flying white flags in an effort to be allowed out of al-Fallujah unharmed. The correspondent personally witnessed one US soldier get out of a tank unarmed to prove that his white flag meant what it normally means in military practice. US forces pulled out of al-Jawlan, as-Sakani, al-Jurayfi, and as-Saqlawiyah neighborhoods and districts.

30 US Marines Captured

Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent in al-Fallujah also reports that Iraqi Resistance forces captured 30 US Marine on the night of Monday-Tuesday. The Marine invaders were attempting to break into al-‘Askari neighborhood during the night and were clad in black for camouflage. The Resistance observed their attempt and allowed them to get into the city whereupon they were all captured. The correspondent reports that the Resistance fighters were surprised at how easily and quickly the Americans surrendered, putting up no resistance whatsoever. After a series of defeats they have suffered in and around al-Fallujah, it is possible that the troops are demoralized. They no doubt feared that they would otherwise share the fate of those who had already died and therefore preferred to surrender. All the American prisoners were taken to a secure location and continue to be held at the time of this filing.

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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:35 PM
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1. God, I hope this isn't true.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 09:36 PM by kixot
This would be the worst single loss we've had thus far.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:36 PM
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3. But who knows? When you cannot believe your own government whom
do you believe.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:36 PM
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2. "US aggressor forces" sounds like "NATO war criminals"...
used by the Yugoslavs. Hard to interpret this report as objective.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:36 PM
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4. Judging by the source
and the fact that this supposedly only happened a few hours ago, I'd say it's probably exaggerated to say the least.

Marines do not surrender, that's for sure.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:37 PM
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5. Oh my.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 09:37 PM by gristy
Hard to say if this is true. Usually time will tell. Notice that the dateline is yesterday (4/15). If nothing similar has shown up in other media, then maybe (and hopefully) it isn't true.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:40 PM
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9. I'm also starting to wonder if the reason the troops
are being kept in Iraq is because there are are NO MORE VEHICLES for them to be transported in!!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:46 PM
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11. or no gas, they have blown up a bunch of fuel convoys n/t
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:38 PM
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6. Bull. Or at least I doubt it.
On the other hand it's entirely possible.

Gawd I hate our current liars, I mean Leaders...
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:39 PM
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7. Do you believe it? I don't.


I like this one: "Withdrawing Americans Fly White Flags In Retreat From Al-Fallujah."
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jfxgillis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:39 PM
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8. No
Any other questions?
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:41 PM
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10. Baghdad Bob Back in Business?
:eyes:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:49 PM
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12. Nothing on Al-Jazeera
which I consider credible. If it was true Al-Jazeera would have it.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:51 PM
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13. odd
Would you consider surrender an option if you believed you were combating disorganized fanatics who had been killing hostages for the past week?

I would expect a night-invasion marine force of 30 to have night vision equipment and aerial UAV reconnaissance such that they would know the location of every warm body anywhere near them.

These jihad fellows would publish this too .... Encourage attacks against 50-strong armored units and 30-strong marine commando units?

Nothing about it makes sense
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:53 PM
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14. "Tanks" on transport vehicles???
In a battle zone? Maybe, but it sounds strange to me.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:54 PM
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15. Jihad Unspun's reporters ---- some guy with Word.
:eyes:
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 10:05 PM
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16. No way in hell...
the 30 marines wearing black clothing as camoflage? Ain't gonna happen. The USMC doesn't issue black fatigues to combat troops.

50 tanks and APCs waving white flags to get out of Fallujah? What, were they out of ammo AND gas, and all their radios were broken?

9 soldiers in APCs and tanks can put up a hell of a fight, even with just one person per tank to man the guns. They were buttoned up and still surrendered? HIGHLY unlikely.

Sounds like the guy that was saying there are no US forces near Baghdad, while you can see them in the background. Mr. Muhammad Abu Nasr, please put down the crackpipe and step away from the terminal.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 10:11 PM
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17. Sounds Like Propaganda
I wish there were some relatively objective source we could trust. Maybe Fisk.
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YankeeFan Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:28 AM
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18. It's Making Bush Seem Credible
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 12:29 AM by YankeeFan
You have to consider the source.
Is it on CNN, MSNBC, Fox? ANYWHERE ELSE? I think a few Iraqis threw some rock and shot a few RPG’s. Might have done some damage. A couple wounded…
But is it true?

Going over to Yahoo:

World Section
• AP
• Reuters
• AFP
• OneWorld.net
• NPR
• CP

This is the closest:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=18&u=/ap/20040416/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_mosul_attack

MSNBC: Nothing. CBS, ABC news, nothing.

2nd Place: Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,117264,00.html

Soon after Saddam fell, I heard an Iraqi quoted as saying that they don’t fear American soldiers. They fear our machines, but not the people in uniform.

Now try and think here. If anything near this magnitude of disaster were to actually happen, the news media would be all over it like ants over a dropped ice cream cone. And it is quiet out there. It’s almost enough for me to say “Troll.”

What is really sad is there seems to be so many people here takinng ANY story out of the Mideast at face value. Don't look now but you are making our enemies laugh.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:45 AM
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19. Jihadunspun -- sounds accurate to me
After all, we can trust the Arab press.

Without the Arab press, I never would have learned how the Egyptians overran Israel in 1967, or how all the American soldiers were killed in trying to take Baghdad last year, or how the Jews eat children, or how the Jews knew the WTC was going to be bombed so stayed home from work.

Marines surrendering without a fight so they wouldn't be killed?

If jihadunspun printed it, it must be true.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:39 AM
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20. I'd think a "real" report would include unit info
Something like, "...50 vehicles from the 2nd marines armored division were seen leaving al-Falluja flying white flags..." None of this generic "Marine invaders" crap.

C'mon. It's not like Arabs didn't INVENT the number system we're using, and I'm sure the reporters have some idea of which units are where -- same way most Americans would know the Lakers are in the NBA playoffs. This would be the single biggest military defeat of the entire occupation. I'd expect a lot of corroboration and witnesses, as well as some sort of video footage or photos.

Not saying it's impossible, just that the report is implausible.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:44 AM
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21. Dont buy this skewed crud ....
Its as ideologically twisted as the J Post or the Washington Times ....
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:50 AM
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22. No Commander would pit his fighting units in a compromised position
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 01:51 AM by opihimoimoi
described in this report. Unless he was low on neurons. Seems to be a false report. I hope I am correct.
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