WHO Put GWB in the White House and WHO is Keping Him There?

[Beam Me Up]

BUSH:"They're not happy they're occupied. I wouldn't be happy if I were occupied either."

The man who holds arguable the most powerful political office on this planet is an idiot. He can't read. He can't write. He can't think on his feet (or sitting down, either, I assume). His grasp of the events unfolding around him is superficial, narrow and inconsistent. Moreover, Bush didn't just become an idiot recently, he has been an idiot all along. He was an idiot before he became the governor of Texas and he was an idiot during the run-up to the 2000 election. He was an idiot prior to the hellacious events of 9/11, behaved like an idiot during those events, and has continued his idiocies ever since.

I ask, WHO put this man in office? Moreover, in the face of all that we now know, WHO is keeping him in this office? I think it is pretty clear that if the full measure of this President's and his Cabinet's heinous maleficence were known, neither he nor they could sustain their offices. Yet they endure. So far.

Who benefits?

Moreover, it seems to me that anyone who would go to the trouble to get an idiot into the Oval Office and anyone who would go to the trouble of PERPETUATING THE ILLUSION that George W. Bush is, in fact, a genuine President--would have absolutely no intention of SURRENDERING any of the wealth, power or influence they have STOLEN FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE by means of this ruse.

Comments?

[Redleg]

1. That statement by Bush was probably the most insightful thing he has said

about Iraq. I agree- he is a light-weight thinker. Perhaps that's why the puppetmasters in the GOP like him so much.

[indepat]

2. Should your theses have substantial merit, just think of the implications

for the future of this once Republic.

[Beam Me Up]

4. Yes, this is precisely my point.

I don't see how an idiot like George W. Bush could ever be placed in the position of being the most powerful man on the planet WITHOUT, at the very least, "a conspiracy of silence" on the part of the media. Helen Thomas called Bush, "The worst President in all of American history." That may yet prove to be an understatement. But few reporters or talking heads have the COURAGE to speak their minds as clearly or forthrightly as Helen Thomas. In stead we have this ILLUSION that is perpetuated in our minds that this man is WORTHY of the position he occupies. He obviously is not.

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[ComerPerro]

3. The simple answers are : The Supreme Court, and 9/11

The Supreme Court put him there, and 9/11 is the only thing keeping him there.

But, to seriously answer your question, I think it is safe to say that more than enough people are benifitting from Bush being in office and allowing corporations to run rampant. Sadly, though, the percentage of Americans who actually benifit from Bush being in office is somewhere around 0.5-1% of the population.

The main reason Bush was the candidate in 2000 is because Cheney didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected.

[indepat]

10. I suspect those benefiting are in the range of 2% to 5%, but even at that

higher estimate, his other supporters number in the tens of millions: they, IMNSHO, are either brain dead or brain-washed or both.

[ComerPerro]

16. they are typical fascists

They are completely submissive to figures of authority, as long as they feel that they are above someone, anyone in the hierarchy.

[Nightjock]

5. Easy answer...

Supreme partison court judge Scalia put him there by stopping the recount in Florida.My favorite picture the day Bush took office was his motorcade passing by a person with a sign that read "STOP! THIEF!"

The Republicans have effectively played on peoples fears by exploiting 9-11 and they view Bush as the only force between us and terrorists.

Because of Karl Rove (I hate him but he is a genius at manipulating the public)40% of this country will vote for Bush NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

A large number of Americans just cannot-- and will not-- accept the fact that a man sitting in the White House could possibly lie about going to war, go on vacation when he knew Osama was going to strike us, ect. ect.

The 10% of undecided Americans voters are waking up and...

there will be a RECORD turnout of voters who know we cannot afford another 4 years of Bush.

Don't worry. He's already toast and most folks are not even paying attention to politics right now.

[ComerPerro]

7. I am starting to think that the "Rove is a genius" talk is BS

I used to think he was good at manipulating the public.

But now I realize that he is just an idiot, like Bush.

Nothing he does is really that impressive. Its just that the media never questions any of it. Under normal conditions with a free press and no 9/11 to hide behind, none of this shit would fly.

Consider the press conference about two months ago when they released "newly discovered documents" (read: forged) supposedly proving Bush's military service. They were pathetic, dark, illegible copies. They didn't prove that he served, and if anything they proved that he was paid for doing nothing (like his presidency).

[Nightjock]

13. I have gone back and forth on Rove

but look at the numbers. That 40 percent of Bush people believe everything Rove tells his minions to say!!!!!!!!!
And they will never change thier minds. You can't even debate them. You throw out cold hard facts and they dismiss them.

Can that many Americans be gullible, naive, stupid, ignorant or whatever adjective you care to put in there?

The compliant media is definately a factor but I am not sure.

Bush is the Joe Izuzu of politics and Rove spins him out of every lie.

[Beam Me Up]

20. The media is telling us what the "numbers" are.

Why do we believe them? I find it increasingly difficult to believe ANYTHING emanating from corporate media. I keep hearing this "40%" figure. Perhaps it is true, I don't know, but IF IT IS TRUE it is true only because the corporate owned media is responsible for creating and sustaining an ILLUSION. Are they, themselves, under the spell of their own propaganda? Do they believe their own lies?

[Generator]

37. I blame those that refuse to see, the blind eventually lose their eyes

"And they will never change thier minds. You can't even debate them. You throw out cold hard facts and they dismiss them."

I know, it's so hard to not blame THEM because they do not want a FACT to get in the way with their FAITH that this man is a LEADER.

It's all about people being afraid, which is unfortunately what leads to every corruption in society. The media is afraid to lose their position, their power, and their nice paychecks. If I was at that press conference I would have started yelling, "You didn't answer the question. Answer the question. You are accountable to the American people", But no one risks that. Again if everyone were to back up that reporter, if all the reporters DEMANDED an answer then the world would see that no intelligent person is buying that he is a LEADER. People worship power, I have seen it all my life in jobs I've held. Oh, he's the boss, who cares??? He is a fake, he lies, he evades, he cheats, he steals. It doesn't matter what his title is. Respect is earned, dammit. Stop worshipping power.

[rock]

25. I tend to agree

Karl is evil and not very smart, but willing to do things illegal.

[Beam Me Up]

11. I agree with your perspective and I hope your predictions are right

It looks to me like Bush is "toast" as well. But I'm very concerned that those who have benefitted MOST from creating and sustaining this ILLUSORY PRESIDENCY, not to mention the horrendous events of 9/11, will NOT volluntarily give up the wealth, power and influence they've gained. It looks to me at this point like we're way beyond having a political system of checks and balances that actually WORKS.

[Nightjock]

17. One thing scares me

Computer voting with no paper backup.
But I heard Kerry addressing that a few months ago so I hope he stays on top of it.
I would not put it past Bushco to rig machines. Look what they did in Florida to thousands of minority voters who never got to cast a ballot.

[montanacowboy]

6. They have no intention of surrendering power -

they have waited years to control every level of government - the executive, legislative and judicial - it's now theirs and with a weak and voiceless opposition they have no problem having absolute say so. They have worked judiciously over the years, putting together think tanks, and widening their grip on the media.

They have already put fail-safes in place for the election - remember if one thing seems to go against them, they have other tricks to pull out of their bag, and if all that fails, well, we could have another 9-11.

Remember that * has said two times on national media, once during the MTP interview and again at his infamous "press conference", "I'm NOT GOING TO LOSE" - he is telescoping their plan. They can count on the weak sheeple and the weak Democratic party to again let them steal an election.

[MonicaR]

8. And turncoats like Ralph Nader to help them,

[Nightjock]

19. He's not so much a turncoat but

an egomaniac.
I will paraphrase James Carville talking about Ross Perot in 1992.

"It is the biggest public display of masturbation in history."

To Nader, it's all about him.

I truly believe he will drop out a few months before November. But even if he doesn't we will win. CHECK THAT.
America will win because we will be a Democracy again.

[barbaraann]

9. He didn't say "I"m going to win." He said "I'm not going to lose."

I think that reveals what we're up against.

[Beam Me Up]

15. So, if this IS what we are up against, what is OUR plan?

I agree with what is being said. Bush and his cabal have no intention of LOOSING--have no intention of vacating the high office of the President of the United States--have no intention of allowing THE RULE OF LAW come between them and what they have fought so long and hard to achieve.

[smirkymonkey]

27. I completely agree with you...

they aren't going to let go. The only hope we have is for them to destroy themselves from within. Honestly, I don't think in a legitimate election they could win, but I don't have high hopes for a legitimate election.

The way he said "I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE" in the press conference sent chills down my spine. There was something very forceful about it, he seemed so certain.

I really want to believe that we can pull it off and I will support Kerry and the process right up to the election, but I just don't think they are going to leave it up to chance. Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I am beyond disgust and depair right now.

[Hornito]

12. Plain and simple....

Who put him there, and who's keeping him there?

1. The neocons, backed by their pro-Likud friends in the media and Congress, and allied with groups like AIPAC, JINSA, and PNAC.

2. Big Oil

3. Big Corporations

4. The greedy wealthy

5. Evangelical Christians

All of the above have joined together to capture our government, destroy our Constitution, gut our Treasury, and subordinate our foreign policy. What do they all share in common? Greed, ideological rigidity, acceptance of fascism, and a willingness to destroy this nation in an effort to see their goals accomplished.

Bottom-line, is that they are, one and all, traitors to this nation, yet they think we who oppose THEM, are the traitors. Civil war anyone?

[checks-n-balances]

14. It's been a TROJAN HORSE PRESIDENCY

IMHO and simplistically speaking, the "Military-Industrial Complex," the greedy side of corporate power and the angry Religious Right's power grab put him there. They were helped by a successful propoganda machine, spreading the rationale they've used (like "trickle-down economics") to rob from the poor & middle class and that's been building steam for decades.

And they couldn't have done it without the voters who have been misled and misguided by their message.

I guess some are waking up and recognizing that it was a Trojan Horse.

I think that greed & power got him there, and the only thing that would keep him there now, IMHO, is if his party can keep exploiting fears & memories of 9/11.

I think they've rightly earned the name "Rethuglicans"!

[Minstrel Boy]

18. There are many clues in Florida, I think.

There's a convergence of ugly coincidences in that state.

Even as brother Jeb, signatory to PNAC, is fixing the election for his brother, 15 of the 9/11 hijackers are calling Florida home.

Accoring to witnesses, Jeb accompanied the flight school's records to Washington after the FBI raided the school in the middle of the night after the attacks (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1328855). Jeb and the FBI didn't get lucky. They knew where to look. Daniel Hopsicker talks to a former Huffman Aviation executive in his book Welcome to Terrorland. The FBI, the man says, actually turned up at his door four hours after the attacks. Not for information; for intimidation. He tells Hopsicker he believes Atta and friends were double agents, and fears for his life because he "knows too much" about flight school financier Wally Hilliard and he "has a family to think about."

And remember the flight of the Saudis under protection of the White House? A number flew by charter from Tampa to embark a 747 at a Raytheon base. The charter was owned by flight school financier, Wally Hilliard. Atta had boasted to his American girlfriend Amanda Keller that he had wealthy Saudi patrons in Florida, and that he could do as he pleased.

The same month Atta arrived at Hilliard's school, the DEA seized Hilliard's lear jet with 43 pounds of heroin aboard. Quid pro quo? Sounds like the DEA and the CIA got their wires crossed. And Hopsicker has uncovered evidence indicating Atta was involved in drug running during his time in Florida and was chummy with former Iran/Contra pilots who'd flown guns/drugs missions out of the same airport.

So, what's all this, and more, suggest? Both Jeb and George are wired into Poppy's world of drugs and dirty money, but Jeb is dirtier than George, because he's an idealogue as well as a criminal. The 9/11 plot was in the works for sometime, and GWB's instalation was vital to ensure Americans were shocked and awed into submission by the catalyzing event.

[Beam Me Up]

24. A Government of Criminals

This is how I see it. This is what frightens me. It would be "bad enough" if the Bush family and their cohorts were merely "politicians" but they are not. They are a Criminal Enterprise with several generations worth of connections in the war profiteering business.

As I see it, we are being set up for THE NEXT WORLD WAR. We--the American people--are being played like a fiddle. And if we don't snap out of it, and QUICK, the costs we are going to have to pay--not only in dollars but in liberty and blood--is going to leave us reeling for generations to come.

[Jose Diablo]

36. I don't know who it was that put *Bush there

but whomever it is, they live on Jupiter Island.

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. And will he relinquish power if he is voted out?

My dad bets he won't and I am beginning to agree.

[leftofthedial]

22. What once was known as the MIC

The ascendant hegemony of global corporate and financial interests, backed by the US military and western intelligence. (The CIA is not nearly so inept or powerless as the 9-11 hearings are meant to make them appear. They are playing the same game as the bushgang--pleading incompetence so no one exposes their culpability.)

Let's not forget that 2000 was not a simple election dispute. It was a coup.

[bobthedrummer]

23. SCOTUS and the RNC

[Junkdrawer]

26. The big four in the BushCo coalition...

1.) Oil Industry / Foreign Construction Industry

2.) Other Multinational Corporations

3.) Likud

4.) Religious Fundamentalists


Of course this list has a lot of overlap, but those are the biggies.

[maxsolomon]

28. i never got why mccain wasn't good enough for this cabal

but he wasn't - perhaps he was too much his own man.

[Beam Me Up]

30. He's smarter than Bush

IMO. They couldn't just tell him what to think. For another, I can't imagine McCain SAYING, much less believing, that God had talked to him and told him to "smite them" (or whatever the hell Bush said). Perhaps McCain represents a particular faction within the neocon convergence that the others feel threatened by.

[adriennel]

29. lesser known Repugs

needed the Bush name to "win" (haha) a national election and implement their evil little plots

anyone think Cheney could have won on his own? Rumsfeld? Rove? all these Reagan/Bush has-beens were waiting for an opportunity for their second 15 minutes of fame. these are the people who "elected" Georgie, they're the ones running the show, and hopefully they will reap the downfall and consequences (though I'm not holding my breath)

these political geniuses failed to realize that while the Bush name can capture attention intially, Bush himself can't seem to keep the momentum going in a positive direction. I can't see Georgie's attitude or appearance drastically changing for the better in the next few months...George just isn't up to working that hard.

[Beam Me Up]

31. I'm beginning to think they haven't half a brain between all of them

. . .or perhaps I'm misinterpreting their agenda. One would think that if you were going to invade a country you would at least have your ducks in line--plant your WMD WELL IN ADVANCE--make sure the troops while, perhaps not welcomed, would at least be able to accomplish their mission.

But PERHAPS their agenda is NOT to lead the United States Military to VICTORY--but quite the opposite. Perhaps their ultimate agenda is to make GOVERNMENT irrelevant--that is, to remove even the SEMBLANCE of decision making power from the people.

I'm beginning to imagine a world where there are NO STATES, only CORPORATIONS. A world where militaries are PRIVATELY OWNED, with overt and covert forces under the direction and control of those who own them. I am beginning to realize that we are MUCH CLOSER to this now than most of us know.

[cliss]

32. thanks for bringing this up, bmu.

Not a day goes by that I don't think about this issue. What's happened to my country? Everyone, in their hearts, know that there's something dreadfully wrong with the US when we're off killing innocent people in another country.

As far as the leadership goes, I believe that we have a convergence of ideologies. It's not just the corporations who are prospering. We have:

1) Corporations who would love nothing more than their leash taken off, to run riot all over the world with no restrictions. The profit margins are endless. It also helps if the corporations can dip into our own treasury and bilk the taxpayers while they're at it.

2) Religious interests. There are many religious conservatives who are happy that George Bush is in the WH. They helped put him in office. For them, it wasn't the profit margin. They want to make sure we're on the right side of Armageddon, when it happens. And they are inching us closer to the abyss. Consider also the evangelicals who were wandering around Iraq, one of them were killed recently.

3) Neo-Con World Dominating wanna-be's. This is a very powerful force. We have some profiteers like Adnan Khashoggi and Richard Perle here, but for the most part these are ideologues who want to rule the world. They're not so much interested in mere corporate profits, but having the entire world population be at their command. This is the foundation of the PNAC.

4) A man with brain damage, and a self-esteem which was sandpapered off by his mother and father long ago. George Bush is an alcohol and drug abuser, who is incapable of running anything, let alone an entire country. Add in a grandiose sense that God is talking to him, and that he is the chosen one to lead our country to victory.

So it makes perfect sense that these 3 interests would pick Bush. A man who would not give them any trouble; had the prestige of a presidential family who would give him the backing and support.

Add these 4 together, and you have the makings of the Perfect Storm. God help us all.

[Junkdrawer]

34. Add in Likud and our lists (Post #26) match...

:thumbsup:

[ConcernedCanuk]

33. The American People -

[Beam Me Up]

35. The American People are certainly one of the factors

but, admittedly perhaps because I am an American myself, I tend to not want to collar them with the whole responsibility.

I tend to agree with Chomsky when he says that if the American people really knew what was being done in their name, they would put a stop to it. But the fact is the American people are being lied to; the history we know is not the real history either of our country or of the world. Or, to put it another way, we've not been taught a history that, for example, includes a class analysis of domestic and foreign affairs. Global economic systems have not been explained to us in a way that is relatively easy to understand. Our attention is focused toward issues and problems but only in very limited way, only very superficially.

We are not only not asked to feel the consequences of our actions, we are encouraged to stuff any feeling of discomfort with a 'fix'. Any time we feel any discomfort or desire or sense of lack we are encouraged to buy a product--whether that product is anew car, a new computer, or a drug, or a book, or a movie or the latest 'in' thing--to fill in the inner void.

THE ILLUSION OF A BUSH PRESIDENCY IS A PRODUCT I WILL NOT BUY.