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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:56 PM
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Would Dean accept a VP spot?
Now, I don't think he'll drop out... but, if it looks like Kerry is going to win the nomination, would it be smart for him to tap Dean as his veep? Would that bring Dean's grass-roots following to the campaign? Or would it be smarter to tap Clark (if he'd take it) to bolster the defense issue--i.e. two decorated vets versus two slimy draft-dodgers?

Thoughts?
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:59 PM
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1. Dean and Kerry are neck and neck in the polls...
Sooo you can't really predict who will win the election at this point...right?

But, whoever does will have to choose a southern belle like Graham or Edwards to pull votes from Southern states me thinks...
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:59 PM
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2. Kerry should go with Edwards or Graham.
Two "liberal" northeastern guys doesn't get us very far. Two vets would seem like overkill. I like our odds with Kerry-Edwards or Kerry-Graham.
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:03 PM
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3. Dean-Graham
is the most likely ticket, i do think Graham is running for VP.

Maybe Lieberman/Delay as a third party ticket ? :evilgrin:

If the establishment gets scared enough , i wouldnt be suprised if Dean is "offered a Veep slot". Howard already told me........NO DEALS :D
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:35 PM
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14. It's true, but too bad. To New Englanders won't fly n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:03 PM
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4. I'm convinced they NEED to tap Clarke
for VP....
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:04 PM
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5. He's the ideal candidate
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:04 PM
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6. Wouldn't a Kerry-Dean ticket be seen as too liberal?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:11 PM
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7. dean,kerry not likely to pick other (not because of any hostility)
dean and kerry are most likely to not pick the other should any of them win the nomination. not because of any hostility that may exist between the two. but because they are both from the northeast. even if they were the best of friends and agreed on everything, i don't think they would pick the other just because they think for political reasons they could get more votes with getting someone like edwards or graham.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:11 PM
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8. An all New England ticket won't fly
I don't see how it would get through the convention. I don't see the Florida, Texas or California delegations voting for this ticket, much less Illinois, Michigan and/or Indiana. All would want a more central (geographically speaking) VP candidate. The winning combination is always a mix of someone representing the North and the South, or at least the Midwest.

An all New England ticket certainly won't win in November 04. That ticket wouldn't carry a state south or west of New York.

I'm not slamming any candidate here. Just talking political realities.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:20 PM
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9. Dean followers WILL support the nominee....Kerry
They are the hard core, pissed off Dems. Kerry doesn't "need" Dean ... his supporters will follow anyway if Kerry wins the nomination. Kerry must pick a southern boy - Edwards or Clark are the best choices, with Clark having the edge because of his military background. A Kerry / Clark ticket I think is the best Kerry can do ... as much as I like Edwards.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:22 PM
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10. True.
Speaking as a Dem on the fence (I like Dean's 'outsider' thing, but I like Kerry because he's pro-gun control and anti-death penalty.)
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:41 PM
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16. THIS Dean supporter
will not follow Kerry!

He voted for the slaughter and still defends it.
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jagguy Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:27 PM
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11. I can't see Dean playing backup
and yo sure as heck don't want two guys from the same place running.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:32 PM
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12. Kerry wouldn't pick him
It doesn't "balance" the ticket. Dean wouldn't pick Kerry, either. It doesn't make sense.

Kerry would need somebody exciting, though. If Kerry is the nominee, I hope he picks a woman, black, asian or latino. If Dean is the nominee, he'll have the excitment necessary, but will need to bolster "security" issues, but picking a "tough" VP (like Clark)
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:32 PM
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13. yes
I think he would. However, I think the most likely people to ask Dean to run with him would be either Graham or Gephardt.
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:42 PM
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17. I don't think so. . .
However, anything is possible. But, speaking of VP, I was one of those GET CLARKY people, but I've had second thoughts. Clark would be great but he lacks one thing that Dean has wisely said he wants - someone with organizational knowledge of Washington. This was Carter's downfall. He never really "got" how Washington worked, or the learning curve was too great. Granted, having Mondale should have helped, but it didn't. I'm really leaning toward Graham now. He's an establishment figure, can relate to the Governor-Washington shift, been outspoken as hell and really exudes wisdom. And having a secret weapon in Florida and the rest of the South can't hurt, neither.

eileen
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:08 PM
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19. Graham would be wasted as VP, should be Prez
He's got the experience and the goods on Bush. Got an excellent electoral college count. Integrity and personal appeal. Has been able to fry Bush without seeming divisive. He's got a sense of humor and a sense of perspective that shows. ("Osama bin Forgotten," "the Pinocchio President, hah!)

Dean, Clark, and Edwards would all be fortunate to serve as VP and go to school on Graham.

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:37 PM
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15. Does he need to?
I will say that Dean could be around for some time, so I'd bet he'll weigh his options when the cards get laid out in terms of the primary.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:03 PM
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18. No
Realistically, if either Kerry or Dean wins the nomination, the best choice for VP would be Bob Graham or Gary Hart, who are the best people for security issues. Clark would be redundant for Kerry because of his own military background. Personally, I'd rather see Clark as Sec. of Defense.
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:15 PM
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20. I can't see...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 11:16 PM by tameszu
Kerry asking Dean or Dean saying yes. And, as people have noted, Dean hardly fits the profile Kerry needs: a moderate southerner who resonates with white males. There's little chance Kerry could pick a minority, unless he could draft a big time African-American leader who could seriously mobilize southern black voters into turning out. Although Bill Richardson--do "Whispanics" count as a minority?" might be a decent fit...

Clark would be a good choice for Kerry but not for Dean. While Clark's foreign policy cred is nice, Dean does need someone with beltway experience--a double "outsider" ticket would be a liability, especially when there's alternatives like Graham available. Not that Dean/Clark wouldn't be a TON of fun. I would love it, even if I'd be worried...

I think Kerry picking Clark would be a very good decision--it's pretty hard to have vet overkill, especially in the current climate. And it's hard to get anything better than a moderate southern hawk who criticized the war--Kerry will have a tough time getting the hardline anti-war people back on his side anyway, and he's so liberal (in U.S. terms at least) on other issues that it would be suicide for him to choose anyone more liberal than himself. But he could pick up both a few doves with Clark's position on the war, as well as a good number of moderate hawks and independents with Clark's profile...

Of course, if Clark runs, that would change *everything*, in a bunch of sense...
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:24 PM
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21. Everyone always says they won't accept a VP nomination, but
it's a tough offer to turn down. I think any of them would accept it.
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:56 PM
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22. Kerry or Dean
It's interesting that Dubya picked another guy from Texas, didn't worry about geographic diversity at all. But I'm just wondering if geographic diversity is more impt, or having a high amount of charisma, or just a balanced ticket. I agreed with the person who said if Kerry gets the nomination he should consider a woman, maybe a southerner. I think Graham has alot to offer, but is kind of low on charisma. Dean would do well with Edwards or Gephardt.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:32 AM
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23. Dems' best tix, IMHO
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 03:36 AM by stickdog
1) Dean/Graham
2) Dean/Clark
3) Kerry/Graham
4) Dean/Gephardt
5) Kerry/Edwards
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