I need some info to battle a repug ...

[ronnykmarshall]

Where are some links to reports about our troops and the lack of supplies and bad conditions.

[trumad]

1. The Flak Jacket scandal

http://truthout.org/docs_03/093003E.shtml

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Thanks

anymore will help.

I'm getting into it with this woman in one of my yahoo groups. She has relatives in Iraq and she refuses to believe that there are troops that are lacking supplies.

[rinsd]

3. Careful though....

Do some googling on this site in regards to Haliburton & contracts and overcharging.

You don't want to be left holding the "John Kerry voted against the $87B bill" bag without rebuttal because that will be the likely retort.

I would also recommend going over that bill so you know what is in it.

Here is an article dealing with armored Humvees and the lack thereof

http://slate.msn.com/id/2095705/

"She has relatives in Iraq and she refuses to believe that there are troops that are lacking supplies."

Is she a possible convert or die hard?

If a possible convert, tread lightly. Use terms like "I hope this is being resolved" & "we can afford to have the best supplied troops so that is what we should have". The urge to let fly zingers is strong especially on the internet but you may give her something to think about without actually "winning" the argument.

Good luck.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. She's a die hard

one of those that refer to monkey boy as "Our President". She called another member of the group a liar when she brought up the subject of the supplies and then whined when she was "attacked". I've come close to banning her a few years ago when she was bordering on being a homophobe. But of course she has a "favorite cousin that is gay".

[rinsd]

5. Ignore my convert advice then ;-) (nt)

[trumad]

6. That's a fucking easy rebuttal

he voted against it as a protest against the lying scumbag known as President Asterick!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

7. Go to my website....

and look under The Military section -- you'll find muliple resources for stories on how badly our soldiers are being treated:

www.doyouknow.org

[Room101]

8. Here...........

ARMY TIMES
An act of ‘betrayal
In the midst of war, key family benefits face cuts

Commissaries and the Defense Department’s stateside schools are in the crosshairs of Pentagon budget cutters, and military advocates, families and even base commanders are up in arms.

The two initiatives are the latest in a string of actions by the Bush administration to cut or hold down growth in pay and benefits, including basic pay, combat pay, health-care benefits and the death gratuity paid to survivors of troops who die on active duty.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=0-ARMYPAPER-2335705.php

ARMY TIMES
Nothing but lip service

In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap — and getting cheaper by the day, judging from the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately.

For example, the White House griped that various pay-and-benefits incentives added to the 2004 defense budget by Congress are wasteful and unnecessary — including a modest proposal to double the $6,000 gratuity paid to families of troops who die on active duty. This comes at a time when Americans continue to die in Iraq at a rate of about one a day. Similarly, the administration announced that on Oct. 1 it wants to roll back recent modest increases in monthly imminent-danger pay (from $225 to $150) and family-separation allowance (from $250 to $100) for troops getting shot at in combat zones.

http://www.armytimes.com/archivepaper.php?f=0-ARMYPAPER-1954515.php

VETERANS FOR COMMON SENSE
Support The Troops
Deeds Not Words

The House of Representatives voted on a fiscal 2004 budget that cuts funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly $25 billion over the next ten years. Narrowly passing by a vote of 215 to 212, the budget accommodates the president’s $726 billion tax.

Coming only a day after Congress passed a resolution to “Support Our Troops”, Veterans for Common Sense views this action as anything but. The $25 billion cut passed by the House of Representatives will slash healthcare and benefits for disabled veterans and beneficiaries, and significantly reduce VA’s ability to care for casualties resulting from the current U.S.-led military conflict in Iraq. It also cuts $204 million from Impact Aid, a program that supports the education of service members' children. To make matters worse, the Bush Administration has ordered VA medical centers to stop publicizing available benefits to veterans seeking care. And as of January 2003, the Bush administration ceased enrolling some eligible veterans for healthcare benefits.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1582

I Hope this helps:smoke: