5 minutes! Repeat of Democratic Presidential Candidates Forum.

[ianbruce]

Just a heads-up. 8:15pm (PST) - 11:15pm (EST) on C-Span 1

http://www.cspan.org

[SummerGrace]

1. Thanks! I was checking

to see when it repeats; can't listen to too much of Rumsfeld.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

2. Thanks for the heads up

[ianbruce]

3. No Sweat! On now!

n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

4. Yes, so cool.

Govener ..er.. president *

[Wonk]

5. Direct RealPlayer link here

http://play.rbn.com/?url=cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan1-g2.rm

[gulliver]

6. LOL! "Governer, er, President Bush declined."

John Sweeney. :-)

[UTUSN]

9. Thank Goodness Mod Ain't RUSSERT or STEPHI

Intro applause: Big for DEAN, bigger for GEPHARDT, big for KUCINICH

Not big for the rest. Am looking for the moments from the earlier threads: DEAN stealing "all votes counted" thunder from LIEBERMAN, KUCINICH angry?

Uh-oh: "Four of you voted for (NAFTA). Senator KERRY, if it were before you today, would you vote for it." No.

[snooper2]

7. So again..

Everyone gets to see Lieberman try to trail off the previous speakers statements.

GO DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(edit for missing a f on off :) )

[mjb4]

8. bob edwards commentator!

I love the guy and he HATES Bushco. atleast that is what I hear in his reports each day!

[snooper2]

10. I missed the first half earlier..

But Kerry sounds kind of strong right now...

[mjb4]

11. is c-span close captioned?

i need to get on the phone..was going to read text,but there is no text..

[Tinoire]

17. Will try to capture for you best I can

Sharpton re over-time and Bush saying only 6000 will lose but labor says millions will.


We can't let this admin start gradual ways to erode wages earned by workers. Not let them get us into a distracted debate about how many will be hurth by this rather than that people will get hurt. This is a human rights issue

People must be paid for their work. No compromise. Need to stop Reagan's legacy that G Bush is carrying on.
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[nolabels]

12. Thanks for the heads up, and everybody's else's what to watch for!!!!

:kick:

[LWolf]

13. I'm watching it online right now

from the CSpan site. Hoping to catch the parts I missed the first time around.

[Tinoire]

14. Thanks. I'm watching it now. Lieberman riding on Clinton/Gore... n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Watching him now...he's toast...people want change..he doesn't

[Exultant Democracy]

15. Wow Al...

He is sure comming out strong. Who ever gets the nob better hire him as a speech writer.

[snooper2]

16. Sharpton cracks me up...

The moderator said something about the jobs question, and the first thing he said was "my cab driver wasn't in the union" (being late)...crowd laughed more than they probably will...

[Tinoire]

18. Kucinich Jobs WTO NAFTA

Kucinich... Nafta big damage to economy and labor movement destroing jobs. 6.6 million manufacturing jobs. His first act will be to cancel NAFTA and WTO. Challenges the other candidates to promise to cancel the WTO and NAFTA bills that some of the other candidates voted for (lots of applause)

[UTUSN]

19. Whoa, KUCINICH Just Scratched Himself Off V-P List

Breathing FIRE, first things he would do as prez will be cancel NAFTA and WTO-----then, making friends, "Ask these others if they will. DEAN will you? GEPHARDT you voted for WTO. Let's find out tonight. Answer the question."

The mod, EDWARDS from NPR, is relaxed and funny. Said, "It's a good thing I didn't ask you FIRST. I'm sure they will all want to answer you...in their closing statements."

GEPHARDT is in his element and his prime. But they're all good. BRAUN is talking well.

[tjdee]

23. Good Gooood, Lieberman is the most BORING speaker in the whole world!

Geezzzzzzzzzz....

but in reply to your post, when you listen to whatever it is Lieberman was saying LOL, and consider that he has more money than DK, wouldn't you be pissed if you were DK?

[ianbruce]

31. He take some Angry(tm) pills?

I like what he's saying, but...

[juajen]

42. Hi, ianbruce

Yeah, he was too ascerbic. He's got to cut down on that and use it judiciously. Unfortunately, I don't have his ear. He's much better in an individual forum, like the Harkin/Iowa Forum. Did you hear that one when it was all Kucinich. He was great. No yelling and he went over much, much better. Standing ovations. Small crowd, though. Hope lots of people watched.

[tjdee]

22. I think DK is pissed.

I think he is upset that he has to work so hard when many of them are ranked higher, getting more money--when all they're giving are pat answers, from his perspective.

[UTUSN]

26. Can't Maintain this Level of P.O.-ness Without Snapping

So...KUCINICH is the ticked one. SHARPTON is having fun. GEPHARDT (tonight) is at home. KERRY-LIEBERMAN-DEAN are earnest, wary of mis-stepping, wary of losing ground. EDWARDS and GRAHAM haven't featured much.

[Tinoire]

27. I'm upset about that too but the truth will come out ...

Give it time

[diamondsoul]

68. Actually my inside source says

he's much more pissed about being ignored by mainstream media while Dean seems to be the coverboy. He's been slighted and outright lied about for months and he's getting sick of it.

[tjdee]

70. Yeah, okay, I didn't want to mention Dean by name, LOL!

That's the first person who popped into my head.

Welcome to DU!

[Tinoire]

20. Health Care 41 Million Americans uninsured

Dean: In VT, 99% of kids under 18 are eligible, 96% signed up. Says we are 2nd class citizens of the Industrialized world on this issue and this needs to change. rescind Bush tax cut and put that money in Health insurance. Wants to model US system on what he did in VT.

(missed some)

Gephardt: all employers offer health care plans to all employees. Will rescind Bush tax cut to pay for this. No one should have anxiety about losing this. Personal story about how health insurance helped save his son's life. Health Plan is a moral issue. It's immoral to have anyone without Health Insurance in this country.

Braun: Health Care insurance should not be tied to employment. Single payer system we need to cover every American. We spend more for Health insurance, 15%, than any other system in the world being wasted in admin costs and profit. My plan won't increase cost- we need to reform it. Comprehensive change to have single-payer system like Canada, New Zealand....

[Tinoire]

25. Health Care - Kucinich & Lieberman & Kerry & Sharpton

Kucinich: is a great social and economic cause. We've failed miserably (explains why). Howard (Dean), Tax cuts are no fix- they still leave big co-pays, medicine bills... We're paying for a system we're not getting. 1.4 Trillion dollars wasted. We need to reclaim our system from the Pharma and insurance companies and I'm the man to do it.

Lots of applause and cheers.

Lieberman: step by step health care improvement program . Let's expand the CHIPs program for kids. I've been listening to the workers... COBRA too much... will introduce a plan in a few weeks that if you lose your job you won't lose your health insurance.


Kerry: has plan that will dave $1000 per family in premiums. bigger, bolder vision than Joe's. National journals, independent group of expersts judge his plan the most feasible. For every American- the same plan the President, Senators, give themselves.
163 million people get their Health Care at work but every wage increase goes into health care. Govt mus pay for it taking back the tax cut GB gave these companies. Tax savings on this 10 times what GB gives Americans.


Sharpton:

Health care must be a constitutional right in this country. Right to guns, prayer and all- no, need quality healthcare to be a constitutional right. Should not have a 15 trillion $ economy and people have no health care! 25% of the money we spend on Health Care wasted on paper. Health Care must be the issue of 2004

[revcarol]

21. Be sure and see DK's closing remarks.

He mentions the elephant in the living room for labor:PRIVATIZATION OF FEDERAL JOBS.

[West Coast Democrat]

28. Al Sharpton is a strong speaker

He's much better-spoken than Jesse Jackson.

[ianbruce]

29. Originally, I thought the empty podium was for Shrubby...

I'm a Dean supporter, but thank God Sharpton showed up... I think he's adding a lot to the forum.

[UTUSN]

33. KUCINICH Attacking the Others Again (DEAN)

KUCINICH in a fury about retirement age, will keep it at 65.

KERRY: (Not a response to KUCINICH) "That's trickle-down economics and we're all tired of being trickled ***ON*** by (Shrub W. Shrub)."

[Tinoire]

35. He has every right. Dean changed his story. Dean needs to own up

to what his real stance is and not pretend it's soemthing it isn't. That will only haunt him.

Absolute sincerity is going to be needed in this information age where people are more concerned than ever, paying attention and able to research what people had really said.

[Tinoire]

36. Sharpton on Education

role of Govt is to help ALL students with access to equal qualitry education and not to select who will get this.

Rescind Bush's tax cuts (Enron & off-shore companies) to pay for this. We have an AG that can't find corporate criminals but can put every labor leader in the Union Movement under investigation.

(Cheers and LOTS of applause here)

[RichM]

57. I HEARD Dean on Russert in June mention raising the retirement age to

67 or 68 as a possibility he'd have to consider. Now he's denying he ever said it.

[tjdee]

72. I thought I heard that, then I wasn't sure since Dean said that.

Watching it tonight I was confused cause I thought I heard the same thing on MTP.

And he went back to the 'rules' to 'correct' Kucinich on something he did indeed say? WTF Howie!

[chimpymustgo]

73. Howie is an arrogant little something, no?

Back peddled like crazy on retirement age. But the rules thing was so - jr. high. Not ready for prime time.

[Tinoire]

30. Pensions

Edwards:
Too much money at the top and not enough at the bottom, same with pensions and pension security. Need corporate reform and pension parity, CEO pay too high need to reform this, democratize Board of Directors in this country so that workers have a voice in their pension, benefits and rights.

Graham:
(says what Bush did) How does one generation treat with dignity and respect the next- especially the elderly, Need to not let privatization destroy social security like it did 401Ks, need pension protection for all, all pensions should be guaranteed by Federal govt

Dean:
Wealthy americans should be paying their fair share of SSN to that it can survive. (tells a story Pensions,,, Wal-Mart) fire boards to protect people, corporations shouldn't be rating the pension funds because it doesn't belong to them. Complete pension reform so we have portable pensions when people change jobs.

Kucinich:
Pension money doesn't belong on Wall Street. Block privatization of social security. Retirement age needs to go back to 65 w/ 100% benefit. Calls Dean on calling retirement age to 68 or 70. Challenges others to promise to SS solid to year 2041 with no changes whatsoever to it. Will not allow the privatization of Social Security. (lots, lots of applause)

Kerry:
peoblem with huge salaries at top and even bigger bonuses, write offs and benefits while they rape the workers and their 401Ks plummet. Gives some real life examples. Basically says the rich are stealig from the workers. That's trickle down economics and every worker in the US is tired of being trickled on by GW Bush.

[JohnKleeb]

34. great

I am hearing that he may have won the debate too. Go DK.

[Tinoire]

32. I'm taking a break someone else take over pls

I can't capture them all. Missing too much. Want to focus on DK and am a slow typist...

[UTUSN]

39. Joe Just Had His Boo-ing Moment

Had to suck it up.

[Tinoire]

40. Felt kind of sorry for him. Looks like it was a real shock. n/t

[West Coast Democrat]

37. Breaking: Lieberman would not pick Ashcroft for Att. General!

Awww...and you guys keep claiming that Joe is a closet Republican!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. But he took it in the shorts on the vouchers...

[Tinoire]

41. You're too funny. That really cracked me up! n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

43. Go Dean

"Every thing * does is a disaster for this country. I'll be repealing a lot more then that."

[ianbruce]

44. Dean: "Everything Bush does is a disaster..."

... and I think he addressed Dennis K's retirement age comment rather diplomatically.

[Tinoire]

45. Edwards very gracious I like his performance Just gave DK kudos

says he and DK have the best union supporting votes and performance.

He really comes across graciously. You get a 10 for that Edwards.

Very good... Wants to ban permanent replacement of striking workers

[JohnKleeb]

50. very good Edwards

wouldnt be bad as a VP imo.

[Tinoire]

46. Kucinich on Labor

Workers Rights I will hold inviolate. Raight to organize, strike, bargaining, safe workplace, secure retirement, so all workers can have an uplifted standard of living.

Right now, right to work only means right to work for less.

Will use power of White House to protect workers.

Will repeal Taft Hartley.

When half of the workers sign up wanting to unionize then union is automatic.

Reps from Dept of Labor must come from Labor.

[JohnKleeb]

48. wow

and this I just found about.
Reps from Dept of Labor must come from Labor.
Can someone say Secretary of Labor Sweeney.
DK of all the candiates will probably like my workers' memorial idea too.

[RichM]

52. Why in hell didn't they cheer when he proposed repeal of Taft-Hartley?

I mean, this is a labor audience, right? Don't they know what he just said?

I feel as though the audience did not fully grasp how astoundingly pro-labor the positions Dennis just outlined are!! It's either that he's speaking too quickly, or the audience is just not responsive after hearing a whole evening full of speechifying. But it really seems to me, they should have received what he just said with wild enthusiasm, not just polite applause.

[JohnKleeb]

66. I dont know

but repealing taft-hartley was once a goal of the party, but when the moderates took over, it was lost. :toast: to labor's candiate Mr. Dennis J Kucinich, good luck.

[UTUSN]

47. Closing Statements: GRAHAM (Pinocchio pResident)

GRAHAM: "(Shrub W. Shrub) has lost the trust of the American people. War I opposed and some on this stage supported. We have a PINOCCHIO pRESIDENT. Nose keeps growing."

[UTUSN]

49. EDWARDS: Shrub Comes from a Different Place

Take care of people at the top.

[UTUSN]

51. DEAN: We Can't Beat Shrub by Being Like Him

"This time the person who gets the most votes is going to win the WH." (Nice smile tonight)

[UTUSN]

53. LIEBERMAN: Independent Minded Dem

Going to protect UNdocumented immigrants. (There goes the O'WHORELY vote.)

[UTUSN]

56. GEPHARDT: My Dad, My Mom

"This pRez must be defeated. He has declared war on the American people. I can hardly wait to get into a debate with him."

[UTUSN]

59. SHARPTON: Win a Direction

"Building coalitions. I didn't just come here to get a vote, came here when time to (blood/sweat). I'm to the conservative here---to conserve Roe, etc."

[UTUSN]

60. KERRY: 9-11 Heroes All Members of Organized Labors

"Having a skilled pilot land you on a carrier in a borrowed suit does not make up for lost jobs, et al."

[UTUSN]

63. BRAUN: Shrub Crowd Classifies Halliburton as Small Business

"I can make America work for working people."

[UTUSN]

64. KUCINICH: With Labor's Help

"I have defeated incumbent X, X, X...Together we can save this nation. Repeal Taft-Hartley. A Workers' White House. Illegal, immoral war."

[ianbruce]

58. That sez it all... both points.

n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. I'm a lot closer to making up my mind

I have entirely ruled out voting for Lieberman and Gephardt.

[tjdee]

55. Um, is Gephardt reading Edwards' closing remarks?

Look, Dick, if you wanted to talk about YOUR dad, LOL, you should have before Edwards did, LOL!

[Exultant Democracy]

61. I would be so proud to have any of the

8 dems up there as my President.

[tjdee]

71. There are nine can....OHHHHHHHH, LOL. n/t

[Tinoire]

62. Sharpton closing

Since my pre-teenage years have fought for corporate accoutability and civil rights.

Labor and others marched for MLK's dream but 40 yrs later still see a huge gap between the top and bottom, we still have a country that won't deal equally with labor and laborers

We need to back to what we were(LEFT) and focus on things that are people based.

I was there with blood and sweat on the line.

The secret is that I'm the conservative on this stage.

We need to conserve Affirmative Action
Conserve Roe vs Wade
Conserve workers right to organize
We must conserve what we won these last 50 years
and to conserve it, to conserve it VOTE FOR SHARPTON in the Democratic Primary. (cheers and lots of applause- the best orator up there!)

[UTUSN]

65. Good Format, Good Moderator, and Our GREAT Dems

Good night.

[Tinoire]

67. Kucinich Closing

((Tons of applause before he even begins, yes! ))

The bible says, the last shall be first.

My brothers and sisters, you know me, I never forgot my worker roots.

With labor's help, I defeated an incumbent Republican Senator, with labor's help, I defeated an incumbent Republican Congressman, with labor's help, I defeated an incumbent Republican (forget), and with labor's help, I will defeat an incumbent Republican president.

I guarantee a Worker's White House.

We saved jobs, so many, steal, Muny Light, Union,

Will issue an executive order to cancel NAFTA WTO

Will repeal Taft-Hartley
Ensure Universal HC
Ensure protection to fair labor rights
(missed something)
and end this (adjectives) war led by the lies and statements of this administration.

((Tons of applause again))

[tjdee]

69. Thanks for doing all that, Tinoire. n/t