The Anti-Christ

[rpannier]

When I was growing up in the 70's I vaguely remember some religious nut describing what the anti-Christ would be like. In his description included the following, "Unlike Jesus he will come from a family of priviledge. His power will be unlike Christs, because his power wil be political power, he will rise to great political heights. He will plunge the world into a major war." Yep, yep, yep. Sounds like shrubbie to me. What do you think?

[plurality]

1. also says he will lead the 'new' chruch

which many will believe is God's church, but that it is false. Seeing how Bush and his lackeys follow a bastardized version of Christianity that bears absolutely no relation to Christ's real teachings I don't see how it's much of a stretch.

[angryinoville]

3. Numerically, George Walker Bush Jr. =666

[Dan-W]

14. Poppy, #41

is George Herbert Walker Bush. Shrub is actually not a "Jr".

[newyawker99]

17. Hi Dan-W!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Dan-W]

30. Thanks. I've found a

"new hobby"!

-Dw:hi:

[hang a left]

22. I have thought at times that maybe Poppy could be the

antichrist.

Nostradaumus (sp) calls him Mabus, he also referred to Hitler as Hister or Hisler or something like that.

[fob]

27. Mabus is correct, but it's not a him. Mabus stands for

Ma Bush* or barbara "beautiful little mind" bush*!

She's the anti-christ! It only makes sense that the anti-christ would be female. Also Nostradamus talks about Mabus identified as having a blue turbin. This is why for a long time people decoded this to mean Saddam (backwards is mabbas, or Mabus). But when you see MA BUSh*, what is her trademark? That damn potatoe* sack blue dress!

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon(MA BUSh) which gave power unto the beast(george*): and they(neocons) worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great(as in fantastic not as truthful) things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months(Jan 2001 - Jun 2004).

This one scares me the most, because of bush*s insistence on the 06/30/04 handover date! Why does a several hundred year old "prediction" coincide precisely with our first/last theocratic pResident!!

13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him(His Mom couldn't get ghwb to pull the trigger but dim son* is more than proud to bring on armageddon), and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed(This is a little shaky but I think this means babs finally grows the penis she has been longing for?).

[Dan-W]

31. Poppy was born in MA

So, MABUSh. Also, Hister is what I remember from *Our Lady's man's* prophesies.

[Cleita]

41. "Makes sense the anti-christ would be a woman"????

How so?

[Dan-W]

43. Sure, Robin Williams exposed this in Spring, 1989.

Quote..."President Bush has only been in office a few short months now, and already (pulling a dollar bill fom his pocket and holding it up to his audience) his wife is on the one dollar bill!"

Don't forget the prophesy; we will *carry* the "mark of the beast".

[Cleita]

47. Excuse me for being blunt, but this sounds sexist to me.

It's like making the bad witch have black hair instead of good witch who has blond hair in fairy tales. I hate stereotypes anyway.

[Dan-W]

74. Well, excuse me.

I was just doing my old satire/sarcasm thing. Sheesh. Is it you, or is it me, that has to get a life? I guess I'm not long for this "place". Sincerely, -Dw

P.S. My #31 post to #27. Our Lady's man... Nostradamus. Got a clue?

[Uzybone]

82. Dont mind it

there are some people on here who are hypersensitive to anything.

[hang a left]

48. I thought Barbara was on the quarter?

[BeHereNow]

49. SPEWING on the keyboard!

Damn you!
ROLFLMAO!!!
BHN

[hang a left]

56. Hi BHN!

That was my last post of the night. Hubby gets pissed. Didn't make it down far enough on the thread to see that you came in.

[Dan-W]

75. Hey, who would know

for sure, that's only a profile mug shot.

[roguevalley]

37. the pope thinks he's the anti-christ and wishes he was younger and more

well so he could take him on.

[hang a left]

57. I didn't know that?

I wondered what was up with Cheney giving the Pope the glass dove. I thought that is was kind of like spitting in his face at the time.

[Alpha Wolf]

78. What is your source for this?

Where did the Pope allude or state that Bush was the antichrist?

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Yep. Have frequently wondered about that myself.

[raysr]

4. "New Church"

Haven't heard that, got a link?

[todwest]

5. Apparently, so has the Vatican

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

[newyawker99]

18. Hi todwest!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[todwest]

26. Thanks...

for the friendly welcome.

I feel all warm and fuzzy :)

[Minstrel Boy]

35. Thanks for reminding me of Madsen's article.

Still chills me, reading this:

"According to journalists close to the Vatican, the Pope and his closest advisers are also concerned that the ultimate acts of evil - the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon - were known in advance by senior Bush administration officials. By permitting the attacks to take their course, there is a perception within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy that a coup d'etat was implemented..."

And welcome! :hi:

[montanacowboy]

6. Absolutely

I have always felt * is the Antichrist - he fits every description - and George Walker BushJr = 666
No one but the Antichrist could do what he has done, and gained the power he has over the world.

And remember in all the Omen movies - the Nurse Dogs? he is surrounded by the nurse dogs. This is one scarey SOB

[GreenArrow]

23. nurse dogs? you mean like this?

Barney's own blog!

http://www.blogcap.com/barney/

[sam sarrha]

7. The 666th soldier died in Iraq on Easter.........

[RoadRunner]

8. The Anti-Christ is also called "The Great Deceiver"

hard to think of anyone more deceptive than bush*

[sam sarrha]

9. Revelation's was written 80 years after the death of christ... it was a

codded political rant by a man only identified as jon.. who was flaming against the Romans... in code to keep from being fed to the lions..

[drhilarius]

50. Revelations played out already...

...the most prescient aspect of the text was its prediction (basically) that the Roman Empire would succumb to Christianity.

[southpaw]

60. For the record...

There is no biblical book entitled "Revelations" (or Revelation's either, for that matter)

The book you speak of is actually titled "The Revelation of Saint John the Divine" or "Revelation" for short.

[Ilsa]

76. Thank you. I'm particular about this myself. n/t

[The Democratic Kid]

10. BUSH

Born Under Satans Hand nothing he dose seems to be right. Pray hard and fight like hell for change.

[bkcc]

11. sounds about right to me

But read any wingnut publications on the subject, and you'll be sure to note that the Anti-Christ is nothing like our boy king.

Take, for example, the "Left Behind" series of books. In the first book:

"...the slick, sinister Romanian Nicolae Carpathia plans to use the UN to establish one world government and religion. Resembling 'a young Robert Redford' and silver-tongued in nine languages, Carpathia is named People's 'Sexiest Man Alive.'"

...and in one of the sequels:

"Nicolae Carpathia becomes the focus as he continues to consolidate his power, unifying political states, media, and religions under a Nicolae-appointed supreme pontiff. Nicolae himself is grand potentate of the global community."

Gosh.
Nothing there sounds like Bush*, does it?!? He couldn't POSSIBLY be the Anti-Christ (or even a bad guy). After all, he's not Romanian...and he doesn't like the UN...and he talks with Jesus everyday.

[starroute]

51. C.S. Lewis, "The Last Battle"

I haven't read it in a long time, but as I recall, the anti-Christ equivalent was an ass dressed in a lion's skin, being led about and told what to say by an ape.

That's how I always visualize Bush and Cheney.

[Alpha Wolf]

79. That's funny, but in all honesty...

if the real antichrist shows up, there will be few-- very few-- people who are not seduced by him/her/it. The whole world will desire to love and serve him. And that's not Bush. Hell, the whole world hates him it seems. And there's nothing seductive about him.

[tom_paine]

12. Bunnypants* has united non-believers in belief

Ironic, isn't it? But when you finally do see the "Dead Zone" Greg Stillson or the AntiChrist, if you will, parading his False Piety and Imperiling Liberty and the World, it does give one pause.

Here's some of Revelations 13, which describes the Rise of Bunnypants* and the Conveniently Timed Death of Raygun, coming to a Pravda Channel near you in Octoboer:

13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

(buh-bye Raygun...we sure are going to enjoy the Dead Soviet Pravda after you're dead...NOT)

[camero]

20. To paraphrase Bob Dylan

You don't need to be a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.

[hang a left]

25. If he is then we should know very soon

"13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

That would put us at about June of 04 would it not?

"13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

This one is a little harder to figure out for me. How would Reagan be the first beast, and how would his deadly wound be healed. Could poppy in fact be the first beast?

[Dan-W]

40. May I take you back to March 1981?

Did not John Hinckley shoot Raygun in the chest? Subsequent magazine articles stated that the wound was less than an inch from killing him, i.e., heart, major artery.

[prodigal_green]

13. Though I don't really buy Revelations as anything other than allegory

He certainly does fit the description to a T. His false Christianity and proclaiming himself the messiah (as he does every time he talks about "liberating" another non-Christian part of the world) convinces me all the more. I just feel sorry for those that are following him right now.

I didn't know that the Pope was MIHOP or LIHOP. Very interesting.

Of course, if this is the case, then it means that the saviour is also present, which is a comforting thought. I wonder who it will turn out to be.

[rpannier]

15. John Kerry??????

We Can Hope in November.

[dflprincess]

38. I agree with your take on Revelations

besides, doesn't it say the anti-Christ will come out of Albion (England)? That might mean Tony Blair is the anti-Christ.

[hang a left]

58. I read somewhere on one of those conspiracy sites that it is

Prince Charles that is the anti-christ. I have also read it was Kissinger and a pharmaceutical company.

[Nihil]

70. Nah ... Tony's just a tosser ...

Isn't the Anti-Christ supposed to have been born in early 1962 by some
reckoning?

<Thinks ... late January ... 1962 ... England ... *That's* why I can
freak out next door's cat! Take *THAT* BushBaby! >
:nuke:

[yardwork]

16. I've often thought about this.

I don't believe that Revelations is literally true or prophetic.

I do think that the writer had an insight about false prophets. We all know people like the Shrub in our daily lives. They seem to be nice and pleasant on the surface, but when we get to know them well, they turn out to be selfish and greedy. All they care about is themselves. They never admit fault, and never apologise for anything. It's always look at me, me, me with them.

I think that the author of Revelations had that right, and I think that W fits the definition.

Nowadays we call these people "narcissistic."

[LeahMira]

19. I think...

that instead of looking for a person who seems to be some anti-Christ we need to be looking for some attitude... like greed or selfishness, etc.

I also think that prophecies were made with all of mankind in mind, not just the USA.

So, I guess my thought on the anti-Christ would be to wonder what is worldwide that is causing strife and sadness in the world.

[G_j]

21. I was reading an article recently about Bush's foreign policy

and although it was not about religion it just happened to say something to the effect of, Bush's invasion of Iraq and war on terror have unleashed demons that cannot so easily be put back in the bottle.

I thought there might be more truth to that than the author realized...

[noonwitch]

24. I read something that said that 666 in ancient jewish numerology=Nero

I don't know enough about the subject to say so. I do think that the Revelation is a highly symbolic prophecy about the end of the roman empire.
Ronald-6 letters
Wilson-6 letters
Reagan-6 letters.

If he comes back in the flesh after dying, I guess it's him. Or, the power behind the beast (the second beast) is the antichrist and Reagan is the 666 beast, which would make either shrub or his daddy the anti-christ.

If the Revelation is true, my guess is the 13 heads with 13 crowns indicates someone who descends from the old royal families of Europe. I'd look for someone with Hapsburg, Plantagenet, Medici, Bourbon heritage-someone with 13 lines of descent from royalty. With families as inbred as them, it shouldn't be too hard to find on either side of the Atlantic.

[rpannier]

36. Actually 666 in Latin is Nero

[theHandpuppet]

73. Ties to royalty (to Kennedy family, by marriage)....

... and old Europe (Austria and the Hapsburg Empire, not to mention familial Nazi connections)... those in league with Satan (the PNACers, bolstered by the followers of false prophets aka evangelicals) set the stage for his rise to power (via changing the Constitution)...

Sounds like Herr Ahnold to me!

[texastoast]

28. I think so . . . check this out

http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/geocities.com/george-bush-antichrist/

[screembloodymurder]

29. He is the prophecy

666 is carved on his tongue that's why he can't talk straight.

[BeHereNow]

33. Good one!

BHN

[BeHereNow]

32. As some of you know from my rants-

There is NO question in my mind and reading of scripture
that GW is the first beast referred to in Rev 13-
Think of his BLASPHEMIES (Isaiah 61) when he spoke
from the boat.
The "wound to his head which appears healed" is
his alcholism.
Revelations is written in metaphor, the same as the
teachings of Jesus are written in parables.
GW is not the anti-christ, he is the one
who sets the stage for the the REAL prince of darkness.
That's when it'll be time to meet the maker-
when the NEXT guy, who "speaks with the
authority" of the first beast (GW) hits the
world stage.
I am watching.
BHN

[hang a left]

53. So you think George is the first who sets the stage for the real guy?

THat is interesting. I wonder how forty and two months fits in? This could mean that maybe by the end of June something happens to George and someone else gets the Presidency. That is spooky!

[molly]

59. Cheney

[hang a left]

65. of course he came first to my mind.

He would be the one that gives the first beast the power. That would mean he was behind the scenes in Florida as we know Jim Baker was.

[hang a left]

66. oh crap wait a minute.

He would have been the one behind the SC decision.......SCALIA!

Meaning Cheney had something to do with the decision.

on edit for clarity

[Tellurian]

72. Yes, you are correct-

"GW is not the anti-christ, he is the one
who sets the stage for the the REAL prince of darkness.
That's when it'll be time to meet the maker-
when the NEXT guy, who "speaks with the
authority" of the first beast (GW) hits the
world stage.

I am watching.

Yes, if one can remember the rules. The Anti-Christ is the antithesis of Jesus. Everything in reverse. Bad is Good, Up is down, etc.

Bush would be the equal of Jesus's precursor, John the Baptist, preparing the way for the messiah/Antichrist. John, while baptizing the masses, gave the multitudes HOPE a new day was coming, propagating a 'love they neighbor' atmosphere and a positive outlook on life..

Bush, OTOH, has at every opportunity, successfully instigated chaos and hatred throughout the world reveling in the turmoil he's created boasting, no end in sight..wrt: "stay the course."

BeHereNow, I'm glad you are watching..keep us posted.

Thanks-

edited a typo...

[BeHereNow]

34. Birth Chart for the Anit-Christ: DU Astologers?

Calling DU astrologers-
Does this fit anyone connected to the shrub?
http://users.netonecom.net/~sos/antichrist.htm
(Found this link a while ago and bookmarked it.)
BHN

[hang a left]

54. oooooh. You should post this in the Meeting Room

Bunch of astrology buffs hang there.

[SpartacusSC]

39. Scares me too... Its way beyond irony.

[mvd]

42. Well, he sure seems like it

:grr:

Bush is about as dumb as Christ was wise. Dumb and arrogant enough to cause chaos and to be used by other bad people. And after all, Bush says he's doing things in the name of "peace." He doesn't fit all the predicted characteristics (born a Jew, convince the world he is Christ (as we know, most of the world doesn't like him,)) but you never know. Never did I think a fundie would do such a good job of describing Bush.

[rpannier]

44. He Acts Like He Thinks He's Christ

He walks around like he thinks he's the new messiah.

[mvd]

45. As I said..

there ARE some striking similarities. :hi:

[pres2032]

46. remember the daily show

John Stewart played the imperial march for Condi Rice.
maybe he knows.

[Cronus Protagonist]

52. Every eschatology support structure requires a defeatable enemy

So that "good" can triumph over "evil" and the ability to thwart death therefore seems more possible - it's the principal basis for the rise and fall of fascism in all human societies and the rise and fall of religions, groups, governments, clubs, investments, companies and all other eschatology schemes.

I wouldn't give this one any more credibility than any other.

[Selwynn]

71. That is so completely untrue...

Just apparently every eschatology structure you're familiar with, which is apparently not many...

[Van Helsing]

55. The Anti-Christ is supposed to be really smart.

I don't think Bush has an ounce of smarts in him.

[Nancy Waterman]

61. The chart fits no one in the administration

But it doesn't matter. Bush clearly is inspired by the Antichrist in one way or another. His false humility, his grandiosity, his killing people while thiking he is the Chosen One, the incredible amount of pandemonium he has created world wide. Really the list is endless. I don't know how anyone could create more trouble for mankind.

[hang a left]

63. Well Nancy, can you derive a birthdate from the chart?

Or a birthplace. I for one, would really appreciate it.

[Az]

62. Just a man

No need to prescribe supernatural powers to him. Everything about him can be answered by grasping for power and ineptitude.

[bobbieinok]

64. in OK heard religious right say Gorbachev was, then Clinton

always someone they intensely disliked who had personal abilities and rapport with people

people who had 'power' that religious right couldn't/wouldn't understand

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

67. How many people have died as a direct result

of the * policy's?

We can estimate so far.

Afghan: At least 3,000!
9/11: At least 3,000!
The Neo-cons/*admin's anti-woman's reproduction rights causes many dangerous abortions. A woman dies every 6 minutes as a result!
Iraq: At least 13,000!

Now you can argue Afghanistan but in light that the shrub could not or would not read/take seriously pdb, one can argue that 9/11 was totally avoidable and so is Afghanistan and of course Iraq.

I dare to think these are anti-Christ numbers!

I read somewhere where the anti-Christ/deceiver actually thinks he's doing the work of God. Sound familiar?

[Stuckinthebush]

68. Nope - Bush is too stupid to be the anti-Christ

He could be one of the anti-Christ's henchmen

[xultar]

69. Bush is creating the Anti-Christ with his Middle East policies...n/t

[IranianDemocrat]

77. Marvin Hamlisch is the anti-christ.

(read franken's book)

[Fuzz]

80. The whole anti-christ thing is just poppycock!

Deal with reality people and not this mystical, prophetic bullshit that can be and has been interpreted in so many insidious ways to manipulate and frighten the masses.

I grew up in an Assemblies of God church, the one Ashcroft belongs to, and everyone was and still is talking about shit like this and though interesting to look at as someone who observes human superstitions and such, it's just ridiculous to give it any credibility.

Anything vague enough as these 'revelations' or Nostradamus's' predictions can be and have been interpreted scores of different ways after an incident or even several incidents and shown as 'proof' of their reliability.

It's bullshit.

But, how do I really feel???? :)

[genius]

81. The Pope thinks Bush is the anti-Christ

Why argue.

[yellowdawgdem]

83. He wore the anti-christ's tie

These biblical prophesies no doubt have truth in them, but the symbolic, allegorical language doesn't translate well for our times. However, Shrubbie's last press conference was filled with fundie code, and he really does seem to be heralding in a new world- at least that is what he keeps alluding to. So, while I don't think he is the anti-christ, I'll lay odds that whoever leant him that tie is beastlike, and worse than that- has really bad taste.