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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:37 PM
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REPOST: Vets and friends of Vets -- read this and get mad
I am reposting this from late last night as it got dumped in the GD crash.
Kindly read all of it and then, like me, contact your representatives.
www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jrhooper.htm
John
Thanks for indulging me on the repost.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:41 PM
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1. Thanks 5th generation dem
:( though thats a sad story
It seems like Captain Hooper was the Audie Murphy of Vietnam. Yet both him and Mr. Murphy never lived to be 50. We need to honor our veterans by providing them with hospitals, the best health care we can get it, and our love and compassion.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:48 PM
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2. John, thank you for reposting this. People need to read it and

learn about Joe Hooper and how neglected our vets have been and are. It's a real outrage. Opposing war doesn't mean opposing those who have served in the military. They are not the ones responsible for bad decisions by Presidents and Pentagon officials. They are the ones who put their lives on the line for us, whether the war itself is right or wrong, and it is criminal that they are forgotten.

Everyone knows Sergeant York and Audie Murphy but I doubt I am the only American who never heard the name Joe Ronnie Hooper before.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:15 PM
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8. I know Audie and Serg York yes
I am pretty sure again Kucinich would be the best on veterans issues. Kerry speaks a great deal on it too, and he knows what war is too. This is one of the many reasons I support DK. http://www.house.gov/kucinich/issues/veterans.htm
His father was a Marine, and he wants to help the vets like the democrats in 1945 did after the war. I know what you mean dembones, I opposed this war and many others, but I respect veterans, they have to endure a living hell and its a shame they got their benefits cut, frankly I think they should be a democratic constiuency.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:48 PM
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3. Every time I see a sign that says "We Support Our Troops"
I ask the people "How? Do you know what the Republicans have done? They have cut haz. duty pay from $250 to $100 per week. They have made it so that returning Guardsmen and Reservists only get 30 day's medical care after they are discharged. They have made it so that military families don't get the child credit that the rich people do." Most people look at me in shock. Then I add, "Write Washington and ask. Ask our Congressman how HE voted . Ask our President why he is shutting down VA hospitals."

And then register to vote and vote these crumbs out! That will truly support our troops!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:54 PM
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4. When are crippled for life Bush says...
"F OFF!!! We got our foot in the middle east, we got MY OIL, and my poll numbers went up!!! Ha, Ha, Ha!!!!

:puke: Shrub
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:56 PM
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5. thanks for posting that.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:11 PM
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6. infuriating
I'm not a vet so I realy can't comment much further. I do have a small taste of what it's like to suffer PTSD from one single violent incident - I can't imagine what combat vets must go through.
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Friar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:12 PM
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7. Vietnam Vet here
That brought tears to my eyes- I had to pretend to yawn.

The disgraceful treatment of veterans at the hands of the fascists has been well documented. "Support Our Troops" Bushite morans piss me off! The neocons consider the Veterans Administration to be a federal welfare program that needs to be eliminated. Fucking traitorous coward assholes is what they are.

I'd like to take my CIB w/bronze star and shove it through their left eyeball and into their brains.

*ahem* Sorry, I feel better now...

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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:22 PM
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9. Army, 1974-76
In the Signal Corps. In Hampton, Virginia (Fort Monroe). The most stress I ever suffered was deciding whether to wear my khakis or my Class A uniform to the Communications Center.
Now, I admit that, at 46, I'd like to have a VA hospital nearby should I need medical attention (have already had one major and one minor heart attack). But I sure didn't do what Joe Ronnie Hooper did and he MORE than earned whatever care and concern we as a nation could give him. Too damned bad he never got it.
Thank you for your service. Welcome home (from a REMF).
John
On the other hand, my family (including an aunt who served 23 years in the USAF) has been in every war this country ever fought save Bush War I (including on both sides in the Revolutionary and Civil wars) and there has NEVER been a draftee.
My nephew Ryan is with the USAF in Kuwait right now.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 11:00 AM
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10. Slamming the Military Doesn't Stop There, Either
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 11:06 AM by RedEagle
Enter, the SERVE military and overseas voting project where our "Patriotic" government will make it possible for servicemen to vote for them via the Internet.

Under the guise of "Partriotism" and "for our overseas troops" the money that could help take care of them has been and is being spent to secure their ability to vote- or so they claim.

It appears government is more than willing to spend on servicemen if it means getting votes.

According to experts, first of all, they are doing everything they shouldn't do if you're even going to contemplate Internet voting, which, as one expert put it, IF it was secure, would be the first secure Internet project in it's entire history, like using PC's for voting and a Microsoft base. This thing is entirely susceptible to insider fraud and hacking, before and after any encryption is applied. The votes go to a server in the Pentagon, then are downloaded to individual counties. (If I were a county doing this, I would never do more with that computer then get the results, and enter them by HAND into the county totals)

The voting engine is provided by Election.com, already hacked in a Canada primary, because they didn't apply patches. This company was majority owned by undisclosed Saudi interests, (Gee, the Saudi's pop up everywhere)then I saw one story about the Saudi's possibly being a front for Yemen interests....Bingo, Saudi's immediately drop out and Accenture buys up their shares.

Accenture is basically doing this. Election.com was partnered with Accenture previously, to "Take care of all your E-voting needs." Accenture is an Authur Anderson spin off, off-shore corporate entitiy, registered in the Bahamas, headed, I believe, by two good ol' Texas boys.

That's right, the votes of our servicemen and overseas citizens is being handled by interests that don't even ante up to pay for the services these fine people do for our country.

This is a complete and utter disgrace, another means of "using" the military in the guise of providing a "patriotic" service.

I've seen Vets eyes cloud over when they discuss this, even the facts described above, because, "Yeh, but they get a means to vote on time..."

Voting is difficult, granted. But you don't use that as an excuse to put votes in jeopardy. The least that could happen is a denial of service attack, where the votes don't get through at all. But the one that really grates, is that the votes will go to servers in the Pentagon, and that tells me Rumsfeld can get his hands on them.

These guys are more than willing to spend billions on this project while neglecting the needs of these fine people once they have done their bit for the country.

You hear about how the military always leans one way in voting, but I'm hearing more and more about the dissent of the troops overseas. For many, there would be no way they'll vote for Bush. For many, if they really want their vote to count, they need to get an FVAP ballot from headquarters or at consulates, if they think one from home won't arrive in time. Not all states do FVAP, but there is another, little known provision that some do, that let them take a blank ballot with them (?) Granted, you probably could only vote for the major issues this way, but better then goodness knows what actually happens to an Internet vote.

By the way, I've read the GAO report relevant sections to this, and it slams the military hierarchy supposedly in charge of making sure servicemen get to vote. I know that there are some, past and present, who have tried everything possible to make voting happen. But there's another side to that too, where some officers just flat out refused. Sad, very sad.

We need to insure the military can vote. ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THERE. But this smells like a set up for the 2004 election. They will just do away with the postmark questions. Speaking of 2004, this project has been sold to states as a "pilot" project. What the heck is a pilot project, that could affect 100,000 - 200,000 votes, doing running in a presidential election?

If I had people in the service overseas, I would tell them not to vote using this project. (And family has had a long history, no one drafted)

It just infuriates me that there is all kinds of federal money to spend on this, while many of us contribute to help disabled vets here at home. My neighbor works with a group that tries to take care of the forgotten ones, many of them in need of psychiatric help, who are just holed up in the foothills somewhere......

They really believe troops are just cannon fodder for their money grubbing ends.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 11:13 AM
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11. buried in the message
was the statement that ironically, "draft dodger" Bill Clinton was the Veterans best friend.

Maybe vets need to be reminded.
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