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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:55 PM
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This 9/11 hearing is helping Bush big time
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 03:30 PM by glarius
Does anyone else agree with me that this 9/11 hearing is helping Bush because it is focusing on dividing blame between Clinton and Bush for not being ready for the 9/11 attack. It's good to find this out but it is taking away attention from the LIES Bush told which resulted in the war on Iraq....We are no longer hearing outrage about the illegal war. .When was the last time we heard "where are the weapons of mass destruction?" from anyone? The Bushies have somehow switched the reason for the war to the noble reason of "liberating" the Iraqi people and I don't hear people questioning that....I have a feeling the Republicans are quite pleased with this hearing because of how it's deverting attention away from the BIG LIE!...Is it just me who feels this? :shrug:

edit---I decided to add this to try to explain how I feel.I've never in my life been so concerned with an American election as I am with this one...My family think I'm obsessed...But for the sake of not only your country, but mine, Canada and the rest of the world, it is absolutely imperative that you elect Kerry and get BUSH OUT!....
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:57 PM
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1. Not to this New Yorker
I see NO evidence of that. In fact, it shows a matter of conduct. He only gives a flip about what Bush wants and any other facts be damned.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:57 PM
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2. I don't agree. It has taken his ability to prance as the war Pres away.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:00 PM
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5. I think it only serves to highlight his poor
decision making and prioritizing. These hearings all day and explosions and more deaths at night on the news are failure in stereo. He's not smelling like a rose now.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:58 PM
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3. Not at all
everything points to the real intelligence failure and that was George Bu$h.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:00 PM
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4. there is a different commission that is investigating Iraq lies
although we haven't heard from them in awhile. :-(
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:00 PM
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6. Absolutely not. The carefully-cultivated image of "Bush The Protector"...
... has been shattered.

Honestly, what the hell else does he have to run on?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:03 PM
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8. Lying about Kerry
seems to be all he's got now.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:18 PM
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14. Rove spent $40 Mil lying about Kerry so far, and all it got him....
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 03:20 PM by VolcanoJen
... was a 7-point Kerry lead, in the new Newsweek Poll.

Man, Rove must be worried. Don't ya love it??

Maybe, out of our sense of charity and goodwill, we should buy Rove a t-shirt:

"I SPENT $40 MILLION ON ATTACK ADS AGAINST KERRY, AND ALL I GOT WAS A 7-POINT DEFICIT, AND THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT."

Sure, it would have to be one BIG t-shirt, but I think that suits Rove, really... we certainly wouldn't want the t-shirt to be ill-fitting. }(
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:08 PM
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12. It's hurting the *
The * administration's first response was "no one could have predicted that they would have used airplanes as weapons" it was the "gasp" heard around the world, the fact that the administration had been taken completely by surprise and no one could have imagined gave them a break. This commission as partisan as it has become shows that there was alot more that they knew that was going on before hand. There complete surprise is no longer believable which makes everything else they said about 9-11 doubtful. It draws critisism to the *'s vacation, his lack of imagination or curiosity and his actions of sitting reading the "goat" story on the morning of 9-11. If it was a surprise his actions could be described as somewhat reasonable and his remark about the "bad pilot" somewhat beleivable, with all that has come out neither one of those actions are remotely beleivable.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:22 PM
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17. It illustrates the way Chimpy has taken advantage of FEAR.
Look, obviously, all Americans were shocked when those planes slammed into the WTC and Pentagon. We never could have imagined it, so they played right along and said "We never could have imagined it, either!!! See, we have SO MUCH in common!!!"

There is only one human being on the planet who benefited from 9/11. His name is George W. Bush.

It's time to crush that myth.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:03 PM
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7. It's only April. There are months to go before the election.
Lots of time to uncover all kinds of * disasters.

The main point that is emerging is this: Chimpy's team has done EVERYTHING badly. They have no successes anywhere. The economy, invasion of Iraq, effort to find OBL, "homeland security," environment, health care, technology, gas prices - everything, everything they've touched is a disaster.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:24 PM
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19. Cut Chimpy some slack!!! I actually loved the No-Call List!!!!
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 03:25 PM by VolcanoJen
Other than that... um, what exactly has he done in four years???

Every time I ask a Repub Buddy this question, they stiffen up, and take on expressions similar to the ones we're seeing from Ashcroft this afternoon...
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:03 PM
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9. i don't think it is helping him
first of all, no matter how well they manage to spread the blame between the two admins, 9/11 DID happen on pinhead's watch, and the memos and proof coming out at how blatantly they ignored all the warnings creates further erosion of their credibility and ability to lead and protect. by all i see and am hearing, this admin has a growing credibility gap which the 9/11 hearings is helping to widen. iraq is a whole 'nother kettle of fish which makes them look increasingly inept. people ARE talking. the media wants to divert our attention and smoothe things over, but from what i am hearing, they are also losing their credibility.

if we have a fair election (and that is indeed a BIG IF) the "worst president ever" is gone and so are his evil sycophants and handlers.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:03 PM
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10. don't worry, there's time enough for the Iraq lies to come out
This commission is clearly not ideal, having been appointed by the White House itself. But it has forced this issue into the headlines, thereby diverting attention away from what Rove wants to be focusing on and forcing Shrub to spend lots of time and energy dealing with these issues.

plus I think that coming out of this Bush will be down at least a few notches and so won't be able to run quite so clearly as a foreign policy genius.

And once this commission ends, then there's the whole runup to Iraq issue that can be in the news later in the campaign season, again taking aim at Bush's claims to be great on security etc.

I don't think this is helping him. I think much more of the truth should come out -- in which case he would be doomed -- and in that sense what's happening is not ideal, but it's not a plus for him.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:03 PM
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11. I pray you are all right.....It is important to the whole world to elect
Kerry in November...We up here in Canada are watching your election with our hearts in our mouths....I just feel like less is being focused on Bush's Iraq lies....:)
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:10 PM
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13. Glaringly wrong, glarius.
Bush's negligence in allowing 9/11 to happen undercuts his already weak and dishonest authority for invading Iraq in the first place.

And as an issue, 9/11 is bigger than Iraq on it's own.

I agree that the pathetic attempt by the 9/11 Coverup Commission to spread responsibility to Clinton is muddying the water a little, but not that much. The media is doing their best to help in saying it was everybody's fault, therefore not Bush's so much, but all the facts point otherwise.

In fact, it is the recent, aggressive operations in Iraq that are taking away from the extremely damaging exposure of BushCo's 9/11 negligence.

Don't worry, the war will be back to center stage shortly and 9/11 negligence will simmer for a while.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:20 PM
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15. So what are you saying?
Are you saying you don't care about intel laxes leading to 9/11?
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:23 PM
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18. No....I guess I didn't explain what I mean very well
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 03:26 PM by glarius
Of course it's important....I just meant that it seems to me that the Iraq lies Bush told are getting pushed aside because of the attention put on these 9/11 hearings, and that is helping him....Nobody else here seems to agree with me so I hope you are all right and I'm wrong...:)
edit---I've never in my life been so concerned with an American election as I am with this one...My family think I'm obsessed...But for the sake of not only your country, but mine, Canada and the rest of the world, it is absolutely imperative that you elect Kerry and get BUSH OUT!....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:30 PM
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22. we had a good strong week of info on iraq
and now we are back to hammering on 9/11 adn iraq will soon come back it has not gone away. just for this moment. all these are going to beat bush down. and iraq in reality is the issue cause it is deaths that is happening now. this is a two prong, wait til the plume, then it will be three prong, we can do the all at once, bush being hit on every side
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:21 PM
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16. I have always felt that the 9/11 hearings shouldn't involve
any of the Clinton administration. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, not Clinton's.
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cmayer Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:26 PM
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20. No. It's hurting. It just takes a while to sink in.
They all have told so many lies, that they are getting completely screwed up. Those lies can be replayed again and again. Some of it will sink in.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:28 PM
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21. No. Iraq will still be a mess after the 9/11 hearings
but his ability to convince the 'Murkin people that it ISN'T a mess will be severely crippled by the hits on his credibility that the 9/11 hearings are delivering.

Bottom line, I think the hearings now will make Iraq news later WORSE for bush, 'cause people won't be so willing to cut him some slack.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:32 PM
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23. In fact
MSNBC just broke in a bit ago saying they found 4 American "civilian" bodies buried in a shallow grave. Both of these can go at once. Americans can multi-task.
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