Around 770 Die in Recent Iraq Fighting

[G_j]

this is so F*&%ing sick...


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/041304D.shtm

Around 770 Die in Recent Iraq Fighting
By Hamza Hendawi
The Associated Press

Monday 12 April 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq - About 70 U.S.-led coalition troops and 700 Iraqi insurgents have been killed in fighting across Iraq since April 1, but there is no authoritative figure on Iraqi civilian deaths, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Monday.

By an Associated Press count, at least 62 U.S. troops, two non-U.S. coalition soldiers and around 882 Iraqis have been killed across the country since April 4, including in Fallujah.

Hospital director Rafie al-Issawi said most of the 600 dead in Fallujah were women, children and elderly. But he refused to give their exact numbers, saying that doing so would suggest that the remaining dead - young, military-aged men - were all insurgents, which he said was not the case.

Al-Issawi told AP that the number was compiled from registries of bodies received by the Fallujah General Hospital and four main clinics. The registries had names or - in unidentified cases - the gender and description of the bodies, he said.


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[oasis]

4. You're correct, Iraqi's wouldn't be so rude as to repel their liberators.

[RapidCreek]

8. What against three year olds?

Yea I gotta admit them 3 year old insurgents are a pretty terrifying lot.

How can you guarantee that? Got some facts to back that statement up? Of course not....you don't like facts.

It's hard to tell how many thugs have been imported? No it isn't hard at all. The US has imported roughly 20,000 private armed thugs at present. They're there to threaten Iraqis who take offense at US carper baggers pirating their country.

Sorry chief but if China invaded your town...I'd hazard to guess you might take exception. If you were any kind of real American you'd grab your gun and kill as many of the fuckers as you could. Then again maybe you wouldn't...maybe you'd go commie, stand around and make idiotic excuses for them when they killed your neighbors wife and kid. Tell me, what would you do.

RC

Seeya

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[RapidCreek]

21. Why are they thugs? They're patriotic Iraqi's who believe they are

Defending they're homeland. And they are...from Bush's carpet bagging sponsors....

What, you work for Kellogg Browne and Root or Bechtel? Yea I'm calling the twenty thousand mercenaries in Iraq Thugs...Yep...I am....and I can, you see...because unlike you I'm a Veteran and my life was endangered by the actions of mercenary thugs when I was in the service...was yours? No I'm not calling our soldiers thugs...nor do I appreciate them being used as such...because people like you aren't informed enough to realize that is what they are being used for...and haven't the fortitude to stand up and demand that it STOP. I don't sit around spouting smarmy shit about how wonderfully patriotic it is that they are dying so Haliburton can make some bread. I think it sucks...I think it is wrong. I believe it is absolutely heinous that they are being ordered into an impossible situation while people like you wave your flags and clap your hands.

Which network would that be? They've all been removed from Feluja. Or has that escaped you?

What if your leader were George Bush and he used your tax dollars and the lives of your sons and daughters to promote the interests of his carpet bagging pals? Carpet baggers who don't pay taxes themselves...whose sons and daughters are attending Yale?

What if your president was Saddam Hussein and you were used to his henchmen raping your wife and daughter? Would you welcome foreigners invading your country and blowing your wife and daughter into steaming piles of guts to save them? How about your mother and father, aunt and uncle, brothers and sisters. Guess you would...you see the relatives and friends of the 10 to 20 thousand civilians killed by our soldiers in Iraq aren't like you though. They believe it is their country right or wrong. They believe it is their country to clean up and to organize...not yours and not anyone else's.

It's empty headed, self righteous, greedy, ignorant flag wavers who are getting our troops killed....because it's empty headed, self righteous, greedy, ignorant flag wavers who are responsible for putting them in harms way for no reason. If it were up to me they'd be here, raising families, going to college and living good christian lives.

RC

[ComerPerro]

9. If by "those who hate freedom" you mean Bush, Cheney, et. al

Then you are right.

Because, face it.

The entire administration hates freedom, and they in fact are the ones putting our boys in harms way.

[otohara]

2. Today Jr. Called Them "Gangs"

I swear instead of addressing the truth and some sort of solution, all they do is call the Iraqi's names.

[Dark]

3. The link didn't work for me.

But from what I can read, it's still disturbing.

[G_j]

28. sorry try this

At Least 76 U.S. Troops Die in Iraq This Month
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/041304A.shtml

[G_j]

29. oops.. THIS is the link

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/041304D.shtml

[On the Road]

5. This is a Large Civilian Massacre

Dropping anti-personnel bombs from aircraft in a crowded urban neighborhood? I can't believe the entire administration can sit there and defend it.

I also can't believe how people in this country can take the attitude that we're out to help the world. America is an extremely callous and vengeful place.

[Panelboy]

6. 6 of 7 innocent civilians? eh... not likely.

The only way you could get numbers like that is if you deliberately targeted civilians... and that just isn't what's happening there. Civilian casualties - certainly - but not that many.

[anarchy1999]

7. 300 to 400 women, children and elderly have been reported.

Do your homework. I've been getting angrier all day. Everytime I see 700 insurgents killed on CNN my blood pressure edges up another notch. I know by morning I will hit the red-line.

More civilians than anyone else have been killed and or injured in the last week and 1/2.

Please also let us not forget the other dead and injured. When will they start including the numbers of contractors and civil servants, journalists, and persons from other countries. When will they start to flash the actual wounded numbers?

Be careful of what you speak, Panelboy, until you do your homework.

[Panelboy]

11. Ok...

I don't see the need to 'careful' when expression my opinion... I just don't see how you can validate those numbers. If it helps, maybe avoid CNN? :)

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[RapidCreek]

10. the fact is you don't know what the numbers are

No one does...except the guys on burial detail at that soccer field. Why does no one know? Because the US military has forced all media to leave the area. Why would they do that unless they don't want the truth to be told? There is no other reason. Even a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing idiot could figure that out.

RC

[anarchy1999]

20. As far as I know AlJazeera is still there - did I miss something.

In addition, a very reputable source has been reporting from Iraq and was in Fallujah on the 11th.

www.empirenotes.org

Rahul is an immpecable resource. He is in a very dangerous place right now. He is being encouraged to leave by close friends and associates.

[RapidCreek]

22. Last I heard they're hunting Al Jazeera down to boot them out as well

and mark my words...if they haven't yet...they will. That or they'll accidently drop a bomb on them.

RC

[anarchy1999]

25. God help all of us if our "forces" take out the only media left

in this town, and if they do, god help all of us, if we let "them" get away with it. I honestly can not believe I am living through this again. This just can not be happening. We all, globally, have lived through too much and we have fought too hard. This is just some incredible nightmare we can not wake up from. Neo Cons be damned!

[RapidCreek]

24. I'm not disagreeing with you I'm telling our good buddy

Panelboy that he doesn't know what the numbers are...since he discounts those which have been given and has offered none that he feels to be accurate in turn. Thus far those which have been supplied I shall assume are accurate....and those would be the ones you pointed to.

RC

[anarchy1999]

26. I never thought you were disagreeing. Thanks though.

n/t

PanelBoy needs an education IMHO. Sorry. Thanks for your input.

[On the Road]

15. I Don't Understand

the belief that it would have been necessary to deliberately target civilians. US aircraft dropped cluster bombs in a heavily populated area. The bombs spray bomblets which scatter all over the place before exploding and killing or maiming everyone within range.

How would you NOT get massive civilian casualties? How would civilians even escape when the city is surrounded and blockaded? I don't know the exact proportions -- no one does. It's not really the issue.

It's immaterial if the civilians sympathize with the insurgents. It's immaterial whether or not they somehow attempt to discourage or control them, as some people seem to be arguing. They are noncombatants and are not legitimate targets. Indiscriminate killing of noncombatants is a war crime.

[Aidoneus]

13. incorrect on two fronts

the dead from recent massacres are not primarily "insurgents" (the herd mentality of the media is sickening), and the number is actually well over a thousand martyred (as a low-end estimate). Mr. Kimmett has shown himself to be a lying bastard who should be run out town on a rail (putting it kindly).

[Panelboy]

16. Speaking of homework

The US military drops cluster bombs in civilian areas? That's a pretty harsh accusation. Please post a source; I'd like to check it out.

[Aidoneus]

19. the truth is often harsh, that charge included

Researching the subject is actually quite simple.. it has happened often enough so as to have a choice to pick from.

[ex_jew]

17. Why no war crimes tribunal for Mr. Kimmitt ?

[Aidoneus]

18. I believe the phrase is "Victor's Justice"

(who this Victor guy is, I don't know.. instinctively dislike him)

When Kimmitt is not on the side of the victors, then his sort will have their day.

[anarchy1999]

23. Cripes - this attack is not for real is it?

"Why no war crimes tribunal for Mr. Kimmit?"

You've got to be kidding.

I am so sorry for those of you who can not see the harm and the damage being inflicted on Iraq.

Who are you ex_jew? What do you believe in? What is with the tag ex_jew? Just curious.

[anarchy1999]

27. "Oh Brother" just came to mind.

Out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered. Beautiful image. Can we also please put Bremer on that rail.?