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topdog08 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:57 PM
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Bush explains: I only read page one
Edited on Mon Apr-12-04 12:34 AM by topdog04
As shown in this copy of the document, the August 6th PDB was a page and a half. I would be very curious to know if the second page was printed on the back of the first, or if they were two pages stapled together. Regardless, I believe I have conclusive proof to explain the main reason that Bush was unable to take any action to attempt to prevent 9/11. He didn't realize there was a second page.

As you may recall, he was vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas at the time. In fact, it is possible that his aide read the report to him. In that case, the real blame could be placed on the aide, but it was addressed to Bush. I guess you could also blame the guy who laid out the report that way, with the important stuff at the end, under "nevertheless" instead of at the top of the page. Either way, it is pretty obvious that Bush never read these paragraphs on page two:

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the US that it considers Bin Ladin-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our Embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of Bin Ladin supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives.


If he was, or is, aware those paragraphs are in the report, shouldn't it have been a clear indication to him that Bin Laden was looking to strike a visible building in New York City, and use methods that could include explosives or even a hijacking? It does everything but connect the dots and explain that the explosives could be the hijacked aircraft themselves. The obvious course of action, if you receive information that Osama Bin Laden is planning to hijack a plane, would be to beef up airport security, not abandon the air marshall program, and make sure the FBI, FAA, CIA, INS and defense department are all on the same page, working together to prevent a potential hijacking. He didn't. Instead, all Bush says now is that if he knew the time or place of an attack he would have "moved mountains" to prevent it. Well, it's good to know he can move mountains, but I'd have just been happy if he turned the fucking page. It said right there: New York. He must not have seen it. How else could he say:

Q Mr. President, could you tell us, did you see the presidential -- the President's Daily Brief from August of '01 as a warning --

THE PRESIDENT: Did I see it? Of course I saw it; I asked for it.

Q No, no, I'm sorry -- did you see it as a warning of hijackers? And how did you respond to that?

THE PRESIDENT: My response was exactly like then as it is today, that I asked for the Central Intelligence Agency to give me an update on any terrorist threats. And the PDB was no indication of a terrorist threat. There was not a time and place of an attack. It said Osama bin Laden had designs on America. Well, I knew that. What I wanted to know was, is there anything specifically going to take place in America that we needed to react to?

As you might recall, there was some specific threats for overseas that we reacted to. And as the President, I wanted to know whether there was anything, any actionable intelligence. And I looked at the August 6th briefing, I was satisfied that some of the matters were being looked into. But that PDB said nothing about an attack on America. It talked about intentions, about somebody who hated America -- well, we knew that.

Yes, Dave.

Q Just to follow up on that, Mr. President. There was, in that PDB, specific information about activity that may speak to a larger battle plan, even if it wasn't specific. So I wonder if you could say what specifically was done, and do you think your administration should have done anything more?

THE PRESIDENT: David, look, let me just say it again: Had I known there was going to be an attack on America, I would have moved mountains to stop the attack. I would have done everything I can. My job is to protect the American people. And I asked the intelligence agency to analyze the data to tell me whether or not we faced a threat internally, like they thought we had faced a threat in other parts of the world. That's what the PDB request was. And had there been actionable intelligence, we would have moved on it.

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to in the PDB, but if you're referring to the fact that the FBI was investigating things, that's great, that's what we expect the FBI to do.

Q Wasn't that current threat information? That wasn't historical, that was ongoing.

THE PRESIDENT: Right, and had they found something, they would have reported it to me. That's -- we were doing precisely what the American people expects us to do: run down every lead, look at every scintilla of intelligence, and follow up on it. But there was -- again, I can't say it as plainly as this: Had I known, we would have acted. Of course we would have acted. Any administration would have acted. The previous administration would have acted. That's our job.

Q Are you satisfied, though, that each agency was doing everything it should have been doing?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, that's what the 9/11 Commission should look into, and I hope it does. It's an important part of the assignment of the 9/11 Commission. And I look forward to their recommendations, a full analysis of what took place. I am satisfied that I never saw any intelligence that indicated there was going to be an attack on America -- at a time and a place, an attack. Of course we knew that America was hated by Osama bin Laden. That was obvious. The question was, who was going to attack us, when and where, and with what. And you might recall the hijacking that was referred to in the PDB. It was not a hijacking of an airplane to fly into a building, it was hijacking of airplanes in order to free somebody that was being held as a prisoner in the United States.

Okay, thank you all. Happy Easter to everybody. Thank you.


Either he is deliberately mistating the facts, or he never read the whole report.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:00 AM
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1. too many "difficult" words....
Edited on Mon Apr-12-04 12:01 AM by mike_c
I'll bet Bush's eyes glaze over EVERTHING following a "nevertheless!"

Edit: See Osama run. Run Osama run! Condi will get you! Uncle Dick will get you! Bad Osama!
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:00 AM
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2. "My response was exactly like then as it is today,"
Case closed!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:02 AM
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3. did they release the whole document?
did they release the whole document? someone posted earlier today that the original was 11 pages and they only released 2 pages.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:02 AM
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4. didnt we establish 11.5 pgs
so which of the almost 12 pages did he read
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topdog08 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:34 AM
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13. can you link to the source on 11.5 pages?
For those of us who don't have DU search capabilities and can't find the thread you are talking about. Can someone either link to the thread or a relavent news article on this? I keep reading that 1.5, not 11.5, pages are what was presented directly to Bush.
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 11:36 PM
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26. Here
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:04 AM
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5. You are seriously scaring me.
Edited on Mon Apr-12-04 12:05 AM by Kagemusha
I've heard rumors to the effect of, 'Don't send anything over a page to the President, he won't read it' and that 3/4ths of a page was preferred because he simply wouldn't be interested in reading anything longer than that. If it wasn't distilled to great brevity it wasn't worth his while or.. something.

So I stare at your post, and I wonder.

On edit: It's Rice's job (at leas under THIS President) to cut the full briefing down to that one page. That is what she does. That is what she's asked to do... I have read this in newspapers...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:09 AM
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6. yes this as discussed here
sometime sunday. he didn`t like to read so they condensed everything down to one to two pages and filled him in orally on the fine points
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:23 AM
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7. Are there any records of what he was really told?...
Is that a question that post-Nixon, is valid to ask? Or are Presidents too 'smart' to be exposed? Or is it just covered up by executive privilege for all eternity, and we're not entitled to know if the full briefing was told to him?...

And btw - I've just read that the FBI is totally shocked at this stuff about field stations and 70 ongoing Al Qaeda investigations. It's news to them, they say. Wow.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:30 AM
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11. don`t know-there should be
but we will never see them or hear them. hell lbj had tapes of conversations with jackie after kennedy was killed and conversations to his tailor about adjusting his slacks bigger in the crouch because of his nutsack needed more room...the tapes are really funny. but we will never hear anything from bush whitehouse.
haven`t heard the fbi stuff yet,something to read tomorrow...
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:24 AM
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8. Methinks he doth protest too much...
Had I known there was going to be an attack on America, I would have moved mountains to stop the attack. I would have done everything I can.

...

Had I known, we would have acted. Of course we would have acted. Any administration would have acted.


He keeps repeating this "had I known about an attack" bit. Nobody there asked him about "knowing about an attack," they just asked him about how he viewed the PDB. Why does he keep bringing up this "had I known about an attack" thing?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:25 AM
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9. Because he's spinning to downplay the PDB?
Even Bill Schneider seems to think it's a smoking gun..
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:30 AM
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12. I think he was told to say that "Had I known" shit
He covering his ass but it still smells to high sewers.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 06:13 PM
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16. I agree. I think he has used it several times and I expect he will use it
again and again. Probably came out of a focus group.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:17 PM
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19. "Had I known" don't cut it. Thats all they got to throw at us.
Them Wannabee Pub "Quarterbacks"? They wanna play First String so much they cheat for the position,

Then they fumble the friggen ball.

He got the Play in the DPB(Re Alert Level for Terrorist Attack)) and didn't tell all of us.

Instead only the running backs knew. Linemen and Recievers were left standing at the line.

Some kind of Quarterback we got.(Football lingo OFF)

Is he that lazy he did not read all of it? Did he comprehend it? The severity of it?

Bottom line: He knew and ran with the ball not telling us the full story. What a Prez we got. Gambled with our lives and treasure.

And its us who loses not him....

except he will go down in history as the Prez who wouldn't tell the People of "Incoming?"

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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 11:19 PM
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24. The Magic Morphing Truth Machine
Here's the key phrase. It's similar to one Rice used; it's the one we're going to hear over and over:

"There was not a time and place of an attack."

It's the same technique used to link Saddam with 9/11. You say, in close proximity "Saddam" (which has nothing to do with anything) and 9/11 (which is obvious in its implications). Repeat and repeat, and pretty soon everybody knows the two are connected, even though they've never said it.

Here, there's a twist: The true statement is "we didn't know the precise date and time." That arguably makes "we couldn't have done anything" sort of marginally true. But what they're counting on is the public passing over the first, which is sort of mumbled, and a little complicated, and latching onto the firm statement, "We did everything we could."

The true statement is "We could do nothing to stop the 9/11 attacks, because they didn't announce the date, time and targets."

The intended message is, "We did everything we could."

Watch the sympathy numbers start to rise as that message is pounded into the American brain by the incessant drumbeat of the complicit media.
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topdog08 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:28 AM
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10. minor correction: it was the 6th not the 1st
I got the date wrong. Note sure about the 11.5 page comments. I did notice the words "continued" at the bottom of the first page. Could see how Bush might miss that, however. Probably next to the footer.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:41 AM
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14. god he's such an idiot. He just doesn't get it, does he?
Let's think about this.

Did George Bush even KNOW that it was his job to lead?

Did Condi, who had no actual governmental experience, her only experience being in academia, even KNOW that the FBI and the CIA weren't allowed to talk to each other?

Was she even aware of the difference between the two?

Did she have any CLUE that it was her job to actually show some leadership and make sure that the information channeled from one agency to another THROUGH HER?

I'm really starting to think that these people are just staggeringly stupid, incompetent, and ego-driven.

And now they're going down in flames.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:54 PM
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15. he wanted one-page summaries when he was Governor
"His leadership style is similarly direct. Although he insists "the details are important," Bush freely admits that he prefers one-page memos to bound treatises, oral briefings to long meetings. "


http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1999/11/08/bush.homework.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 06:31 PM
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17. Does Bush look like hell or what?
They just showed him on The News Hour stumbling over what he was trying to say as if he couldn't quite remember what he was saying. I think his failures are starting to take a toll on him. What if he has a breakdown before November? Then we'd have Cheney. Sometimes the devil you know.....
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 06:41 PM
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18. I'll say it one more time
When he was running in 2000 there were all these reports of how he did the job of govenor of Texas. One of the points made by many publications was that EVERYTHING (no matter how important) had to be summarized on one page or he would not read it. Meetings had to be 15 minutes or he could not stay focus. I said before here--why the hell isn't this well documented fact brought in as part of not only 9/11 but all his 'info' on Iraq. This is what happens when we have a total fucking moron put into the Oval Office. Of course he didn't change...nothing of his "routine" did from his bedtime to his workouts.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:19 PM
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20. Molly Ivans warned us in the Summer of 2000
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:21 PM
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21. Reading the entire report would require effort,
something Dubyass' past shows he doesn't like to put forth.
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:24 PM
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22. And nobody has moved to impeach this dude yet?
Americans are truly amazing.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:49 PM
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23. Again, this is the guy who had the warning and he failed us by
keeping it to himself and his friends.

No wonder he needs such a large campaign war chest....he is "damaged goods" trying to make others look even worse..but its not working. the shit is on HIM not anyone else.

Fact, he had the warning, Look at his answers, sounds like he didn't read the whole thing or he didn't comprehend the seriousness. Then off he went on vacation for a whole month.

Or, it was LIHOP thinking it would be a small attack.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 11:35 PM
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25. Yeah, Page 1 of the NY POST
Big letters, small attention-span.
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