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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:48 AM
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is impeachment still a ridiculous notion?
lots of democrats instantly poo poo any notion of even bothering to point out the obvious qualifiers for articles of impeachment, and criminal acts of treason, and war crimes committed thus far by bushco.

is it too late? presidents can be impeached even after they are out of office. is it pointless revenge and a masturbatory waste of time?

i mean afterall, he who's name cannot be mentioned from the 'previous administration' was impeached and assasinated politically for merely trying to hide his extra marital indiscretion.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:50 AM
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1. I am ready for impeachment hearings...I will pop the popcorn
and make some appetizers...you bring the wine and we will have a party!

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:51 AM
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2. impeachment
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 10:52 AM by leftofthedial
and imprisonment

are in order

in fact, I think we need a purge of neocons.

the conspiracy and treason reaches so far and wide in this sick, cancerous movement that it needs to be excised.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:52 AM
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3. not ridiculous, but academic
the republicans have already shown they're committed to covering up for the president, by blocking every investigation, so there's no way they're going to impeach.

I think the republicans are going to pay for that,by the way. I think they haven't grasped the extent to which Bush is the Worst President Ever.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:55 AM
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9. This administration may end up killing the republican party.
they neocons may have let hubris lead them down a path to destruction.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:54 AM
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25. I think the Republican party needs to be killed. No republicans
are worthy of public service. To a one they are content to allow lies to get us into war, they are content to conduct an unprovoked invasion of a disarmed nation which violates our Constitution, they are willing to cover up for every proven lie that comes out of the White House. They are primarily immoral scoundrels and con artists. Their party is ethically dead.
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:52 AM
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4. although it is what Bush deserves, it will never happen
The house needs to start the impeachment process, and it is controlled by the Republicans.
Bush will never be impeached.

Lupita
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:53 AM
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5. We need to start a petition drive (offline)
and special deliver the petitions to the Judiciary Committee with a reporter in toe.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:53 AM
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6. If and when we remove bush from office
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 10:59 AM by Bluzmann57
He should be brought up on charges of treason and about 600 counts of first degree murder. He knew that soldiers were(are) being sent to Iraq to die for oil and bushco power, but sent them anyway. While I am not a lawyer(nor do I play one on tv), that sounds like pre-meditation to me. Therefore, first degree murder. And he sold out the best interests of the USA, so treason.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:53 AM
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7. No, it isn't
And the only real argument against it (Republican controlled congress) is fading, because * is losing support in congress too, with all the stuff going on in Iraq. With a little more time, there might be enough people in congress to support impeachment.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:01 AM
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11. Impeachment would destroy the party -- OURS
Americans are sick to death of the impeachment game. It hurt their side last time. This time it would kill us.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:30 AM
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22. You have a point
I think that the impeachment of Clinton circus pissed off a lot of people, and they'd just shut down at the mention of the word. However, some of this could (maybe) be avoided by explaining exactly why this is going on. Of course, that would take an unbiased media...
This situation is ridiculous. The last impeachment was the show trial, not this one if it happens. That should count.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:55 AM
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8. actual impeachment will never happen; but, CALLING for impeachment ...
might work wonders.

as long as people are talking 'impeachment', it undermines bush's authority and damages his re(s)election chances.

but don't go thinking it'll actually ever happen, not with these jackals in control of congress.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:29 AM
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21. I couldn't agree more
I think that realistically it would never happen...the support simply isn't there in the Congress.

But man, wouldn't a headline like "Impeachment considered over President's lack of response to terror threat" be cool?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:59 AM
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10. Yes. Congress won't do it, and as far as your "merely" clinton comment...
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 11:01 AM by Selwynn
There is no one there who will support it. If you're asking whether or not Bush should be impeached, of course he "should" be. But it is ridiculous to think that he will be with this particular congress.

"for merely trying to hide his extra marital indiscretion."

Don't fucking white wash clinton's actions. He didn't "merely" do something. He bold faced lied to the American Public, and then lied under other - I don't give a fuck what the subject matter was about. His wormy rationalizations trying to spin how he didn't lie under oath were a bunch of bullshit. He had an affiar with an intern, and then used the power of his office illicitly to try to cover that up. I despise lies when Bush does them, I despise likes with Clinton did them.

(edit - I don't know where the clinton comments went.. must have gotten edited, oh well.)
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:05 AM
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15. Not the biggest Clinton fan, but I disagree
I don't think he used the "power of his office" to cover up Lewinsky -- he just lied when asked about it. Nor was he accused of abusing the "power of his office" to get Ms. L. on her knees in the first place.

The Republicans in congress abused the power of their offices pursuing a trivial lie instead of addressing matters of national concern. They spent time they were supposed to be using to improve our country to crawl through people's underwear drawers.

Many, many public officials have sexual secrets -- I don't think the public discussion of these secrets equates to effective governing.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:09 AM
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16. I agree about congress, but I don't excuse lieing ...
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 11:10 AM by Selwynn
..not to the american pulbic, not under oath. I'm not saying he should have been impeached, he clearly should not have. But I also don't like trying to "poo-pooh" the wrong that he did.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:27 AM
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20. BJ = phony war? Silly exhibition of moral equivalence.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:01 AM
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12. Well if he leaves should we just indict
Don't you think? I mean, he is a criminal, isn't he? Is it too late to impeach?



http://www.wgoeshome.com
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:25 AM
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19. Yeah
duh
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:04 AM
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13. I do think we have to to at least call for it
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 11:06 AM by rocknation
now that there is no longer any doubt that Bush's actions are impeachable. In other words, what can we voters do to force the issue--threaten Repubs who don't go along with being voted out? If lying about a sexual indiscretion is no good, how can anyone possibly look the other way about this?

:headbang:
rocknation
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:04 AM
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14. Moveon.org is now sponsoring Petitions for Bush Censure..
Sign the Petition. I trust that moveon has a method to their madness, and does their homework on this sort of thing.

It is a beginning step in the movement to hold Bush White House publicly accountable.

http://www.moveon.org/front/

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:11 AM
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17. It's time to put the "I" word out there!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 11:21 AM by rocknation
On the subject of Kerry's "liars and crooks" remark, one journalist wrote, "Kerry put the 'L' word out there." Now he's ahead in the polls without having having to say anything critical of Bush--unfolding events are proving him right. We need to do the same thing with the "I" word--INVESTIGATE! INDICT! IMPEACH! Did you hear that, Air America and International Answer?

:headbang:
rocknation
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:23 AM
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18. god forbid. . .
* gets reselected by virtue of BBV's only. . .if impeachment was to occur. . .we'd end up with "dipstick" cheney. . .nothing would change.

John Dean & Nadar have both declared the follies of this misadministration as high crimes and misdemeanors and called for impeachment. I agree though think it would be better and more expedient to hold fair elections and vote them out. Then send them to the Hague.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:42 AM
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24. Call for Censure and Impeachment goes to the history books..
It goes to documenting the attempts of the American MAJORITY, that proper steps were taken in the protection of our own Democracy.

This should follow the Bush W H forever in the journals and history books . It would document the lying criminal acts, the negligence and the cover ups. It will document who was at the helm in the WH and scholars forever will discuss and research the secrecy of the Bush years. It is necessary documentation for future generations, discredits the Bush WH, and as more of this Bush-Cheney-Rovian shadow government is revealed through the years, Censure/impeachment documents will be public record.

The Bush team SHOULD NOT be allowed to leave the White House without documentation of their criminal acts.
Whether Bush is actually "impeached" or not, is yet to be seen.
The fact that the attempt is made and WHY it is being made, needs to be there.

MoveOn.org has taken that step to documentation.. Please Sign the Petition...Thanks http://www.moveon.org/front/
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:33 AM
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23. Investigate!
Indict! Impeach! IMPRISON!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 12:08 PM
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27. Whoops, missed the most important "I" word
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 12:09 PM by rocknation
How imbarrassing.

;)
rocknation
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 11:56 AM
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26. Somebody mentioned the other day court-martial
He is the commander in chief, remember.
If impeachment is ruled out, why not this?
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