Am I the only only Janeane is annoying with her insulting...

[DarkPhenyx]

...comments about rednecks and hillbillies? Nice way to bring people over to our side. Yeah.

[DenverDem]

1. Your avatar is insulting to morans.

Way to piss off the morans, dude.

[DarkPhenyx]

12. Avoiding the question?

C'mon man.

[DenverDem]

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Shouldn't you still be debunking the picture of the soldier and the kids? Or taking some other contrarian stand on some other thread?

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[DarkPhenyx]

137. Thank you!

It's good to see that my efforts are appreciated. It is so hard sometimes to be the voice of wisdom and vision. It's worth the effort though.

[buycitgo]

2. yes, you are!

signed,

the Shiflett famblee

Paintbank, VA

[DarkPhenyx]

14. So you are comfortable being bigoted...

...and pissing off a large portion of the electorate which we are going to need to win back the WH.

[buycitgo]

27. sure! you comfortable having ZERO sense of humor?

[DarkPhenyx]

65. It wasn't a joke.

It was an insult.

[buycitgo]

93. as I said, there's this thing called a sense of humor.....try it out!

you might live longer

[DarkPhenyx]

96. Do you tell everyone who takes offense to an insulting term

to get a sense of humor? Just curious.

[buycitgo]

107. sure!

so insult me

I won't cry like a little GIRL!

touch my monkey!

edit: I just realized.....by Jeff Foxworthy's definition, I MIGHT be a redneck, timew TWO:

you MIGHT be a redneck if you have a TV set on TOP of a TV set that doesn't work.

we have TWO of those

so lay off, bubba

[DarkPhenyx]

112. You are assuming I'm offended.

I'm not. I'm annoyed. We can't afford this kind of stupidity. Not from our "voices". Not when the fight is going to be this close.

[buycitgo]

118. I never assume......you know what happens when you assume........

you make an ass out of Uma Thurman

now.......

why don't you relax, take a drive, watch some NASCAR

[DarkPhenyx]

124. Don't like NASCAR.

That is also a sterotype.

[sangha]

95. So you complain about insults

while dishing them out?

Nice little racket. How's it working out for you?

[DarkPhenyx]

97. I complain about someone from our side with a "loud" voice...

...damaging our chance in the next election by insulting a portion of the population we are going to need to win.

[buycitgo]

102. are we eating our own? want to see some REAL fun?

should I start a 'NASCAR fans are moranic rednecks' thread?

that'll spread faster than a Clinton rumor at a truckstop

reason I said that is cause I listened to that nationwide trucker radio show for ONE minute the other night, and some REDNECK hauler called in and said the TWO worst things in the world were, ONE: Hilary (no last name), and TWO: drunk truckers; he sounded pretty loaded, btw

[ParanoidPat]

122. "pissing off a large portion of the electorate"?

Sorry but I'm here ROFLMFAO picturing all of the 'redneck hillbillies' in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Portland and Minneapolis tearing up the DSL lines with their computers cruising the KKK.com forums listening to Air America! :crazy:

Yep, losing such a 'large' portion of the electorate we're DOOMED! DOOMED I TELLS YA! :eyes:

:scared:DOOMED!:evilfrown:

[DarkPhenyx]

132. You are like most posting here.

You understand so very little about this topic. Sad. Very, very, sad.

[ParanoidPat]

174. What's not to understand?

I grew up one of 11 children in a poor, single income household in New York City. I moved to Lewiston, Maine for a year, lived in the hills of Summertown Tennessee for four years and had my children delivered at home by midwives, lived in the Melbourne / Palm Bay Florida area for 7 years (Lots of REAL rednecks there!) and have lived in the Santa Cruz mountains for the past 13 years. I also lived in Clonmel, Ireland for about 9 months while setting up a factory there. I know both hillbillies (the kind who actually farm their own food and live in 'tar paper shacks' with dirt floors and pigs and chickens coming in and out of the kitchen!) and I also know quite a few 'rednecks' (the dictionary kind!) I'm still friends with all kinds of people from all of the above places and I can honestly say that no one I know would have taken offense at what was said any more than they would be offended by a Jeff Foxworthy album. I believe I understand "this topic" and your reason for posting it more than you might realize. :)

[QC]

189. Maybe this is the difference.

Jeff Foxworthy, who I don't much like, to tell the truth, is one of the people he's joking about, as are most of the people in his audience. So when he does his schtick, it's an inside thing. Everybody's in the same group, and so they laugh at what they know has some truth to it.

Imagine, on the other hand, a painfully white and affluent guy repeating to a black colleague a delightfully funny joke he heard on a Chris Rock special last night. Maybe the "n****** vs. black people" routine.

To use another example, I react differently to another homo calling me a homo than I do to a Freeper calling me a homo.

That's why there's a hell of a difference between someone like Jeff Foxworthy joking about rednecks and a rich New Yorker like Garafolo doing it.

We have a hard enough time getting the votes of people who make less than $100k and don't live in Berkeley without people like Janeane adding to the problem.

[RebelOne]

3. Well, I haven't heard her yet tonight, but I may agree with her

about rednecks. My son is a real redneck and I am always on his case. He was born in South Florida and went to live with his father in Mississippi when he was 12 years old. He lived there until I moved from South Florida to North Georgia and convinced him to relocate his family to the Atlanta, GA area. But he is still a redneck, so I may be able to relate to her comments.

[Must_B_Free]

4. Yeah there's a little bit of insensitivity there

It doesn't offend me because I am close to her "college girl" brand of identity. But I admit some of the things she says might be somewhat offensive to some listeners.

I just hope these people don't do for the Left what Rish did for the right - he boosted them, but only for a mighty big fall..

We seem to be giving up a tad of our moral high ground.

Franken, Malloy, Tom Hartmann, Peter Werbe - I think they are a little older and more careful with tact.

[Eric J in MN]

170. The right took a mighty big fall?

Republicans control the White House, the Supreme Court, the Senate, and the House of Rep.

I wouldn't mind if Janeane Garofalo puts the Democrats in control of the White House, the Supreme Court, the Senate, and the House of Rep.

[Must_B_Free]

Stay tuned

all they really got was enough rope

[Must_B_Free]

183. Stay tuned

all they really got was enough rope

[w4rma]

5. I hope she stops doing that. Maybe you should call in. (nt)

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. I haven't listened.

But we need the so-called "rednecks" to vote democratic. I have a great friend who refers to himself by that nickname because he is from the Southwest, and I always lambaste him for it.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

7. Do you think rednecks and hillbillies are listening to Air America?

[Individualist]

10. Damn right I am! n/t

[Must_B_Free]

17. These are the people we need to reach, too

trust me - they aren't drinking the kool aid anymore... I'm in the bowels of this beast and Bush is becoming a bad memory here, if we can offer a better alternative. We're supposed to be about a bigger umbrella. Let's not alienate people...

[Sterling]

79. I am a redneck, I am not offended.

I need all the help I can get convincing the other rednecks that they are giving us a bad name. I thank people like JG for making the case that redneck southerner has come to mean racist asshole in an SUV. We need some image help, the mirror JG provides is helpful IMHO.

The truth hurts sometimes.

[DarkPhenyx]

21. I am.

I happen to be both by birth.

There are a lot of people here in the South who listen to AAR on-line.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

54. You guys aren't rednecks

Saying everyone from the South is a redneck is insulting.

There are rednecks from all states (NH has a shitload of bubbas). If these folks will listen to alternative viewpoints, then we should be working hard to win them over.

[DarkPhenyx]

68. I am a redneck

hate to bust your bubble but I am.

You apparently have a very narrow view of what it is.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

74. I think the definition of the term is fluid

I don't think of a redneck as being someone from the South. I think of poor rural people (lots of those in New England).

[DarkPhenyx]

81. I am also not poor.

Nor is the rest of my family. Most of us aren't even rural.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

From the dictionary:

1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.

You are neither. But you're still a redneck? :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

Yes.

interesting thing about the dictionary. sometimes it is wrong in it definition, particularly when it comes to terms like this.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

101. Well how do you define it?

I never assume anyone is a redneck. And like I said, I've seen plenty examples of the dictionary term in ME, NH and VT. So I don't think it's a SOUTHERN distinction as much as a CLASS distinction.

[DarkPhenyx]

106. I like Jeff Foxworthy's definition.

It was something like "a glorious lack of refinement".

[Arkana]

190. I can actually confirm that...I have the CD

"Totally Committed" is where Jeff Foxworthy defines "redneck" as a "glorious absence of sophistication, which I took to mean there was an abundance of people like me."

Haven't heard any of Janeane's stuff...only usually listen to O'Franken, cause when you're in college it's hard to sit in front of a computer for hours on end with headphones cause you don't wanna wake up your damned roommate.

[Jackpine Radical]

192. I ges I M 1 v thm Reddneks.

i Driv a pikup truk an got a Farmall tratter an guns ana yella dag an wee liv in tha cuntry ina ol framhous wif allkina wil aminals lik deers som bares an stuf ina woods outback. I lik Janeen Garfullo shees funy. Wee gota git thet dam Bush outa ther.

[kentuck]

80. No. I'm not a redneck but...

I'm a hillbilly. Are those terms supposed to be synonymous? I'm a hillbilly hippie. How's that for twisting people's perceptions? :)

[kentuck]

89. But I'm not offended by Janeane.....

far from it! :)

[kentuck]

25. Yes....I am.

:)

[supernova]

28. Me too!

I come from redneck stock. I dare you to call me a freeper.

[Redneck Socialist]

39. This one does n\t

[latebloomer]

8. well, she did say she was sorry

if she'd offended any rednecks.

[DarkPhenyx]

26. Actually she apologized, passingly, to Hillbillies.

It sounded, to me, almost like a someoen telling a joke about niggers and then apologizing after if anyone was offended but not really meaning it.

[Cleita]

9. Maybe she needs to redefine her terms.

I think she's talking about freepers. Being a city girl she probably doesn't understand that people who might consider themselves rednecks and hillbillies don't consider themselves conservatives or Republicans and godforbid freeepers.

[supernova]

11. Bingo! You win the prize Cleita

for distinguishing "a person of rural heritage" from a "freeper"

I offer this toast as a prize. :toast: :beer:

[Cleita]

18. Well, I'm pretty rural myself, so I know the difference.

Thanks for the compliment. :toast:

[jonnyblitz]

22. I always thought redneck was a state of mind or attitude..

and not dependent on place of birth or rural heritage. I was born and raised in the hickest of rural towns but was never a redneck by any means....based on my definition

[supernova]

30. Real rednecks are rural people

who make their living off the land. And not all of them (us) are conservative or are born-gain, Left Behind reading neanderthals. They deserve the attention of the democratic party as much as anyone.

[QC]

193. Amen! Preach it! n/t

[newsguyatl]

13. no offense

but this is the precise reason liberals haven't (and probably will never succeed) in talk radio... liberals get offended by every fucking thing! "they're talking sexist, they're talking racist, they're offending this group, they're offending that group, they're too crude, they don't let people talk, they butt in"...

loosen up folks... let her talk about the fucking rednecks all she wants... it's not like they're listening anyway,and they're ESPECIALLY never gonna vote for kerry. so lighten up. conservatives ARE rednecks! and for the most part, yes most HILLBILLES too are conservative. fuck 'em and their dumb asses...

liberals need to grow some thicker skin and beat the republicans at their own game. that's the ONLY way we'll win...

[supernova]

19. Yes, but not all rednecks

are freepers. :7

[Individualist]

20. FU, newsguy!

I'm NOT a conservative.

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[buycitgo]

33. absolutely right! well said

no chance swaying those mouthbreathers

why bother

ps.....you don't have to bite me anymore

apologies for going off on PBS thread

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[buycitgo]

88. no fair. what'd you say? who are you?

[DarkPhenyx]

35. OK, let me point this out once again.

Maybe you didn't understand that there are several "rednecks" listening tonight. You are an (deleted so the post will not get removed), but I wouldn't insult you on a radio show by calling you out on it.

Attitudes like yours are a big reason we keep losng the south. It isn't that the south is Republican. It's that the Democratic party left so many in the South behind long ago. You quit listening to them, treated them like the crazy uncle in the closet, and basically shit on them.

Grow up ok?

[newsguyatl]

57. what the fuck are you talking about?

I'M from the south, born and raised. i still LIVE in the south, as does all my family.

does that mean I'M a hillbilly or redneck?

fuck no!


and i think your insinuating that all southerners are redneck or hillbillies is absolutely absurd.


MY definition (and likely janeen's definition) of a redneck go FAR beyond regional borders.


so why don't YOU grow up.

[DarkPhenyx]

76. ahhhh, hit a nerve did I?

Good.

Well, I am a hillbillie. Pround of it. I am also a redneck. Also proud of it. I am also a liberal and a Democrat. Now. Do you have a further point, or do you want to continue talking about thing you apparently do not understand?

[jonnyblitz]

99. according to dictionary.com. both definitions of redneck

expressed on this thread are correct.

red·neck ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rdnk)
n. Offensive Slang
1.Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.

2.A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.

[DarkPhenyx]

157. First off...

...as stated before the definition is no longer appropriate. Second, look where it says "disparaging". That means insulting. Now, are all members of the rural laboring class in the Southern U.S. provincial, conservative, and bigoted? No. So how does using a term wich is insulting, and targeted at them help our cause in winning the Southern Vote?

[ExWife]

44. fuck 'em and their dumb asses...

Man, you just really don't get it do you?

[newsguyatl]

71. no, obviously YOU don't get it.

back off.

[supernova]

87. I get you more than you know, ExWife

;-) :hi: :*

[Zinfandel]

49. Your right newsguyatl, these perfect people want to just bitch and bitch!

I wonder if the hicks and the right-wing assholes who listen to Limbaugh get as upset when the pigman refers to liberals as lazy stupid city fuck??? (Pretty much as he does when he refers to the "blue" area's that vote Democrat).

[DarkPhenyx]

158. I'm not annoyed that we insult our opposition.

I am annoyed that we are pissing on our own people.

[ParanoidPat]

185. You mean like you're pissing on JG and Air America?

:shrug: :evilgrin: Ironic, isn't it?

[DarkPhenyx]

223. Please point out where I'm pissing on JG or AAR.

If you can't then please apologize.

My entire point has been for someone as intelligent as she is, and for AAR being our newest voice, it's annoying to hear them using sterotypes like this and potentially offending people we need. You mean we can't be critical of our own or question their judgement on something?

What are we? Republicans?

[gemlake]

91. AAR will succeed

I'm so tired of people claiming that there is no audience for liberal radio. Just like publishers telling Michael Moore that no one wanted to read a book critical of Bush*.

According to the Majority Report blog,

"Air American Radio had a "cume" of 2 million listeners via the web in our first three days. It is an amazing number, which far outstripped our expectations."

[DarkPhenyx]

159. Never said they wouldn't.

Rush Limbaugh succeeded too though. I really don't think we should strive to be a liberal version of him.

[gemlake]

15. Judy Gold is on,

and "David," a gay republican. They're debating gay marriage, civil unions, etc. Judy is absolutely hilarious.

[buycitgo]

36. she kills me......but I'm listening on real radio,..........one hour TAPE

DELAY!

really irritating

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[thebigidea]

29. well, I'm completely insane and think criticizing janeane is just WRONG!

any one who says the following line into my microphone is off limits for criticism:

http://www.terminalproduct.com/freedomfucked.rm

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[thebigidea]

58. as opposed to the helpful attitude you're promoting, intended to heal

your soothing calls for unity have touched me deeply. Please enjoy the rest of your thread, intended as it was in the spirit of goodness, joy, and fluffy bunny rabbits.

[DarkPhenyx]

42. Let's see...

being critical of her insulting our own people with a sterotype? Oh, I see...that really is crazy. :roll:

[absyntheNsugar]

114. What? She's beyond criticism?

I like her a lot, and love her show but no one is beyond criticism IMO...

And yeah, her comments against the rural southerners are bigoted IMO too.

[VelmaD]

121. you should be ashamed slink

After everything you've said in the sexism threads the last couple of days for you to defend someone who stereotypes rural Southerners is disappointing in the extreme.

[slinkerwink]

131. I don't use rural stereotypes

and I think Janeane already apologized for the hillybilly comment as someone said above.

[VelmaD]

136. I certainly hope you don't...

use rural stereotypes. But you did call Phe "fucking insane" which is the exact kind of minimization of someone's concerns that you and I were beating people up for repeatedly in the "bitch" threads.

[slinkerwink]

139. in that case, then I apologize to him

[VelmaD]

144. Thanks slink...

it wasn't just Phe. Maybe it doesn't always come across but I'm from Texas...rural Texas to be exact. I have my redneck moments. Hell, I was in the car this afternoon singing along with the Dixie Chicks' new song "I'm a Redneck Woman".

I guess a lot of the people on this thread who think rednecks can't be liberals have never heard of the Dixie Chicks. ;-)

[slinkerwink]

146. did I tell you that I'm from Texas too?

;-)

[VelmaD]

148. Aren't you from San Antonio?

City girl. :P

[slinkerwink]

152. lol, that I am

[VelmaD]

155. I guess somebody has to be...

from the city...at least it's a Texas city. :-)

I'm out in the country as we speak. Took some vacation time to visit my parents...both rednecks and lifelong yellow dog Democrats.

Now there's a point people bashing Southerners seem to have missed...if there are no Democrats down here then how did "yellow dog Democrat" become such a Southern cliche? :)

[slinkerwink]

166. my dad tries to be a redneck Texan, but it can't be accomplished

because he was born in New York, and buying a ranch doesn't make him into a Texan. I've pointed this out to him that you have to be a native Texan to be a real redneck Texan.

[Bake]

208. Once again

It's like telling a n****r joke and then apologizing. Sorry, slink, but you've slipped a lot in my estimate lately.

Anyone who criticizes your idol JG must be crazy? What, are you going to apologize for that now? We know that's what you really think. Glad you're so superior to us Southerners/rural types.

I AM what most "northern elites" would refer to as a redneck: southern, came from a small town, actually enjoy (some) country music, play the banjo, speak with an accent, etc. But guess what: I'm also well-traveled, well-educated (3 graduate degrees), speak or read four languages (other than English), and probably smarter than you, slink. And I'm pretty sick of the stereotypes, and I'm offended by JG at times. Oops, I'm also a white male, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.

But then I'm just "bitching" about nothing.

Bake

[slinkerwink]

211. look....I apologized for defending JG's use of the word "redneck"

and I've yet to hear any apologies from anyone for offending me and other women with the word "Bitch" as a sexist slur.

[QC]

197. Hero worship much?

}(

Interesting that someone so exquisitely sensitive as yourself would have no problem at all with people slinging around terms of class privilege/prejudice.

One person's bitch is another person's redneck.

[mandyky]

23. I know I am a country hick

I'm from upstate NY and we had to deal with NYC people and their attitudes towards rural dwellers, so I have a thick skin. I have some redneck attributes, but I have an open mind. Hopefully, rednecks and hillbillies with open minds will understand what Janeane G is talking about.

[DarkPhenyx]

51. oh...ok, it's their fault.

damn...we are so sorry for being wrong.

[Junkdrawer]

24. You know, there's been a lot of "I'm hyper-sensitive" divisive...

threads today. So many, in fact, that EarlG's been locking them.

[DenverDem]

34. Scaifeco boiler rooms

working overtime.

"Pay no attention to the treasonous lying witch in front of the 9/11 commission."

[Junkdrawer]

77. You got that right..

:thumbsup:

[jonnyblitz]

47. the ones that have been locked

are the threads that mock the concerns of the "hypersensitive".

[Junkdrawer]

61. Nope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1370156&mesg_id=1370156

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1371805&mesg_id=1371805

[jonnyblitz]

104. my bad. i only saw two that were locked.

I was wrong.

[latebloomer]

31. "You might be a redneck if"

you scratch your back with a toilet brush."

Sorry, couldn't help it.

[Dr Fate]

37. I lot of Southerners and actual Rednecks love those jokes...

and I doubt anyone from the South was really offended by her remarks- excpet Bush-voters who were already offended by everything else she is saying...

[QC]

198. See my post #189. n/t

[Dr Fate]

32. I'm from the South, and I thought it was funny...

I did indeed grow up in "the country", have lived in a trailor, and speak with a heavy drawl!!!

Even Country & Western singers poke fun at "rednecks"- it can a put down OR compliment BETWEEN "rednecks"...

I doubt to many actual "rednecks" are as offended by words as are "enlightened Liberals..."

In other words, I think she totally gets a pass on this one- most Southerners like me know who she is talking about.

[supernova]

48. Truthfully, I didn't hear it

It's Britcom night on PBS tonight. So I'll give her a pass this time.

But the truth is, a lot of urban, affluent liberals don't believe people like me exist. It's up to me to tell them otherwise. Edit: I can usually dispell the myth pretty quickly. ;-)

I invite any naysayers in this thread to come debate me in my favorite wine bar in Chapel Hill.

[ExWife]

38. I think she is a spoiled Hollywood brat

And she has no use for rednecks and hillbillies in her narrow fake botox Hollywood lifestyle. I have no love lost for the super rich and apologists for the object mentality towards women.

[thebigidea]

41. uh huh. she's an "apologist for the object mentality towards women"

we can't all be Peggy Noonan, I suppose.

[ExWife]

52. Just like we all can't be Hollywood beauty perfect

I don't need a botox queen to tell me anything.

[supernova]

59. I like Janeane; she's very smart

she just needs to meet me. :*

[thebigidea]

63. I prefer the compassion of citizens such as yourself.

tell me anything! tell me everything! tell me about the rabbits, george.

[Dr Fate]

50. She did not say that, -you missed the earlier segment on Rural Outreach

Did you even listen to the show?

An earlier segment was about RURAL EDUCATION- so I guess she does have use for rural people.

It was a JOKE. I'm from the South- and she had a POINT.

As far as the Botox goes- Jeneane does not do that that I know of- got proof?, or is it just a smear?

[Dr Fate]

53. ,,,

,,,

[DarkPhenyx]

55. It wasn't a joke.

Seh was talking about the rednecks and hillbillies who all vote for teh Conservatives.

[Dr Fate]

67. The use of the WORD was humorous...

...it often happens in satire.

I'm from the rural South, and she is right- Rednecks & Hillbillies tend to be conservative. Is that some big secret?

[DarkPhenyx]

78. Not a secret.

It simply wrong. It is also insulting, within the context she used the terms, to those of us who are not.

[Dr Fate]

85. If you say so- Email her! I would love to hear her response!

E-mail her, encourage others to do so as well- perhaps it will start an interesting dialouge on her show...

[DarkPhenyx]

90. Already have.

Having the integrity and strength of your convictions is a wonderful thing.

[Dr Fate]

111. Now you are bragging!!..

:)Okay, okay-your strength & convictions are admirable!:)

[DarkPhenyx]

113. Naaa.

Bragging is when I talk about my...well, never mind. :)

[QC]

214. "Rednecks & Hillbillies tend to be conservative"

How about Darkies, Wetbacks, and Kikes? What are their political leanings? Please illuminate us.

And before you gripe about my use of offensive slurs, please try to consider that many of us, including a number of good Democrats, consider your favorite terms for describing us no less offensive than the terms I used, terms that I would never casually sling around the way you and many others apparently delight in throwing at safe targets like poor country people.

[Duncan Grant]

43. Tempest in a teapot, DarkPhenyx.

Am I the only one who thinks a point is trying to be made here about other threads we've seen today? I wish I could enjoy such smug satisfaction at the expense of others...

[DarkPhenyx]

60. Hunh?

OK, missed that.

[Duncan Grant]

92. As a person known here at DU for a well constructed arguement...

this really seems like a subtle approach to today's drama here at DU. The mods have locked threads (flame-wars actually) regarding homophobia, sexism, etc., etc., etc.

This hillbilly/redneck surrogate thread is dubious and although I don't often agree with your arguements; I do respect your ability to construct a series of thoughtful responses to difficult topics.

If your motives are in fact based on a heartfelt concern for hillbillies and rednecks and their ability to embrace the Democratic party, then I apologize wholeheartly for my obvious misunderstanding.

edit: clarifying comment on message not messanger

[DarkPhenyx]

105. OK, got it now.

My post was not an attempt to stat a new flame war. My annoyace with the terms used, in the way and place they were, is real. It isn't that I am offended by them. It's that her "joke" may well insult some voters we need.

[jonnyblitz]

109. now that i have learned the COMPLETE definition of redneck

then I guess you have a legitimate beef. good thread. I like it when I learn something new. hopefully you won't be as dismissive of threads that complain about homophobia like you have been in the past now that your ox has been gored..

[DarkPhenyx]

115. I'm never dismissive of homophobia.

Some of the attitudes that gatehr around that subject though...ah, those I am very comtemptious and critical of.

[Eroshan]

45. Janeane has a right to her opinion

and what has Sean Hannity done lately to galvanize his support from the left. Hillbilly is a term often used to describe uneducated inbreds. Redneck speaks for itself. If there is such a thing as a democratic redneck I'd like to meet him/her to tell them their in the wrong party. Redneck's want to push nationalism while ignoring the constitution. Look at the south in the 1960's and before and you have what the rednecks perceive as a perfect world. Hillbillies on the other hand never wanted part of society and wanted to remain isolated in the hills shooting at rival clans with the same eagerness that they would shoot at those of color.

[supernova]

75. Erm. I'll be sure to tell that to the farmer

down the road from me who relaxes by reading Dostoyevsky. Or the electrician who debated economics with me while installing my outdoor sensor lightng.

Geez, you really should get out more.

[Dr Fate]

98. Or the Country & Western sang'in Dr. Fate!!!

Personally, I'm not offended by her comments...

BUT- people who think all "Red-necks" are GOP should meet a good friend of mine- a White Southern Baptist preacher who gave the flat-out best anti-war/pro-tolerance speech I ever heard.

You should meet the long-haired, sun-burnt GA Union dudes who regulary attend the Democratic functions in Richmond county...

Willie Nelson anyone? Johnny Cash?

It really depends on what KIND of rednecks we are talking about!!!

I think most smart Southerners know who she is talking about...

[Eroshan]

103. Well seein how I'm from the Ozarks

grewed up in the midwest and rocked out with the Ozark Mountain Daredevils. And seeins how I'm a Maintenance man that has worked with his hands all his life, but still finished college with three degrees. I figger that I've been around enough to know what a redneck is and what they stand for. Being a working man does not make you a redneck and I don't think Miss Garafalo was indicating that nor am I.

[DarkPhenyx]

163. So you aren't.

The point is the definition that you are running on is wrong. Pure-D flat out wrong.

[murielm99]

226. I am married to a farmer ---

a farmer with a bachelor's degree (econ and history).

After taxes, we earn so little from farming, that he works full time as a printer. So he is a union member, too. We hunt. We have a pickup.

I am a farmer's wife with a master's degree.

Are we rednecks?

Do any of you know what you are talking about?

Do I care?

[DarkPhenyx]

160. *raises hand*

Well, now you've met one. As well as the others who have posted here. Apologies will be accepted, but are doubtful to come.

[Bake]

209. Don't hold your breath, DP

But I'll stand with you.

Bake

[DarkPhenyx]

221. The more we stand together...

...the harder it is to beat us. The Republicans learned that a long time ago.

[QC]

200. Good lord, I can't remember the last time I saw so many stereotypes

in one place. Maybe it was my last visit to Free Republic.

Do a little bit of reading into where terms like redneck, hillbilly, and white trash came from, and the political agendas behind those slurs, and you will be ashamed that you were ever so willing to fling them around so happily.

Here's a clue--they are terms of class hatred that the upper classes have used to justify their own wealth and power. And the fact that alleged liberals use them so comfortably is enough to make any genuine Leftist shudder.

Fortunately, I guess, there are too few real Leftists hanging around DU for such things to cause much discomfort.

[Dr Fate]

56. Did we all miss the bit on Rural Outreach?

She interviewed some guy on the importance of Rural Outreach earlier in the show-

Did we ALL miss that?

Sort of contradicts the idea that she is against them or an elitist...

[Sterling]

64. Maybe but

She speaks the truth. I love her, shes the cats meow.

Before you accuse me of being a snotty northerner check out my avitar.

[thebigidea]

69. aww, but can't we have a huuuuge North/South flamefest anyway?

[JVS]

73. The North forever!

[thebigidea]

70. edit - (dupe)

We should start breaking balsa wood furniture over each other's heads.

"New Yorker!"

"New Jersey-tainted New Yorker!"

"Yeah, well... you're from Akron!"

"Take it back, Arcadia-boy!"

[democracyindanger]

66. Seriously

Call in or say something during the live blog. I'd bet you'd see the beauty of liberal intellectualism: The ability to make an apology.

[Serenity-NOW]

72. Rednecks? Hillbillys? Our Side?

I'll stick with academics, teachers and union workers thank you very much. I suspect they are a bit more likely to actually vote too.

How many people actually identify themselves as Hillbillys anway? Do people really do that?

[supernova]

83. Ahem!!

:hi: :hi:

From Orange County, North Carolina. And I do mean the unincorporated part. And it really is ORANGE too. I've got good old Orange clay between my toes.

And I'm drinking a fairly nice Pino Noir too. :hi:

[DarkPhenyx]

84. I do.

I'm proud of my heritage. Aren't you proud of yours?

Your first comment demonstrates your, unfortunately not uncommon, ignorance on this topic. It is that ignorance which is costing us votes down here.

[Serenity-NOW]

110. Your right, I was insensitive to these groups. Pinot sipping hillbilly eh?

Or are you a redneck? I really don't get the defining qualities for either. All my life I've been called a 'surfer dude' but sure enough I surf and love the ocean. What do hillbillys and rednecks do to earn and preserve the titles?

From what I understand the terms hillbilly and redneck aren't actually voting blocks. Just like surfer dudes.

By all means, be proud of your heritage and proclaim it loudly at your marriage to... not really your sister right? Will DOMA affect inbreeding?

All apologies to any who find my cultural naivete insulting. Enjoy the Pinot.

[supernova]

119. Pino sipping redneck is me

Maybe I should start using the screen name of a friend of mine from another board.

Maybe I should call myself "Iconoclast," one who contains clashes of icons, instead of "supernova."

[bicentennial_baby]

164. Excuse moi?

Some of us rural folks (like my fiancee, who is a farmer) affectionately refer to ourselves as hillbillys, and trust me, he and I are just about as far left as you get, and yes, we fucking vote.

[fishnfla]

82. yes only only you

[DarkPhenyx]

86. Did you read the rest of the posts here?

Apaprently not because while I am in the minority here, I am not the only one. You can read can't you?

[Wonk]

116. Speaking of reading comprehension skills, re-read your initial post.

Or should I say re-read-read your initial post post?

[DarkPhenyx]

120. Yes, I know.

I made some typos. How nice of you to point them out. Thank you.

[fishnfla]

151. I can read. Can you, you know, write?

In my book, "only only" is not close to being a typo.

[supernova]

100. Phe isn't the only one

boy, don't I love a good rural/urban flamefest. :eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

94. I have a sense of humor

I have southern roots going back 200 years... and I have never been offended by those kinds of jokes.

A lack of a sense of humor, especially about one's self, is a bad road to travel in life.

[DarkPhenyx]

108. It isn't the joke Zomby.

I honestly don't think it was a joke. It was a very broad generalization about a group of people. Very similar to calling people from the Mid-East "camel riders". We can't afford to have our "voices" doing things theat could offend teh group of people we need.

[Zomby Woof]

127. I'll grant you this

I didn't hear her comment myself, so my opinion is at a disadvantage and should be taken as just an offhand observation.

But having said that, it is unlikely it would have offended me, or my Dad, or others of strong southern heritage in my family. I recognize that this is a "your mileage will vary" issue, and will not say others do not have the right to be offended. That is not to say I am never offended by anti-southern comments - fewer here fight harder for southerners than I do in those southern-bashing threads - but it takes a lot more than a comedian's satirical musings to set me off.

I am a fan of Janeane, and admittedly more likely to defer to her humor on these matters. Still, I should like to hear her myself before making my judgment final.

[DarkPhenyx]

134. A wise course to plot.

:)

[QC]

201. If you're not offended by them,

then maybe it's because they're not directed at you.

Even right here in the South, where some of my ancestors lived before Europeans started showing up on boats, the privileged love to crack ugly jokes about those, both black and white, whose poverty makes possible their comfortable "lifestyles."

They're such ignorant and crude people, you know. And consequently so amusing.

For those of us who have always worked for the privileged, however, such "jokes" aren't at all funny.

[Zomby Woof]

206. never been a rich or privileged person in my family

So much for that theory. Personally, I like it when they DO mock me (because yes, I have been accused of all sorts of foolishness due to my heritage), because I already know I am smarter than they are, and will win in the end.

Did I mention I also have a thick skin to go with my sense of humor?

[QC]

213. Nice to learn that bit of info.

One would never know it from some of the things you post here.

I guess I just find it hard to have a "sense of humor" about a wealthy, pampered urbanite like Janeane Garafolo cracking on my family for the same reason that I can't laugh when straight friends call someone else a cocksucker in my presence. Oh sure, they insist that they aren't talking about me, but they are.

Likewise, when I hear someone denouncing the rednecks, I think of my grandparents, who struggled against odds the average bourgeois can't even begin to imagine and whose only reward was to be called--you guessed it--"rednecks."

So I hope you'll pardon me if I don't laugh.

[NMDemDist2]

117. as a child of the kentucky hills and an education from Texas

i LOVE janeane. She is bright and funny. AA was always supposed to be a "satirical" radio station. as i have mentioned many times here in the 10days i have been posting, we need to get a little tougher and as my granny would say "grow some hide on yur @ss and fergit it"

[DarkPhenyx]

128. Nice to know you are willing to risk...

...pissing away an entire block of votes in the next election.

[Zomby Woof]

129. LOL!

You can't beat granny-wisdom. :-)

[Bake]

210. I find JG only occasionally bright and seldom funny.

But then, I guess that's because I'm just a redneck.

Bake

[Triple H]

123. Rednecks and hillbillies deserve to be made fun of...

after all...they all are Repukes. No one will ever stop me from making fun of rednecks or hillbillies.

This tops the list as the stupidest thread ever.

[Name removed]

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[Triple H]

130. Closet bigot, huh?

You make that basic assumption that I make fun of rednecks/hillbillies that I'm a bigot...NEWSFLASH: I'm a bigot towards racist redneck hillbillies!!!

So I suppose me calling Bush a redneck is "racist" and "bigoted", huh? :eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

133. At least you are honest about your bigotry.

Not a very liberal view to take, but hey...who am I to judge. It is sad that you are so illinformed about this that you immediately lump racist, redenck, and hillbilly into one word.

[Triple H]

138. Why not lump them together?

I mean, how many rednecks have you seen that aren't racist or republican? I'm betting none. I live in an area full of rednecks, and every single one of them are racist and back Bush. I have every right in the world to call those people rednecks.

It's pretty sad that the though police are trying to stop me from calling them that...:eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

140. well...

...my entire family for starters. Our redneck and hillbilly friends. A few are Republican. None of them are racist. Hillbilly and redneck? Those two terms don't belong together everytime either. You can be a redneck and not be a hillbilly. Vice versa as well.

As I've mentioned. You really don't know what you are talking about.

[Triple H]

141. DarkPhenyx...

Please go read my post over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1375696#1375933

[DarkPhenyx]

143. OK, I see the problem.

You have the wrong definition. Understandable.

[Triple H]

145. The definition of the term "redneck"

that I have used was always the term that meant "racist and biggoted republicans who live in the country" from where I'm from. I think society has been using the term like that too. I don't know. That's the way I see it anyways. :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

149. So which is more relavant?

Your definition which is wrong, or teh definition used by those people who the term is appropriate for them, but for whom your definition is also not applicable?

[Triple H]

154. Before you go attacking me...

go read this post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1375696&mesg_id=1376005&page=

I wasn't the only one with mixed definitions about the term...

[DarkPhenyx]

165. I'm not attacking you.

I was simply asking for what you considered to be more important?

[supernova]

135. Good thing

I don't depend on ego stroking from limited imagination people on internet BBSs.

LIke I said up thread, you really should get out more.

[DaveSZ]

142. Janeane should apologize

We need bubbas.

Hell Clinton's a bubba. :)

[bicentennial_baby]

167. You know not of what you speak

I'll just leave it at that.

[Name removed]

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[Zinfandel]

147. So should Limbaugh...for his insults to city folks and his high ratings.

You think his listeners care when the pigman refers to "Blue' area liberals, as jobless, dumb, America hating Democrats...This is a war of words ideas and insults, all's fair in...

I guess we like to kill our own for trival bullshit, off the cuff response's...the pigman, has it down and his hick redneck audience keeps his ratings high. Laughing as we are so upset over nothing.

[VelmaD]

150. Uhh...last time I checked...

we were supposed to be "better people" than Limbaugh's listeners.

[Zinfandel]

156. Ratings is the name of the game...no, let's continue to be polite, correct

liberals and continue to lose...because we can't say what we really want to, as pigman always says "it's just entertainment'...but you never say anything offensive in jest or to make a point...your one of the perfect ones. We eat are own, alive!

[VelmaD]

161. Yup that's me...

practically perfect in every way.

Or not. :eyes:

BTW, I have found that I am almost always capable of saying what I want to say without needlessly insulting entire groups of people. All it takes is a little thought and creativity and maybe a thesaurus.

[Zinfandel]

168. Boring! Do you think anyone listens? No. Just read "Top 10 Consevative

idiots" each week...and learn about grabbers, impact and keeping people interested.

[VelmaD]

171. One can keep people interested...

without being insulting. Stereotyping is intellectually lazy and intellectually lazy people don't tend to be interesting writers or speakers.

[Zinfandel]

176. So label's , insults, aren't interesting to you...and you disagree with

people using the terms "freepers" or "the Bush crime family" Bush is an asshole, Republican swine, pigman, or even as I mentioned "Top Tem conservative Idiots" (which has many of the same insults you find so distateful thoughout the list)

I find it more distatseful to jump on someone with my ideology to add fuel to the republican assholes who love to watch as we disasemble our own.

[VelmaD]

177. I'm not sure where you got all that...

out of my comment that we're supposed to be aspiring to be better people than the kind who listen to Rush.

And I believe what I said was that stereotypes are intellectually lazy...and they do not interest me. If all a person has in their bag of tricks is insulting their opposition...then I do not find them interesting either.

"George Bush is an asshole" may be true...but any idiot can parrot that. If you want my attention then you need to come up with something a little more substantial to say.

And really what this all boils down to is that insulting large groupsof people does nothing to help our cause. It turns off potential voters for no good reason other than scoring cheap and easy points.

[Zinfandel]

181. So sometimes things are said in passion, anger and/or in a flippant way.

Why hold a good person so deeply accountable in this circumstance...especially since she is a novice, on our side and in the heat of frustration an battle?

Were all guilt of that.

[VelmaD]

186. Not sure how complaining on an internet bulletin board...

qualifies as holding someone "deeply accountable".

And she is a novice...which is even more reason she needs to have these issues brought to her attention.

[DarkPhenyx]

153. So Limbaugh is now the benchmark?

We're allowed to be almost as ignorant, insulting, and stupid as he is as long as we don't go below that line?

[QC]

204. Yes, the knuckledraggers on the extreme right are now our moral compass.

Sad, isn't it?

It was once said, as a terrible insult of Sy Newhouse, that "he lost his moral compass when Roy Cohn died," but he was lucky compared to us old-fashioned Lefties, if prevailing opinion here at DU is any guide.

[DarkPhenyx]

225. Thank god I am different then.

I am my own moral compass. I refuse to become like my enemy to fight my enemy. I might lose, but I'd rather die financially ruined, than morally bankrupt.

[cally]

162. Wow, you hit a firestorm

that you do not deserve. I didn't listen but I think hillbilly and redneck are insulting terms. :hug:

[DarkPhenyx]

169. Awwwwwwwww, t'anks for the hug!

:hug: And thank you for the support.

Then again this isn't the first firestorm I've been the focus of.

[VelmaD]

172. How many pairs of asbestos underwear...

do you own now? :-)

[FDRrocks]

180. I agree

"Redneck" reminds me of the term "Wetback", which is typically considered a racial slur.

[Misinformed01]

173. Get your own damned radio show then.

If you don't like what she is saying, then like the fools that can't turn off Randi Rhodes----Tough Shit.

Why listen to her if you don't like her?

[QC]

205. AMERICA -- LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!

Is there any difference between that slogan and yours?

If so, please enlighten me, because I can't see it.

Otherwise, you are no better than those who say that Rush must be right, or else those who oppose him would have nationally-syndicated radio shows.

[Redleg]

175. Making insults about rednecks has the smell of Hollywood elite

all over it. Convincing rural working folks that we liberals don't give a f@ck about them does not help our cause.

[Zinfandel]

178. Suppose they are rednecks, a terminology where one immediately

understands the refference...there are fucking rednecks stupid fucks out there and they vote for Bush...if they can read or vote...the term has been used to refer to assholes, the same as crackers, for many years, to refer to ignorant fucks who hate because someone looks different or thinks progressively...

Yeah and I hate rednecks!

[VelmaD]

179. That was offensive enough to almost be surreal

And we wonder why so many Southerners, many of whom are moderate or liberal but also embrace their redneck-ness, feel unwelcome in the Democratic party sometimes.

[Zinfandel]

182. Rednecks do NOT mean Southerners...get that straight...it's a term

for progressive ignorance. By no means exclusive to Southerners. (My man, Mike Malloy is a Southener and I would hardly call him a redneck, nor would anyone else).

I know redneck loggers among others here in N CA.

[VelmaD]

184. I know that not all rednecks are Southerners...

nor are all Southerners rednecks. However, the point of my post still stands...we have discussed why Southerners often don't feel welcome in the Democratic party many times on DU. And many of the same stereotypes recur in those threads. Many Southerners do have an attachment to their redneck roots...I am one of them.

Rednecks are one of the groups most hurt by Republican administrations and it would be in our best interest and theirs to constructively engage them and talk about that fact rather than calling them names and writing them off.

[Zinfandel]

188. I do try and speak with them...and they are hardly an isolated group being

fucked over by this administration, (Minorities, Women Gay's) the same people many of them hate simply because of who they are, they are ones whom I refer to as rednecks. Again it's a terminology of reference, to those who won't change and who have been taught this philosophy and who consciously refuse to change. These are who I refer to as rednecks.

And once again, I would hardly think a Southerner like Mike Malloy (and many other Southerners) don't feel welcome in the Democratic party.

[Redleg]

191. What IS clear to me is that "redneck" has many different meanings

here at DU. Some equate redneck with the worst kind of behavior (such as KKK stuff) and others equate it with "good ol' boys" from the rural South. Mabye instead of using the term "redneck" to insult people, maybe we should describe who it is we really dislike. We should be very careful not to use terms that are not precisely understood.

[Zinfandel]

196. Then we agree? Some here just as everywhere else are...uh, misguided..

Same as everywhere. We debate to try and educate?

The only thing I suppose I object to or find curious is your purity of NEVER using slang, a stereotype, etc., ever in conversation among friends, family, to quickly make a point of reference to paint an image to make your point. Never have? Then you are one of the very rare few and I take my hat off to you.

But, have a bit of tolerance (i.e. liberal compassion) for those of us Neanderthals who do. I don't mean to display intolerance to those who do not fit the bill.

[Redleg]

231. I never said I don't use slang or resort to stereotypes.

I am only human. I just try to be aware that what I say may be mis-interpreted by others.

[VelmaD]

194. We obviously have a definitional difference...

and I would imagine we're not the only ones. The problem with defining redneck the way you have is that when you make sweetping statement about "rednecks" you're taking a chance on offending people who consider themselves rednecks but define it a different way.

I self-identify as a redneck. I don't mean the same thing when I say that that you do. For me it means while I currently work inside...I have done the kind of outside work that gives one a red neck in my life. While I don't currently drive a pickup truck...I used to. While I think most current country music is crap (like most pop music)...I still know the words to every song by Patsy Cline and Hank Williams Sr.

[Zinfandel]

199. Then we disagree! That's fine...so if I sincerely call you a redneck,

as you refer to yourself , you won't take offense. And so I say this to you, someone whom I respect in a very sincere, non offensive way. I think your a great redneck.

However, I still understand the terminology from the 60's (as most refer to) where the term "redneck" originated from, do you?

If not, I'll explain it to you.

[QC]

216. Malloy is from Ohio.

Dayton, to be specific. I adore him, but he's not a Southerner, and I hardly see how the fact that he lives near Atlanta justifies your stereotyping people to begin with.

As for your own special little personal definitions of people, they are irrelevant. Perception is reality in many ways, and you can't really expect people to be less insulted when you throw slurs around and then explain that you're only referring to their friends and family and all the other people who live around them and look and act and talk like them and work the same jobs as they and live in the same places, but not them personally.

[bearfartinthewoods]

222. bingo!!!!

PA is a battleground state and it's choke full of people who would proudly claim the redneck tag but sure as hell would resent it if someone used it as a slur or insult. these people should be dems but they keep running into what they perceive as elitist dem voices making fun of them.

it isn't just the south that's at risk.

[QC]

207. Redneck is a term of class hatred. Period. Get that straight.

Then maybe you will have some right to lecture me on what insults to my own people really mean.

Otherwise, you are indistinguishable from a racist declaring that when he says n****r he's really only talking about the trashy ones.

[Las Vegas Canuck]

187. DarkPhenyx you have mentioned “our people”

a few times, as in we don’t want to piss off “an entire block of votes, group of people we need” etc. How do you define our people exactly when everyone has a slight shade of differing opinions? As has been shown in this thread there are a large number of people do not find the term(s) as bad as you or who find the term humorous or take it in stride. I wonder just how big this voting block would be in the grand scheme of things? Seeing as how Liberals can come in all shapes and sizes aren’t we just being a little too picky on focusing on one thing and assuming that that would be the deciding factor to turn them away? If JG was making a joke at the expense of the Pro 2nd Amendment crowd should we panic because we might lose the RKBA Liberals?

I guess what I am getting at is I have seen more picking apart of Air America by this forum than is probably going on over at Freeperville. It is new and I say give it a chance but there is now way in hell it can be all pleasing to all Liberals/Democrats all the time. Just as I can’t agree 100% on a politicians stances/views every time but if I’m batting 90% with his/her views then that is the best I can sometimes hope for and that is good enough for me.

Hope I’m not coming of as confrontational – just trying to articulate that whole we can’t please everyone all the time scenario.

[Selwynn]

202. Not enough to get worked up about it....

I'm sorry, that's just my honest answer to your question.

[Van Helsing]

212. I find no problems with it.

The term "redneck" is defined as a person who lives out in the country, farms, and is sexist, racist, is a bigot, and is a Republican. That's the definition of "redneck" that I have always known of anyways. I see differing definitions on it, though. Some say a redneck is someone who does farm work and/or works outside all the time. Well, that's not my definition (or many other's for that matter).

The definition of "redneck" that Janeane was referring to correlates more with my (and many others) definition of redneck.

[QC]

215. If I had a nickel for every time

a white racist has told me that when he says "n*****" he's only referring to lazy, shiftless black folks and not the nice, hardworking black people who aren't like that, then I could quit my job and bum around for the rest of my days like I've always wanted to do.

That's the problem with having one's own very special little personal definition of words that offend other people.

[jonnyblitz]

218. i have NEVER seen redneck used in a nuetral or positive

light referring to someone's rural roots alone. NEVER. this thread was an eye opener for me.

[Van Helsing]

227. I've never seen it as a positive term...

referring to a person's rural roots alone. It's always been negative, and towards those who are bigots, racist, sexist, and all that other negative connotations to it.

I really made up that definition, QC. :eyes: Maybe you should pay attention to society a little more and get your facts straight before you attack someone else about the subject.

[cleofus1]

217. Geez Louise!

Maybe we should boycott Air America until they make a formal apology.
If we just bash J.G. enough maybe we can force AA off the air and then we can all listen to NPR again!

[Christ was Socialist]

219. Hey She can do no wrong in my eyes

She is perfect.And i mean that objectively.

[Guava Jelly]

220. I hate rednecks

I have them in my family One is my brother in law an avid bush supporter who has just fessed up to molesting my 12 year old niece

[Loonman]

224. I look at it this way

The longer Janeane spends time on the air, the less time she's in Hollywood making crap movies.

[Teaser]

228. Yes, you are.

So there.

Just kidding. Living up to my handle and all.

[doni_georgia]

229. From redneck capital of the world

I am surrounded by rednecks - so I find it hard to be offended by anyone bashing them. Example: Redneck asshole down the street has his garage painted in motif of rebel flag, has every Confederate flag known to man hanging from flag pole in front yard, and at Christmas decorates house with xmas lights in design of rebel flag. Bash away!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

230. i live on the wv-ky border

and believe me, redneck assholes are not going to be coming to our side under any scenario. they suffer from a form of mental illness brought on by generations of successive inbreeding

and in defense of janeane, if she would waste time doing stuff my ky zine, she obviously can make the distinction that not evryone in appalachia or the the deep south is an ignorant hillbilly