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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 04:30 PM
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One lie is a sign for others, Bush has a credibility Problem; toss in
Respect too.

Now the media is hot on the trail, some suggesting the SHRUB KNEW he was lying. OH BOY, the fireworks on the 4th was nothing compared to the show coming up.

Rummy the Dummy trying to spin it out now on MSNBC. The man looks stressed/worried/flummoxed. Almost Nixonesque even.


Come, bring the beer and chips, Tucker about to eat the shoes on TV, so they say.... HHMMMMMmmmmmmm

on second thought, EEEWwwwwwwwwwwww
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:42 PM
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1. Should I reconnect my cable now?
I don't want to miss the fireworks. :bounce:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:03 PM
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6. Better hurry, looks like a doozey coming up
Can we say UNRAVEL??

Come, I got the ribs and chips
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yolatengo Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:48 PM
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2. meme
They keep telling everyone that NO ONE CARES that they
lied. Articles everywhere say this (including Salon
today, which gives a biological/sociological explanation
as to why no one cares).

Talking to others, I'm inclined to believe it; no one
DOES seem to care. But the Salon article suggests that's
because it's not shoved down our throats 24/7. If it IS,
things may change dramatically. I think the Bushistas are
thinking they should get out way ahead of this, hoping people
will get bored/annoyed if it continues (meme: what's done
is done and our attention span rivals a gnat).

Perhaps Dems should've hidden all evidence as to lying
until about Sep 2004 and used about $100 million in campaign
funds to blitz it until election day. I have a bad feeling
that if you bring this up next Nov, people will say "that
was soooooo long ago! The war's been over for 18 months,
who cares? Bush says he's going to cut taxes 'permanently
forever'! And the war with Syria is going well! On to
Damascus!

Bigby
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:07 PM
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7. Could be you are correct: evidence is on your side
People are EMOTIONAL. They believe what they want to, facts not withstanding.

Bush also said God speaks to him.... hhhmmmmm, another lie?

Still, there is something here and no one dares predict the out come. However, there is the Murphy Factor from his firm of Murphy and Murphy. The House of Cards is but a pile of cards stacked. How long before something moves?

Come, we set up the cameras to document the FALL.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:06 PM
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15. Only one glitch in the sweep it all under the flying carpet idea
It won't go off the radar screen until no more soldiers die in Iraq.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:15 PM
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16. YUp, its confusion for Bush time. Painted into a skinny corner
damned if you do and damned if you don't

If we leave Iraq, we lose face

If we stay, the body bag count will rise.

Oh Lordy, what to do what to do????

You jus know the White House Basement gang upped the Prozac order and more coffee to boot.

By the skip load no less.. Beep beep beep. *(to the forklift driver::::::) "Hey, Please bring the skip over here"
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bunk76 Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:49 PM
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3. Clinton's fault....Clinton's fault......
"in 1998,my predecessor relied on the same intelligence information".
A lying sack of s**t in Pretoria. :puke:
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:53 PM
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4. Yeah, I heard that
like the time he tried to pin it on Ann Richards.

He needs his butt kicked around the block. ;-)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:12 PM
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9. Ann Richards, the best damn Gov Texas ever had
but the victim of the Bush smear campaign. She is the Annica of politics done in by an ammateur cheerleader, piss on Bush
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:55 PM
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5. Yep
The republican talking heads were using that one yesterday as the story was breaking....

Short memories....Clinton used cruise missles to take out Al Queda training camps and a suspected chemical weapons factory based on the same intelligence data. The repubs then EXCORIATED CLINTON for bombing what they called an Asperin Factory. Blamed Clinton for not knowing........but now the worm has turned...."Clinton believed it so I did too."

Talk about having it both ways!!!!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:14 PM
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10. Pubs are so into spin their asses emulate a revolving neutron star
Come, we find a grain of Truth and apply Miricle Grow
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:10 PM
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8. The Same?? But Clinton didn't use it , did he?
Can we guess Bill's filter for fraud much better than the shrubs?

Come, I got the ice for the Beer.
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:47 PM
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13. And he started a ground invasion, too? eom
eom
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:59 PM
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14. with a lot of resulting deaths/wounded I might add
what did JC say ?: "Let Ceasars things be Ceasar"

Meaning, we unilateri;y stormed into another country without going through the proper channels: we skirted the LAWs of the United Nations.

Our credibility is now in tatters but the shrub don give a rats ass. Bad sign here, that he is outta control.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:37 PM
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11. Toss this in

this is another example of how much Bush is concerned with facts when it comes to killing people.

http://www.powells.com/portal/Politics.html

The Texas Clemency Memos


by Alan Berlow

As the legal counsel to Texas Governor George W. Bush, Alberto R. Gonzales — now the White House counsel, and widely regarded as a likely future Supreme Court nominee — prepared fifty-seven confidential death-penalty memoranda for Bush's review. Never before discussed publicly, the memoranda suggest that Gonzales repeatedly failed to apprise Bush of some of the most salient issues in the cases at hand


On the morning of May 6, 1997, Governor George W. Bush signed his name to a confidential three-page memorandum from his legal counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, and placed a bold black check mark next to a single word: DENY. It was the twenty-ninth time a death-row inmate's plea for clemency had been denied in the twenty-eight months since Bush had been sworn in. In this case Bush's signature led, shortly after 6:00 P.M. on the very same day, to the execution of Terry Washington, a mentally retarded thirty-three-year-old man with the communication skills of a seven-year-old.

Washington's death was barely noted by the media, and the governor's office issued no statement about it. But the execution and the three-page memo that sealed Washington's fate — along with dozens of similar memoranda prepared for Bush — speak volumes about the way the clemency process was approached both by Bush and by Gonzales, the man most often mentioned as the President's choice for the next available seat on the Supreme Court.


During Bush's six years as governor 150 men and two women were executed
...more..




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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:44 PM
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12. First frogs, then humans, now whole cities and villages.
Can this Idiot do it or what?

and the worst part. ... we Americans seem oblivious to this madman in charge. How LOLO can we be?

Does America need a counselor skilled in group therapy? Madness rules here
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:29 PM
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17. I hope it builds slowly, is not over in a flash.
The payoff is not impeachment (think Cheney), it's the 2004 election. And it's not just getting a Dem elected (and a Dem Congress), it's what the Dems will say, and what they will take action on. We need a long, drawn-out scandal that will tar the entire Dubya gang, and ensure that GOP Congresspeople will either go down with the Bushista ship or become the type of me-tooers that so many Dems have been for the last three years.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:35 PM
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18. agreed
IMO the dems are playing this just right. They are watching and waiting for the truth to come out and letting the bastards cook slow so everyone can watch and learn and find out what these fascists are really about.

I really, really hope that America grows from all of this and never forgets it.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:41 PM
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19. The Watergate took a year or two, now its the Pubs turn
They being the guilty guys for foisting this mediocre shrub onto us. The war dat supposed to make room on Mt Rushmore fer Bush turns out to be a total fuck up.

When arrogant leaders delve into fantasy, shit happens
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:44 PM
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20. BTW, the parents/spouses/orphans/friends of those killed/wounded
in this fiasco must be furious they got had by the Fraudulent Bush

He LIED, our good folks DIED

Damn, how on Earth can these Pubs sleep?
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