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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 05:47 AM Original message |
Did Dean "misspeak" about Social Security in his response to Kucinich? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. yes I remmeber him saying it |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Howard "tap dancing" Dean. On MTP said he'd consider raising it. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 06:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. He tried to make a fool out of Dennis.. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 06:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. True, on both counts. |
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searchingforlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 07:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. No, at the end of his answer he said he wouldn't take it back to 65. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
35. The Republicans were already having a hay-day with this one |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Youch! |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
5. Early in the 90s... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 07:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Thanks w13rd0 ! |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 07:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No "clarification" of his "misspeaking" there. |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The quote you are referring to... |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The quote is from the 90s? Or last month? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Dennis said Dean WANTS to raise the age limit and cut benefits. |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's not what Dean said. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. That is what he said. |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Can you show me in the transcript where he says "last resort"? |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The quote you are referrencing... |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. more dupin |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. dupe |
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UnapologeticLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
69. He did not deny that he supported raising it to 68 |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. Raising retirement age is ONLY solution, - should be at 70 by 2043 |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. So why did he DENY it last night? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. That's what the DLC says |
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UnapologeticLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
72. I think both may be necessary |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. But there are no JOBS, dammit! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. It's not really so much a question of "jobs" ... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Boy you would think that if a business owner could |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. "Would" or "could"? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Let's see. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. I (almost fully) agree. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. we could simply mandate that free-market corporations |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. A "fiscal timebomb" whose fuse is shortened with every taxcut... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I see it beginning to implode in 2014. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
38. We must get an anti-age discrimination law with some teeth, |
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UnapologeticLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
70. I agree |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
12. It's not "misspeaking" if he meant to say it. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Please, people - wake up to the REAL Dean! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. just another politician |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. When you lecture us about honesty |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. In 1995, he said he wanted to raise the age to 70. |
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indigo32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. Dean is playing it smart |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Dean painted it like he absolutely wouldn't. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I heard Dean say this again on Russert - LAST MONTH |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. He said he would leave open the option of raising the age one year. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. How would DK like it if Dean pulled the same crap on him |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Don't forget about his support for a Flag Burning amendment |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
20. It depends on what the definition of "entertain" is... |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 08:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It doesn't really matter, for me. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. facts are stubborn this |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. entertain has a pretty standard meaning |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
26. Per DK- Enough money in SS for solvency until 2041 |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Social security is solvent to 2041 because |
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samurai_jack (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
30. ummm |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Exactly. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
31. Here's the entire quote where he said he would entertain raising it |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. So where does he say he wants to cut benefits and raise the age limit? |
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RevolutionStartsNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
34. Dean supporter here |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
37. Deleted message |
killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. At what point was that again? |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Yes, several years ago... |
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gully (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
42. Lets see the links about what Dean said please... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
43. He didn't lie, but it will look waffley. Not from 1995, but MTP (nt) |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. First TR & then DK played "Gotcha" with him. |
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samurai_jack (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. yeah, bullsh!+ |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Oh I agree, it can and will be pulled on every candidate (nt) |
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Nazgul35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
47. How's about a little perspective here... |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 10:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. Dennis doesn't know the Constitution |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. With all the attention on Dean, the going-to-war votes have been forgotten |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Get used to it |
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Quahog (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm looking at this from a slightly different angle |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Deleted message |
Quahog (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-06-03 02:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. That's SO constructive |
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