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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:22 PM
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Powell CAUGHT in web of lies???
Colin Powell, on Fox News Sunday in early June, talking about preparation for his UN presentation on February 5, 2003:

"We spent four days and nights out at the CIA, making sure that whatever I said was supported by our intelligence holdings. Because it wasn't the president's credibility and my credibility on the line; it was the credibility of the United States of America."

When was the State of the Union? January 28, 2003 - only 7 days before Powell's presentation at the UN.

So, Mr. Secretary, WHAT FOUR DAYS did you & your staff spend at the CIA? Was it in the 7 days between your UN address and the State of the Union address where the President misled the country?

Did you know, via the 4 days spent at CIA, that the Niger information was false? Was that BEFORE the State of the Union address on January 28, 2003?

I hope Levin calls Powell to testify.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:42 PM
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1. From Newsweek
"Presented with a "script" by the White House national-security staff, Powell suspected that the hawks had been "cherry-picking," looking for any intel that supported their position and ignoring anything to the contrary. For four days and nights, Powell and Tenet, top aides and top analysts and, from time to time, national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice, pored over the evidence-and discarded much of it. Out went suggestions linking Saddam to 9-11. The bogus Niger documents were dumped."

http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20030601/01jun2003120457.html

Sounds like this information was easily accessible at the CIA on February 4, 2003...why not on January 27, 2003?????

C'mon media, wake up!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:42 PM
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2. good point

didn't know about the "4 days" bit and the timeline. Lovely work jackstraw45


????four days to make sure what he was saying was "supported by our intelligence holdings". four days of BBBT&M.

what the hell are "holdings"?
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:44 PM
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3. Stonewall.
They think they can beat Weaponsgate: dodge questions, rewrite history, claim that the questioners are rewriting history (as Condi Rice just did), and so on.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:48 PM
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4. Timeline doesn't add up....
If they could throw out false intelligence on February 4, 2003 why not on January 27, the day before the SOTU???

This is the BIG question, IMO.


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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:54 PM
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5. Powell has lied since his Vietnam My Lai coverup
Colin Powell served in a higher level position for this Vietnam military massacre unit...

he lied about what happened here, and covered it up for his superiors...

Powell has no moral authority to speak for the United States of America (especially before the world, in the UN)...he should have been disciplined for his part in this horror...

or resigned in shame...and who knows how many more unreported massacres occurred in Vietnam due to Powell's failure to take action on My Lai....

here is a graphic depiction of the massacre from Time magazine

http://pathfinder.com/photo/essay/mylai/mylaihp.htm


-snip-

Several months later, the Americal's brutality would become a moral test for Major Powell, too.

A letter had been written by a young specialist fourth class named Tom Glen, who had served in an Americal mortar platoon and was nearing the end of his Army tour. In the letter to Gen. Creighton Abrams, the commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam, Glen accused the Americal division of routine brutality against civilians.

Glen's letter was forwarded to the Americal headquarters at Chu Lai where it landed on Major Powell's desk.

"The average GI's attitude toward and treatment of the Vietnamese people all too often is a complete denial of all our country is attempting to accomplish in the realm of human relations," Glen wrote.

"Far beyond merely dismissing the Vietnamese as 'slopes' or 'gooks,' in both deed and thought, too many American soldiers seem to discount their very humanity; and with this attitude inflict upon the Vietnamese citizenry humiliations, both psychological and physical, that can have only a debilitating effect upon efforts to unify the people in loyalty to the Saigon government, particularly when such acts are carried out at unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Glen's letter contended that many Vietnamese were fleeing from Americans who “for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves.” Gratuitous cruelty was also being inflicted on Viet Cong suspects, Glen reported.

“Fired with an emotionalism that belies unconscionable hatred, and armed with a vocabulary consisting of 'You VC,' soldiers commonly 'interrogate' by means of torture that has been presented as the particular habit of the enemy. Severe beatings and torture at knife point are usual means of questioning captives or of convincing a suspect that he is, indeed, a Viet Cong. ...

“It would indeed be terrible to find it necessary to believe that an American soldier that harbors such racial intolerance and disregard for justice and human feeling is a prototype of all American national character; yet the frequency of such soldiers lends credulity to such beliefs. ...

“What has been outlined here I have seen not only in my own unit, but also in others we have worked with, and I fear it is universal. If this is indeed the case, it is a problem which cannot be overlooked, but can through a more firm implementation of the codes of MACV (Military Assistance Command Vietnam) and the Geneva Conventions, perhaps be eradicated."


Powell's Response

The letter's troubling allegations were not well received at Americal headquarters.

Major Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen's letter, but did so without questioning Glen or assigning anyone else to talk with him. Powell simply accepted a claim from Glen's superior officer that Glen was not close enough to the front lines to know what he was writing about, an assertion Glen denies.

After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

"In direct refutation of this portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

Powell's findings, of course, were false, though they were exactly what his superiors wanted to hear.

It would take another Americal hero, an infantryman named Ron Ridenhour, to piece together the truth about the atrocity at My Lai. After returning to the United States, Ridenhour interviewed Americal comrades who had participated in the massacre.

On his own, Ridenhour compiled this shocking information into a report and forwarded it to the Army inspector general. The IG's office conducted an aggressive official investigation, in marked contrast to Powell's review.

Confirming Ridenhour's report, the Army finally faced the horrible truth. Courts martial were held against officers and enlisted men who were implicated in the murder of the My Lai civilians.

After the scandal broke, Powell pleaded ignorance about the actual My Lai massacre.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/121700b.html
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:59 PM
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6. Excellent point
If you haven't written Levin, maybe now is the time!!!
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:05 PM
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7. I did...
but I'm just one person....

The key dates are January 28, 2003 (SOTU) and February 5, 2003 (Powell at UN). How was it good intelligence on January 28 and thrown out on February 5, 2003?

This isn't about Powell alone.

It's about Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Powell, Wolfowitz - the whole regieme.

CALL Levin's office, CALL Byrd's office...write them.

Levin, Carl - (D - MI)
(202) 224-6221
levin.senate.gov/contact.htm

Byrd, Robert - (D - WV)
(202) 224-3954
byrd.senate.gov/byrd_email.html


And while we're at it:

Rockefeller, John - (D - WV)
(202) 224-6472
E-mail: senator@rockefeller.senate.gov



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:13 PM
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10. I wrote them first thing this morning
I wrote them about Bush and his "I decided" comment. I thought Congress was supposed to decide about war. I think I better wait a day or two to hammer on this Colin Powell intelligence, don't want to be a kook, plus it streams in daily that way. Then I think I'm going to put together a snail mail on all this new stuff to back up stuff I sent them in May. I also send to Graham and Harman.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:34 PM
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12. Great!
But if you're sending snail mail, don't send it to the DC offices....it will take many many weeks to get there due to irradiation.

Faxing works well or send it to your local office.

Keep up the great work!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:06 PM
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8. Fall guy?
Maybe that's why they're letting him shoot off his mouth without handlers.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:11 PM
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9. Colon Polyp is a web of lies
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 01:12 PM by GreenArrow
When does he ever tell the truth about anything?
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:15 PM
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11. Not just powell....
The newsweek story has all the players at the CIA sometime BEFORE February 5, 2003 debunking intelligence that was presented as FACT on January 28, 2003.

This could bring down the whole cabal...Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Powell, and even Smirk.

4 DAYS at the CIA pouring over intelligence - WHEN? Before the SOTU?

If after, WHY NOT a few days earlier before the SOTU?

This STINKS of high crimes boys and girls. Hundreds of soldiers dead, thousands of Iraqi's dead. BILLIONS of dollars spent.

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:51 PM
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13. Excellent post jack
Somebody in the Press needs to go to work on this.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:29 PM
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14. Congress needs to step up...
the hearings today are a good start but there are some SERIOUS questions that need answering.

This Powell/CIA/SOTU/UN Presentation item doesn't seem too big here but I think it has potential to be a smoking gun.

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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:15 PM
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15. kicking
:kick:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:22 PM
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16. Bush and his entire gang now look like the crooks/liars they are
Credibilty in shreds

Respect gone too

The pubs who hired Bush got fooled, are they mad too they got had. That goes for both the voters and the high up Pubs who killed off McCains Prez run 3 years ago. All this comes back to not only haunt them, but really discredit/hurt them as well.

I can see those Pubs on the golf course when a lib member reminds them of their shitty choice. THAT will be a killer for the CLAP to take heat for a losing bet. Bush was a poor choice/bet and they fell for the sell.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:34 PM
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17. Thanks Bush Evil empire for putting the "credibility" of the
United States in the crapper. That was very "patriotic" of you bunch of lying assholes. I believe in Karma and these bastards will get theirs.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:52 PM
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18. Still wondering...
Well Colin?

:kick:
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