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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:13 PM
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ABC News: Lugar wants to convene hearings on July Iraq handover.
Edited on Sun Apr-04-04 06:14 PM by buycitgo
I just saw Stephie saying that to the newsbimbette on the Sunday News, after briefly rehashing some stuff from the This Week show, in which ALL the participants (Will, Zakaria, Albright, Steph, and Lugar himself) basically agreed that things are very very bad there, going to get much much worse, and there is NOT a single thing we can do about it, aside from bringing in some sort of International Fool's Brigade, and that's NOT going to happen, IMO.

btw, here's what Lugar had to say about His Chimpiness' contact with the Senate about this unimportant little June/July milestone:

Senator Lugar, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, revealed to the apparent astonishment of Georgie S. that he has not had any discussion with the Bush Administration regarding this turnover, set to occur on June 30.

Georgie stuttered out, "But, but, but, you're the CHAIRMAN of the Foreign Relations Committee, and no one has even TALKED to you about it?"

Lugar, so mellowed out that he is known in the Senate as "Dead Man Walking Dick", responded "Nope, I have the same information that you do. The date."

http://www.apj.us/punditpap.html

now, am I wrong, or are these putative hearings totally ANATHEMA to what these Clotheless Emperors want us to believe is happening?

did anybody see Peter King on CapGang last night, speedtalking like I've NEVER EVER seen him (sure sign of someone who doesnt' believe a word he's saying) still trying to paint the rosy scenario, in the face of an exteremely grim reality?

wonder what they'll try to do about these socalled hearings

I hope it gets discussed, at least, cause I can't imagine the junta allowing them to take place
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:15 PM
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1. what I meant to say is that Lugar wants to consider EXTENDING
the deadline!

as IF

doesn't he realize that they CAN't do that?

extending it to WHEN?

a month?

two? threee?

it's going to blow up in their faces, no matter what they do

how many people were killed today in that demonstration?

what do you think is going to happen in the face of that?

can you say "crispy critter" in Arabic?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:50 PM
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8. from LBN, more quotes and stuff
"This is a huge new exposure of Americans," Lugar told ABC television's This Week.

"At this point, I would have thought there would have been a more comprehensive plan."

Delaware Senator Joseph Biden, the top Democrat on the committee, echoed Lugar's concerns about the administration's post-occupation plans.

He told Fox News Sunday the training of Iraqi forces would take years, not months.

"We're going to end up with a civil war in Iraq if in fact we decide we can turn this over, including the bulk of the security, to the Iraqis between now and then," he said.

Iraq has seen some of its worst violence in the past month

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9192814%255E...

Transcript: Gingrich, Biden on 'Fox News Sunday'

BIDEN: We not only don't know the panel, we don't know what the follow-on entity for Bremer is going to be.

Who is going to be the one, when Chalabi cuts his deal with Sistani that eviscerates part of the constitution we think is necessary for a republican form of government in Iraq to take place, who is going to be the one to march in and tell them, "Fellows, back in the tent, and figure out another way," just like we did in Afghanistan with Karzai? Who's going to deliver that message?

Do we want that being an American ambassador delivering that message, an American ambassador who has the largest embassy in the world with 1,000 Americans and 2,000 nationals in that embassy? It seems to me that's counterintuitive.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116103,00.html

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:19 PM
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2. Isn't delaying the turnover simply giving in to terrorists.
After all, that's what they said about Spain's change in course.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:24 PM
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4. how on earth can they justify any delay
both from a credibility standpoint, as if they ever had any to begin with

AND from an electoral stragety standpoint

they have to get out ASAP, and hope the whole thing doesn't turn completely to the hell-on-earth that it surely WILL, no matter WHEN we get out

and don't you think they aren't very well aware of this

that's why they might try ANYTHING here on the homefront to maintain power

thinking another MIHOP, leading to martial law/suspension of elections?

think that's nuts?

don't you think THEY're nuts?

as in criminally insane?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:31 PM
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6. Wonder how our "embassey" personnel will like living in their fortress?
I hope our best and brightest Republicans volunteer for duty there.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:21 PM
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3. I don't think Sistani is going to budge
It was hard enough to just get him to sign the Interim Constitution. I don't think he is going to allow an extension.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:26 PM
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5. you're right about that, and that 30 year old maniac
has a pretty big militia, doesn't he?

he's NUTS, too, and looks to be spoiling for a confrontation

where are those rose petals NOW, Mr. Perle?

Mr. Frumscum?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 06:45 PM
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7. so, what are the political ramifications of this move on Lugar's part?
what, exactly, would such hearings hope to accomplish?

will they necessitate looking into just what the F is going on there, and WHY the deadline needs to be extended

isn't it OBvious that any investigation into the reality over there can only redound to the discredit of these venal, swinish buffoons?

what's Lugar thinking about?

I sure hope Kerry's band of bros is on top of this, and is speaking to Lugar as I type this

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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 07:07 PM
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9. I don't understand the blather about the turn over date.
The new Iraqi government will do as it is told or it will be removed. According to Wolfowitz, nothing will change in our military posture after the turn over, US troops will still be responsible for security, it will just be at the request of the new "sovereign" government.
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