I live near a bridge, and I would burn and hang the bodies of occupiers

[homelandpunk]

on that bridge, given the chance. And then I would dance.
And you are full of dung if you think you would not be happy to participate as well.
All this BS indignation about those "barbarous animals" is laughable.
I am one of those animals. So are you.
If we had oppressive occupiers in our country who had invaded without provocation, what do you think would be taking place?
Give me a break. And I mean a BIG freakin break, already.
And to any of the freepin' lurkers who are so "offended" by the recent images, I invite you to go jump off a bridge...but before you do, tell me how happy you would be to appease occupying hordes of warmongers, and then tell me with a straight face that "no matter how bad it got, no american you know would sink so low as to burn corpses of occupying oppressors and hang them from a bridge". Just shut up already, lying hypocrite.

[ithacan]

1. but, but, but

Saddam was an evil dictator!!!

And Iraqis really do love us, they really do want to shower our troops with flowers!!!

President Bush told me so!!!

[NMDemDist2]

2. thank you... I got booed when i applauded the gal in Apocolpse Now

when she threw the genade at the helicopter. But if a helicopter of a foreign invader landed at my house and i had a grenade....

[Must_B_Free]

4. And this is an ethic that is valued and respected in our culture

it's the "right thing to do" to defend yourself.

We look down on pacifists as "weak".

We respect those who defend themselves - even if it is vigilant justice.

[buycitgo]

24. If I had a Rocket Launcher........Bruce Cockburn

Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate
http://cockburnproject.net/songs&music/iiharl.html

much much much more heartrending when heard

it's about Central America, but hey

''If the shoe flits, well it''--Richard Nixon, 1974

[mike_c]

3. actually, I'm already planting flowers to throw at their feet....

Right. That's the ticket.

Being Amerikan, your proposed scenario doesn't apply to me. My defense of my country is a divine right. On the other hand, ANYONE ELSE'S defense of their country against Amerikans is evil, animalistic, and deserving of overwhelming violent retaliation.

God told me this, so don't even try to refute it.

[arcane1]

5. amen, brother

amen

[sir_captain]

6. i dunno...there's a difference

between understanding and sympathizing with the plight of Iraqis and not being saddened by what happened. I don't think the families of the victims would find your position terribly comforting, you know?

Look, nobody should have their corpse mutilated and displayed like that. I'm not saying Americans wouldn't do the same thing if they were in the same position--some probably would. But two wrongs doesn't make a right, and I don't see how this issue has anything to do with the politics of why we're there in the first place.

edit: i agree with you all that the iraqis have a good deal to be angry about, etc, etc. i just can't quite agree with your sentiment.

[SemperEadem]

10. I'm sure the families of the Iraqis aren't comforted by our

killing off their innocent family members either.

They knew it was a war zone... they weren't at Disneyland, for chrissakes! War is hell and this is a hell of our country's making.

[sir_captain]

12. have a little human decency

this has nothing to do with whether or not the iraqis are comforted. two wrongs don't make a right! just because we're wrong for being there doesn't mean that it's ok for you to crow about how it's ok to mutilate people. give me a break.

[SemperEadem]

22. I have a first amendment right to crow about anything I wish

just as you have the right to cackle about what you wish and the responsibility not to read what I write...

censorship does not belong to you, s0n.

[sir_captain]

27. don't be ridiculous

no one is censoring you. don't give yourself so much credit. you can write whatever garbage you want, and i can say whatever i want about it too, son.

[WillyBrandt]

30. The fool has the right to call himself a martyr

Nobody is saying the FBI should be called because of what you post. (Did you wrestle straw-men in high school?) Just where exactly did anyone say your comments were illegal?

Well, of course nobody did. Rather, your post reveled in muck and stupidity, and you got called out on it. Nobody is denying your right to wallow in the mud--they're just exercizing their own right to call a pig a pig.

[DulceDecorum]

18. When you say nobody, does that include

Saddam Hussein's two sons?

[sir_captain]

20. yes

of course it does. did you see me defending what we've done over there?

[mike1963]

29. Mutilated corpses? One could make the case that autopsies are mutilation.

What about cremation? Or a body donated to a med school (as my dad did)...some 19 year old medical students chopped him to pieces.

Look, a dead body is just that...dead. It can't feel pain or be offended. All this hand-wringing over what happened to dead flesh is idiotic. Sure, it's icky, but in whatever grand scheme as may exist, it means nothing, zero, zip, nada.

One thing that seems TRULY offensive to me is that people will shell out thousands of bucks for a "hermetically sealed" coffin, apparently in hopes it will last forever and deny the worms their due. What horse shit.

:grr: :eyes:

[Katherine2]

7. Of course you're right

and they have every legal right under international law to resist their occupiers. And I feel the same way about the 300,000 that died after the first Gulf War, when Poppy Bush told them to overthrow Saddam and the Bush bagged on them and they were killed. Obviously, if 300,000 armed Americans tried to overthrow our government, Bush would have the army fight and kill them. I'm sorry they died, and that they were hung out to dry by Poppy, but I don't think their deaths should be treated as an atrocity by Saddam.

As far as the freepers go, they are worse than the Iraqis. The things they propose doing to Iraqis are far more disgusting than anything the Iraqis could dream up or accomplish.

[WillyBrandt]

8. Wipe the blood from your mouth

What a disgusting sentiment. I think I understand Hannah Arendt's point about extremists of all political stripes meeting in their hatred and in their trumpeting of ideology over life.

[sir_captain]

9. Nicely put, Willy

I can always count on you to put into words what I'm trying to say :-)

[Karenina]

16. Everything seems to be about

IMPOSING some standard of behaviour by those doing the hacking upon a people who are being HACKED, TO DEATH- not to mention bombed, shot, starved and poisoned.

[sir_captain]

19. wait, let me get this straight

"standard of behaviour"?
so you're saying that everyone gets to decide their own basic standards--like whether or not it's ok to mutilate someone? so if i don't like the American laws about murdering people, I can go do what I want because it doesn't fit my "standard?"

give me a break. that is so utterly ridiculous--once again, two wrongs do not make a right.

NOBODY has a right to treat ANY OTHER HUMAN in certain ways, and mutilating and displaying their bodies is one of those ways.

[texasdem99]

21. Excellent

Well said, very poignant.

[ShaneGR]

11. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....

No difference between an extremist on the left and an axtremist on the right.

NONE. This thread proves it.

[sir_captain]

14. you're totally right (nt)

[WillyBrandt]

15. They become what they mock

It's funny how the posters above would be the first to yell at the (all too true) disregard of death shown by the US in Iraq and elsewhere--but are the first to indulge it in when its pleases their ideological palate.

[jpgray]

13. Yep. Human nature is all too human

If they killed my family with bombs so they could rape my nation of its natural resources, I might be swept up in a mob mentality pretty easily. Especially if crime were now rampant and I needed an AK47 to defend myself and my loved ones from looting, drugs and crime.

edit: People who say they would never do such a thing I would wager have never lived in crushing poverty, or have had loved ones murdered indescriminately. To call those in Fallujah barbaric or inhuman is simply to admit that we refuse to empathize, or are unable to do so. This was a purely cruel human reaction to purely human cruelty.

[NightTrain]

17. Fuckin' aay!

Y'all wanna invade my town, y'all are gonna face opposition, baby!

[adriennui]

26. i assume you believe in th death penalty

after all if my house was robbed by a specific ethnic group it would give me the right to go after anyone of that nationality in my neighborhood i thought was threatening.

absurd? yes. the difference being i'm civilized and don't rejoice in the death and desecration of human beings.

[fishnfla]

23. Never in a million years

not me, no way. never.

[Skittles]

25. sorry, I would take them prisoners

and no way could I celebrate in such a manner over death. I will have lost all sense of humanity by then.

[buycitgo]

28. here's an idea.....the nazis used it a lot

round up some Fallujah townspeople

shoot forty of them on the spot

then tell em that for every mercenary death, we'll kill ten of them, and for every GI, it'll be a HUNDRED!

that should work pretty well; win the hearts and minds, STS

can't wait to see what the goon squad comes up with a suitable response

[trumad]

31. Simple question folks

if the good old US of A was attacked and then occupied and you knew that the occupier who has invaded your country and has killed your brothers and sisters, you knew that the only thing that would get rid of this occupier would be to effect public opinion in that occupiers homeland, and you knew from recent history that dragging occupiers bodies through the street does indeed change public opinion in occupiers homeland and will hasten said occupier out of your country, would you drag the occupiers body through the street?

I'd do it in a fucking second... Remember folks, this is their country not ours.... For those of you chiming up above that this is leftie extremism, Bullshit. It's a simple question... what would you do to get your freedom from an occupier? Period