Bill Kristol on Fox just said re: Fallujah

[booksenkatz]

...that we should have gone in immediately and KILLED the people who were *celebrating* the death of the Americans. You may argue that celebrating the death of any human being is distasteful, but KILLING them for doing so...?
:wow:

Once again, we want to go after someone merely for what they are THINKING. Anti-Bush, anti-American, anti-American-flag thoughts are not allowed, you know.

[jean]

1. Love your Ann Richards avatar! And Kristol's attitude is

that we should annihilate our enemies ala Ann Coulter?

This is a far cry from winning hearts and minds and being greeted with showers or rose petals!

[zulchzulu]

2. Mr. PNAC needs a laugh track when he talks on Faux Snooze Sunday panel

I'd be glad to supply the laughter.

His snide little attack on Kerry saying "he went skiing for a week and then came back to criticize Bush..."

The guy is a dirtbag.

[holeinboatoutatsea]

3. I'm no fan of Kristol, but

I have a problem with this portion of your post:

"Once again, we want to go after someone merely for what they are THINKING."

They were not merely thinking. They were setting bodies on fire, dismembering them, and hanging parts from bridges.

[Catch22Dem]

5. I think the poster was referring to

The ones who were't actually doing anything other than cheering. I think the "mob" mentality is truly fascinating. Don't get me wrong though, I think the people who did this to those contractors are truly despicable, and you can find plenty of evidence of this in some of my posts from the past 48 hours. However, to go in and just start killing people because they were there and celebrating would be to do exactly what the poster suggested. Since they didn't actually do anything, it would be killing them for THINKING that it was a good thing to kill those civilians.

[holeinboatoutatsea]

6. I see your point

thanks for clarifying.

[booksenkatz]

11. Yes, that's exactly what I meant!

Thanks for the clarification. Of *course* I believe that desecrating those bodies was horrendous. So was going into Iraq. This is a war that we ASKED for. If you beat the hornet's nest, I can't cry too hard when you get the living shit stung out of you.

[Carolina]

20. exactly

war is hell. It's ugly and it's full of death and destruction. Remember, too, the adage: all's fair in love and WAR.

Well, as ugly as what happened was, what we have done to innocent Iraqis is equally, if not more, ugly. Some of our repellent actions just don't get the same media coverage. Or better still, when we kill them, it's a glorious thing.

I daresay we are reaping the fruits of our labors or yet again: you reap what you sow.

[maveric]

34. The bodies of mercenaries who invaded their country.

Americans or not they were mercenaries and they weren't there to lend a helpful hand to the locals either.

Lets say that Russian and China built a coalition and they invaded and occupied the US, using similar tactics that are being used against the Iraqis right now. Would you just sit down and "play nice" with the invaders of your country or would you show resistance?

Think out of the box sometime and envision how you would feel in the Iraqis shoes.

Kristol is PNAC warmongering fascist.

[underpants]

4. That shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation

I think you can file this along side "Clinton should have sent troops into Sudan".

Sending troops in there would have created a catastrophy. There would have been full scale chaos and mob attacks. Mr.Kristol needs some more education on what to do in mob mentality situations. Of course if he had any understanding of what it takes to occupy an entire country (the size of California as they like to say in regards to finding WMD) he might not have been so gungho about the war in the first place.

There should be retribution and the guilty should be rounded up but that was not the time to do it. Kristol is a moron.

[bahrbearian]

12. I don't have my Chickenhawks cards handy ,which one is Bill.

[bahrbearian]

15. Here they are, and I can not believe that the Author of PNAC

is not on em',I can't find where he ever served!!!

[NNN0LHI]

16. He avoided the draft during Vietnam

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks%3BPropaganda%20Platoon

Name: William "Bill" Kristol
Born: 1953 +/-
Employer: The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: The son of the “godfather of neoconservatism,” he’s smooth talker, but he never walked the walk in the glorious crusade against Charlie. Bill - where were ya?

[charlie]

25. His pops oughta be ashamed

of his soft pudgy progeny:

In this connection Kristol presented to members of the Philadelphia Society a rather shocking notion: A country needs a war now and then to maintain its proper spirit, to acclimate its young to the requirements of national unity and loyalty. American conservatives, who tended to embrace George Washington’s idea of a largely isolationist foreign policy for the United States, found this a very odd idea. Many of them, especially those of a strong libertarian bent, consider it an obscene notion – have wars for purposes of consciousness raising, inspiring our youth? How crassly utilitarian could one become?

Now why am I recalling this frightening talk from Irving Kristol over a decade ago? It is because President George W. Bush is more and more often being referred to as a neo-conservative. It is not unlikely at all that one of the reasons for his eagerness to go to war against Iraq is akin to Irving Kristol’s.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/machan11.html

[bahrbearian]

28. Great link....they need to add a lot more cards to make the Deck.

[GordonOKC]

7. Kristol promoted

this war from the get-go. Another massacre will not wash the blood off Kristol's hands any quicker.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. Something about that part of the world that brings the Hatfield and

McCoys out of people.

[NNN0LHI]

9. Gee. I wonder if the Americans dropping the bombs during Shock & Awe...

...did any high fiving when they got back from their bombing runs? Or what about the soldiers that CNN keeps showing where a soldier who killed a wounded Iraqi laying on the ground just about had an orgasm after doing the deed? I guess that was OK.

Don

[booksenkatz]

10. Also

the Americans in their living rooms, hunkered eagerly around the television, beer in one hand, Hostess Ding Dong in the other hand. "Kick their ass and take their gas! Glass 'em! Wooooooooo-hoooo!"

[Bread and Circus]

13. Yeah, and this is one of the PNAC authors of our current doctrine...

[Cat Atomic]

14. Liberation, huh?

Notice how all the assholes that went on and on about liberation, and how it was our duty to go in and help the Iraqis, are now the people advocating genocide?

[Lefty48197]

17. Bill Kristol and his neocon buddies dreamed up the entire Iraqi invasion

are we supposed to all of the sudden start believing that he's NOT an idiot?

[Old and In the Way]

18. Why do Republican's hate America so much?

I'm wondering when we were fighting our war of liberation from British tyranny if more than a few German Hessians met a similar fate here? Too bad that our technology wasn't around 250 years ago to see how our nation's Forefathers felt about mercenaries doing King George's business in the colonies.

[oneighty]

23. Yes.

Back when 'Redcoat' was a dirty word and a target often shot at from an unseen location.

180

[T Bone]

36. Hessian Mercenaries and Tories here met a similar fate

This is why, if you study history, you will find that every time an empire turns to mercenaries to fight a conflict, the empire will definitely lose. In fact just turning to mercenaries means it is already lost. It is happening in Iraq. I could see it last summer when I learned over 35,000 of our 'regular' troops there come from Central America and the Phillipines, and are serving with some kind of guarantee of US citizenship being proffered to them and their families. (should they survive, of course)

In England during the Revolutionary period, there was an entire segment of the British polity that objected to the use of mercenaries in the American colonies as being a trade in human flesh, blood trade, terms like that were applied to it. Why did the Bristish resort to the continental mercenaries? Because they could NOT get enough British to volunteer, and local communities in Britain at that time objected vhehemently to local Bristish militias being used for the purpose of colonial wars here.

SOUND FAMILIAR? I guess what goes around comes around, even in historical contexts.

Edmund Burke and his minority factions in Britain were very much in touch with those sentiments and arguments in Britain at that time.

"A conscientous man would be cautious how he dealt in blood."
-Edmund Burke.

[kentuck]

19. That's the Repub response to every contradiction in their "reality"

Kill 'em all!

[charlie]

22. No, it's YOU go kill 'em all

and we'll cover your flanks with suppressing fire in the FOX/CNN studios. Godspeed, we're all in this together! HOO-ah!

[Yavin4]

21. IOW, We Should Do All of the Things That Saddam Did

Folks, we really, really, really need stronger words for hypocrsy and irony.

[PsN2Wind]

24. As always with these guys

the collective we, not we, as you and me. Used to have a friend like that, it was always "let's you and him fight".

[rustydog]

26. Give that gutless conning neo a gun and see if he has the BALLS

to do it.

the problem with these chicken hawks is they can't walk the talk. they have big mouths and enormous but fragile egoes yet, their spine crumbles when they are challenged.

To quote George Bush: To Kristol..Who cares what you think?

[Eroshan]

27. Obviously Kristol

has never studied man's inhumanity toward man. This has been the reaction for as long as there has been war. Humans tend to dehumanize the dead enemies they seek to destroy. Americans have done ala American Indians. We would go in and wipe out a whole village and then cut of body parts of the dead and wear them as souvenirs. It is broad historical knowledge that General Custer had the scrotum of an indigenous American he had slaughtered. I wonder what Kristol's perception of manifest destiny was. I would guess that he was all for it including the slaughter involved. This is the typical Republican justification that only their's is the "right" way and the only acceptable course. I guarantee our soldiers have spent moments cheering for the killing of their enemies as I have seen it on television.
This very mis perception of themselves is why I HATE republicans.

[xchrom]

29. species: lesser pnac primate

method of defence: flinging shit

[qanda]

30. I remember a certain population of people

Rejoicing at "shock and awe" about one year ago. I guess they thought those bombs were just blowing up sand. The hypocrisy is palpable.

[underpants]

31. The same crowd who didn't want the ugly pictures of WAR broadcast?

I believe it is the same crowd.

[Ravy]

32. I think everytime an innocent Iraqi is killed, Kristol should be kicked in

the balls for pushing for the policy.

Others more directly involved in implementing the policy should have years added to their prison sentences.

Wishful thinking.

[myomy]

33. Wonder how Kristol would feel if his country was invaded by "insurgents"?

...

[Must_B_Free]

35. YEP - KILLED the people who were *celebrating*

and then start celebrating