Who's looking forward to Condescenda testifying?

[Octafish]

It's going to be most interesting to hear what she has to say, as well as see how she says it. Politex counted three lies in 10 minutes from her 60 Minutes interview last weekend, reminding us that she wasn't under oath.

10 Minute Rice: Three Lies And No Apology

Condi Rice, Bush's National Security Adviser, appeared on 60 Minutes Sunday evening, but, unlike Bush anti-terrorism adviser Dick Clarke at the 9/11 Probe, she did not swear on the Bible that what she would say would be the truth. While Clarke on 60 Minutes last Sunday allowed himself to be probed and turned inside and out for nearly the entire program, the edited tape of the Rice interview with Ed Bradley lasted around 10 minutes, and she said nothing new. The short episode came across as political spin to control the bleeding, and nothing more.

Rice's Lie #1 (transcript)

DICK CLARKE (video):
I said 'Mr. President, we've done this before. We - we've been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind, there's no connection.' He came back at me and said, 'Iraq, Saddam - find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean, that we should come back with that answer....

CONDOLEEZZA RICE:
I - I have never seen the president say an - anything to an - people in an intimidating way, to try to get a particular answer out of them. I know this president very well. And the president doesn't talk to his staff in an intimidating way to ask them to produce information - that is false.

OUR RESPONSE:
Clarke and two others were in the room with Bush. The others have gone on record as agreeing with Clarke's description of the meeting. Condi was not present.

Rice's Lie #2 (transcript)

CONTINUED...

http://www.bushwatch.net/

Do you think Condi will lie more than a rate of 3 lies per 10 minutes? If not, what rate do you predict? Mine is she'll hit a rate of l0 lies per 10 minutes, or 1 LPM.

No matter what she says, she's going to end up showing the American people that Bush is an idiot, Cheney's in charge, and the whole freaking badministration are incompetent fools, at best; traitors, most likely.

EDIT: Forgot link. Uh.

[Skeptical Democrat]

1. I think she will give enough non-comittal answers to keep the lie rate

under one lie per minute. I think she will S-T-R-E-T-C-H her answers out better that that.

She WON'T give Bush away as a fool, nor will she give up that Cheney is in charge. You are fooling yourself with that talk.

[Octafish]

4. Smirk and Sneer will testify together.

That's what they got in exchange for giving up the "executive priviledge" claim on Condi's testimony. In asking for (and receiving) the right to make statements together in a criminal/military/political/counterterror investigation, they have admitted who's in charge. Cheney. Otherwise, why would an underling testify on his boss's behalf? Can't the crazy monkey talk?

Don't believe this fool? Fine. Read NEWSWEEK, a Washington Post company.

The Wizard of Oz Letter

Bush pulls back the curtain on who really runs the White House

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Eleanor Clift
Newsweek
Updated: 1:50 p.m. ET April 02, 2004

April 2 - This was the week the curtain got pulled back on the Bush presidency. In exchange for allowing Condoleezza Rice to testify under oath, President Bush gets to bring along his vice president when he appears privately before the commission.

A top Republican strategist dubbed the legal document striking the unusual deal “the Wizard of Oz letter” because it strips away the myth that Bush is in charge. Until now, it’s been all speculation about Vice President Cheney’s influence. With the revelation of the tandem testimony, nobody with a straight face can deny Cheney is a co-president or worse, the puppeteer who pulls Bush’s strings.

Aside from being fodder for the late-night comics, the arrangement confirms Bush’s inability to articulate anything without a script--or a tutor by his side. There’s a reason lawyers don’t take testimony in groups. The whole idea is to get individual recollections and then compare stories to uncover contradictions. Try thinking about it this way: can anyone imagine Bush’s father in a similar situation bringing his vice president? (For those who need a refresher course, the elder Bush was a rocket scientist compared to his son, and the vice president was Dan Quayle.)

This is a defining moment in the Bush presidency because it reveals weakness at the top.

CONTINUED...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4653858/

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, Skeptical Democrat.

[Skeptical Democrat]

11. Yes. I posted that same article in GD Campaign 2004

What a pitiful spectical that Cheney has to hold his hand in the 911 hearings for him to testify on what he knew:eyes:

And thanks for the welcome.

[Octafish]

12. What nostamj posted:

Cartoon by Ann Telnaes.

[Skeptical Democrat]

13. Apparently, I don't have permissions to access the cartoon

you posted

[Octafish]

14. Try this route...

http://www.anntelnaes.com/

Once there, go to the "By Date" section.

Then click March, 2004.

You'll see a miniature, as well as the other recent works by one of the most talented young cartoonists anywhere.

Good luck!

[nostamj]

21. here's the TOON

linking to Ann's site doesn't work. i use a link from cagle.slate.msn.com

[Octafish]

34. Thanks, Nosta!

You have no idea how much your cartoon edits are appreciated! Thank you for your dedication to the Truth.

[Arkana]

32. Crossfire

Yes, Paul Begala did a thoroughly vicious job on this.

"The President will testify in private, not under oath, and with the Vice President Dick Cheney. No word yet on whether or not Mr. Bush will bring his favorite feather pillow or his stuffed bear."

[LittleApple81]

20. From MTP today, I think the whole commission is rigged. Clinton's fault.nt

[Octafish]

35. Let 'em TRY to pin it on Big Dog.

Clinton made a mistake or two, but the guy had counter-terror at the top of his national security "To-Do List." OTOH, the crazy monkey doesn't even read the newspaper, how the hell was he to understand what all them big words like "Al-Quaeda" meant.

BTW: They said they wouldn't call any PRESENT White House officials to testify. They didn't say nothing about no FORMER WHOs. Ha ha ha ha (maniacal Democratic Donkey laugh)!!!!

[Eric J in MN]

2. All the pundits will applaud every word she says. They will say that her

All the pundits will applaud every word she says.

They will say that her wonderful testimony disproves Richard Clarke's and shows that George W. Bush made fighting terrorism a priority pre-9/11.

The pundits will say that her upcoming testimony somehow proves Clarke was wrong that she was unfamiliar with the term "Al Quaeda" the first time he used it to her.

Why on earth would one look forward to the bogus-punditry of next week?

[Octafish]

6. Look forward to how she's going to help sink the BFEE.

Because it's under oath, Condescenda will help pin all sorts of things on Bush.

Regardless of whether they are true or not: What she says will be in the public eye and ear.

And you know what? People will compare what she has to say to Clarke. I don't know about you, but I believe Clarke.

[Eric J in MN]

22. Of course, I believe Clarke and not Rice. But all the pundits will praise

Of course, I believe Clarke and not Rice. But all the pundits will praise Rice.

[KharmaTrain]

17. The Rising Of Lowered Expectations

This regime always gets a pass with just getting by.

All Condi will do is smile a lot, use lots of big words about nation security and tap dance and lie with a big smile on her face. While the words will be wrong, the smile is what will be send across the TV tubes.

The pisser is we should not judge her by her looks or that she's a woman...the underlying kid gloves the media will give her right off the bat (no one wants to see a "battered woman") and then as long as she doesn't get pissed off, she comes off as she's won.

This woman should be held accountable for gross negligence, not trumpted as some kinda hero.

[napi21]

3. She won't lie, or at least none that can be proven.....

She won't risk a purgery charge, not even for dear georgie. I suspect you'll hear a lot of spin and sorry, I can't answer that stuff, but nothing new.

I'm more interested in how much stuttering and er's, um's, and her body language. That's going to tell me more than her words.

[Octafish]

7. You got that right. It's a lot easier to lie in print...

... or on the telephone, or even on the radio, than it is in TV. It's probably better lie-detection technique than in-person interview, with replay.



Portraiture can be very accurate, jawohl?

[oasis]

5. Look for the rethug Gov. Thompson to set her up with a softball that she

can chew on while the clock ticks away. He's the one who publicly "exposed" Clarke's declassified "background" interview transcript. Jim Angle, the Foxbot hot shot, credited himself with getting the ball rolling on the transcript revelation.

The WH can only lose ground w/ her testimony, so it's a good thing.

[Octafish]

9. Yes, oasis, Thompson is a turd of the BFEE.

What a piece of scheiss he is was revealed in his treatment of Clarke. What kind of man would insult a public servant who'd served four presidents -- check that -- three presidents plus a selected governor admirably? All Clarke has done in his adult life is serve the United States. What's Big Turd Jim ever done? Ever?

Here's what Medium Rarey has to say about the longtime thug:

911 Commission - Forgedda Boudit

By Jim Rarey 12-29-2

EXCERPT...

Jim Thompson

Jim Thompson was the longest serving governor in Illinois history completing four terms in office leaving in 1991. He is currently chairman of the large Chicago-based law firm Winston and Strawn. While he was governor, sensational charges were leveled against him and the law firm by Chicago author and investigator Sherman Skolnick. Skolnick claimed that the First National Bank of Chicago had loaned (Communist) China billions of dollars to be repaid in gold. When China defaulted on the gold payments, according to Skolnick, the CIA and bank arranged for massive amounts of high purity heroin to be smuggled into the U.S. in lieu of the gold payments. Skolnick alleged shipments came in through Joliet, just south of Chicago, and were supervised by Thompson and the Winston and Strawn law firm. As with most claims of CIA involvement in illegal drugs, nothing came of the allegations. Thompson got caught in the middle of a messy political battle between outgoing Governor George Ryan and Attorney General Jim Ryan, both Republicans. Ryan was running against Democrat Rod Blagojevich, the victor and incoming governor. At the same time AG Ryan was suing Governor George Ryan over the pardoning of death row inmates.

George Ryan hired former governor Jim Thompson to defend against the lawsuit. Blagojevich had railed in his campaign against the 26 years of Republican corruption and mismanagement. That included 12 of the years when Thompson was governor. To the astonishment of practically everyone, Blagojevich appointed Thompson to lead his transition team.

SOURCE:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0212/0102_rarey.html

There's a lot of BCCI and Thompson stuff that makes fine reading, as well.

[countmyvote4real]

8. Oh come on. What does an oath or the truth mean to this administration?

Whatever delusion motivates them, it's still true enough for them to describe, defend or embellish in whatever detail that exists in their delusional minds. All that we get from this is another * flip-flop. Executive privilege will be diminished and anal sex will be the next cause for impeachment.

[Octafish]

10. I agree. The Truth means ZERO to the BFEE.

On the other hand, a large number of the American people don't know what to believe. A nationwide broadcast showing Condi lie (or evade to remain technically in compliance with said "oath") and squirm in front of the cameras is the perfect ticket for readjusting, or "defining," Bush in the public's mind as an incompetent moron, at best.

[countmyvote4real]

16. I'll keep my fingers crossed. I just can't help it.

Hope springs eternal.

[direwolf]

15. yeah...

It will be at least somewhat interesting just watching the event; the questions, answers, eyes, expressions, comfort, etc., as she reacts/responds to the questions. It would be telling to see the audience and their reactions to the testimony, though I can't imagine that happening.

The rate of "three lies per 10 minutes" certainly seems attainable to the condinator given her (oh-so-tiresome) ability to use so many words to say so very little.

Sure would have been nice had * offered to testify alone without sneer; to put at some miniscule effort behind that whole honesty/integrity thing...yeah, like that would happen.

OTOH, I supose it would've been dissapointing if he'd let us all down and displayed at least some backbone. Speaking in front of a panel, under oath, in public, on the TEEVEE without a script? Who the hell would ever expect such a thing? </sarcasm>

Oh well, let the puppet show begin!

edits did not take place while under oath...though you didn't miss much.

[Octafish]

28. LOL! Excellent analysis, too!

I'll stick to the lie-a-minute pace. We'll compare transcripts and see who's closer!



Your analysis of Bushler is sot-on.
The guy's never going to amount to anything,
even if he's made Chimperor of the Solar System.



Source: http://www.psychedelicrepublicans.com/index.asp

Also important: A hearty welcome to DU, direwolf!
Are you named after a great song, too?

[opihimoimoi]

18. Notice they asked for a week later... I guess for enough time to get

her stories straight. I would bet she can hardly SLEEEEEP without NIGHTMARES. Tossing and Turning all night long, the poor thing has to be drugged< did I just say that?> for a long sleep.

[Octafish]

19. There's a lot of chemistry there.

They really do believe in better living through chemistry -- for them. For us? Survival of the fittest.

White House Faces Disclosure Suit
Group Says Government Had Braced for Anthrax Attacks

Washington Post/Associated Press
Saturday, June 8, 2002; Page A11

A conservative group is suing the Bush administration for access to documents about last fall's anthrax attacks, asserting that top officials might have known the bioterrorist attack was coming.

Judicial Watch said yesterday it has yet to receive documents from several agencies after filing requests under the Freedom of Information Act. The group says the documents will show who knew what, and when.

Judicial Watch, which also has sued for documents about Vice President Cheney's energy task force, represents U.S. postal workers at the Brentwood post office in the District. Two workers from Brentwood died of inhalation anthrax before officials closed the site, which had handled anthrax-laden letters headed to Capitol Hill.

Larry Klayman, chairman of Judicial Watch, said administration officials said last fall that some White House staff members had begun taking the antibiotic Cipro on Sept. 11, weeks before the anthrax attacks were made public.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15269-2002Jun7¬Found=true

[bluedog]

23. Time Magazine.says shes practicing

snip

Rice is prepping for her testimony by reviewing briefing books that she studied for a private session with the commission in February, and she will be peppered with mock questions from aides. Sources tell TIME that Rice plans a 20-minute opening statement to make the case for the Bush team.

She's likely to stress the Administration's efforts to overthrow the Taliban before 9/11. She told TIME last month the Bush team was out not only to "arm the Northern Alliance in an important way but also to find and develop relationships with southern tribes so that you could get the Taliban where it hurts."

She is said to be galled by Clarke's critical comments because, say Rice associates, she went out of her way to keep the career aide in a top-tier position, against the advice of Administration officials who thought she should jettison someone so cozy with the Clinton national-security team.

From the Apr. 12, 2004 issue of TIME magazine

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040412-607778,00.html

[Octafish]

27. She's going to need more than a 20 Minute Opening Statement.

It's like a George Bush commercial where he reads the script off the teleprompter. His beady little eyes move from side to side, just over his lopsided smirk. And it's not that he's some arrogant drunken frat-boy, the world sees he's a crazy moron.

In Condescenda's lowdown, she'll glare from under an enormously imposing forehead. Unfortunately for her and our country, that’s all she’s got. The reality is, all that’s inside Condi’s cavernous cranium is what got put in there by the Hoover Institution. That means that in thought, deed and word, she's really dumb as a box of rocks, no matter what her IQ or how many oil tankers are named after her.

Those who need proof need only consider whatever comes out of her mouth is a disaster. So far, since the Chinese captured our spy plane, all her advice has been wrong. From the disasters of 9-11, Afghanistan and Iraq.

If Condi had any brains, she would have dropped her plans for Star Wars and the Iraq Invasion. Then, she would have listened to Clarke. But, no. Instead, she’s a “know-it-all” like Sneer and Rummy and TurdBlossom. And, alas, we are a lot worse off as a country, planet and specie for her participation as National Security Advisor for an unelected fraud.

As far as being steamed that she kept Clarke on and is now getting it in the back from a disloyal employee: Hokum. She kept on the only person from the Clinton White House (and his team, from what I can get out of the news reports) who had a clue about counter-terror. I pray there are more than a few good people on the 9-11 commission.

Also important: Thanks for the heads-up, bluedog! Much obliged!

[bandy]

24. Doesn't seem to matter so much now

knowing that Bullshitters will edit and release at their convenience.

[bluedog]

25. bet bush and cheney

are also practing their anwers.wonder if they have the questions now?

[Octafish]

29. Well, they wanted Henry Kissinger to head the commish...

... If that's any indication of how they have a certain, um, outcome in mind. Probably just as well that K turned Bush down when the Congress asked him to reveall his client list to reveal any conflicts-of-interest. Never one to put patriotism ahead of profits, the war criminal turned down his country. No problem for us or Bushler. Tom Kean, K's replacement, does business Big Time with people soaked in Petrodollars. From GlobalResearch.ca:

Now you would think that being a business partner of the brother in law and alleged financier of "Enemy No. 1" would be considered a bona fide "conflict of interest", particularly when your mandate --as part of the 9/11 Commission's work-- is to investigate "Enemy No. 1".

New Chairman of 9/11 Commission

had business ties with Osama's Brother in Law

by Michel Chossudovsky

EXCERPT…

Unknown to most, UNOCAL's partner in the Cent-Gas trans-Afghan pipeline consortium, the Saudi Company Delta Oil is owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans which allegedly have ties to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda.

According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director James Woolsey, powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz’ younger sister is married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998, See also Wayne Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times,12 Nov. 2001 )

Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funnelled millions of dollars to the Al Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002)

Now, "by sheer coincidence", former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.

SNIP…

In other words, Delta Oil Ltd. of Saudi Arabia --which is a partner in the Hess-Delta Alliance--is in part controlled by Khalid bin Mafhouz, Osama's brother in law.

CONTINUED…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO212A.html

EDIT: Misplaced the war criminal's name. Hey, Henry! Ever read Dante?

[devinsgram]

26. Probably rewriting and rewriting

and then of course she'll have to memorize it and make it sound like she just came up with the answer herself.

[Octafish]

31. With all the lies she has to keep straight, it's got to be a real job!

She must expend the greater share of her brain power keeping all her lies straight. Perhaps otherwise, she'd see how utterly ridiculous the "advice" she's provided the Chimperor really is. Not that his decisions result from the advice provided by the National Security Advisor, but from pre-9-11 and the day of 9-11 and all the days since, every thing Bush does is wrong.

"Too bad for the nation," Bush says. "A tragedy for America," DUers say. I hope the commission asks her about that.

[tom_paine]

30. Contradicta Rice

Sleezy.

[Octafish]

33. Nice. Very nice.

Thanks, Mr. D!

[tom_paine]

36. Not mine. I stole it from another DUer

I wish I could remember who so I could give them credit, but I can't.