If Kerry loses in November, is Hillary the democrats savior for 2008?

[ringmastery]

Will anyone else be able to compete against her for the nomination?

And please, let's have an honest discussion and not the hyperbole that the country will end and elections will be cancelled. They weren't cancelled after Nixon and Reagan won 49 state landslides. Life will suck. But life will go on.

[Khephra]

1. God, I hope not

I'm NOT one of her fans.

[gWbush is Mabus]

12. If Kerry loses, there will not be elections in 2008

[freetobegay]

13. You hit the nail right on the head.

[Frances]

2. I think this question is a downer

When my daughters played sports, they had a really good coach who focused on the positive. He didn't put up with negative thoughts.

I think we Dems should focus ont he positive, especially since the LA poll showed Kerry ahead.

[Khephra]

4. Exactly

Not only does this question suppose that we lose in 04 but that the entire primary season comes down to Hilary. Seems a little restrictive to me.

[Bonhomme Richard]

3. If bush gets elected I don't think..............................

anyone can save america.

[blm]

5. Why the doom and gloom posts about losing in November?

I think it's an UTTER waste of energy to contemplate losing.

Why would ANYONE accept the promotion of a "loser" mindset?

[ringmastery]

8. Contingency Planning

teaches you to always evaluate every possible scenario so you will be always be prepared for whatever outcome may arise.

The election will be 50/50. We have to assume we may not win. I'm a realist. I don't look at life through rose-colored glasses. It prevents disappointment.

[blm]

16. That's not a winning mindset.

Not with democracy itself at stake in November.

[sangh0]

23. Very disingenous

I find the argument "We need to get ready for 2008" to be very disingenous. I have strong doubts about your supposed belief that we need to start preparing for 2008.

[Khephra]

6. I might add

That looking for a savior in anything is the wrong way to look.

[redqueen]

7. A thousand times 'NO!'

:eyes:

[BillZBubb]

9. Enough with the negative waves, Moriarty!

Why do you even bring this up? We're still a long way from the '04 election. Hillary is the obvious frontrunner, given your hypothetical. But, four years is a lifetime in politics and Edwards or someone else could rise dramatically in that time.

BTW, Hillary would make a great president.

10. on principle

I try to respond to every Hillary thread with this comment.
We don't like a hereditary Bush presidency, so why would a "hereditary" Clinton presidency be any better?
There seem to be monarchists on both sides.

I've got nothing against Hillary. She's my Senator in New York.

[napi21]

19. GREAT COMMENT. I like Hillary too, but

I have acquired a new understanding of the feelings the right must have had about Bill Clinton, because I have the same feelings about GB. You are absolutely right....we hate the idea of this hereditary presidency and I can understand a lot of people not wanting the same with Clinton.

She seems to be doing a very good job as Senator and if she decides to change jobs, there are a lot of positions in an administration where she would be great as well.........wether that be 2004 or 2008...or both!

[KittyWampus]

11. This Thread Is The Antithesis To Confident Expectation

which is a necessity to win in November.

There are no saviors.

[freetobegay]

15. There was one savior...

But the people didn't want him in the Primaries! Kind of Like Jesus some 2000 years ago.

[AndyP]

14. good question

even though I know a lot of people don't want to talk about it I think it's a good idea to cover all possibilities. It would be interesting to see. Personally I don't know much about Hillary so I'd have to see. It would also depend on who she's running against.

[Teaser]

17. Hilary will never be president.

She inspires too many people too hate and not enough people to love her. Nominating her would build in a "base advantage" to whomever the Republicans nominate.

[tom_paine]

18. What a Fair Und Balanced Question, ringmastery!

Truly fantastic. Brings so much to the debate.

I want to personally thank you for asking such a Fair Und Balanced Question and a VERY improtant question, too.

Are you familiar with Al Franken's book. It's Called
Lies and the Lying laris who tell them

Yes, it's called

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

If you haven't read it yet I think you should. I think you would REALLY enjoy every page-turning word.

Don't you think so?

So tell me have you read Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them?

What was your favorite part?

Did you get the part about Hillary running from the part in Al's book where he talks about the Democrats tanking this election so that Hillary can run in 2008?

[sangh0]

22. I loved the question too

I just love it when we pretend that 2008 is a concern for many of us, and use our defeat in 2004 to justify the "discussion"

[tom_paine]

24. What makes you certain about the "us" part?

(not referring to you & I or you & anyone or me & anyone, if you get my drift)

Let's just say I've been pondering that question as regards this thread and "Fair Und Balanced" posts like it, dig?

[sangh0]

28. Actually, it was the "we" that may have been questionable

if you get MY drift :-)

[Zero Gravitas]

20. What makes you think there will be a 2008 election

if Busholini is "re"-elected? at least a free and fair honest real election as opposed a fixed one. Imagine what another 4 years of these assholes in power with the corporate media spewing their propaganda daily? They want nothing more than to flood all three branches of government with far-right religious whackos that we'll be lucky if we don't need a permission slip from an approved Minister to be allowed to vote.

[guitar man]

21. After 4 more years of $hrub

I bet I could run my dog against the repug candidate and the whole nation would crawl over broken glass just to vote for the dog. In that scenario,I don't think it matters who we nominate. If this country hasn't had enough by this November,it will DAMN sure have had way more than it's belly full by '08.

[DemNoir]

25. Good grief

Are you having fun bumming everyone out? Stop the negativity and do something positive for the cause.

[leesa]

26. Seems like only Republicans think Hillary wants to run.

Why the focus on her?

[Toot]

27. No!

I'm a woman, but I'm also a realist, and I don't see the American public voting a woman as President anytime soon. I would for a woman candidate if I believed in her, but I just don't see her winning.

Plus, Hillary has too much baggage, even if it's undeserved and unfair.

[yorgatron]

29. actually,this is a great tactic to bring in the loony voters

you can vote for kerry in 2004,or hillary has 2008 in the bag!

[tom_paine]

30. The Ringmaster, a poem

Oh Ringmaster Stealth
Stealthy Ringmaster
All three Rings Circus-like
amused you
amuses you
round and round the Stealth goes

In and out
Up and down
Serious discussion, down below!
Nonsensical Nonsense "Front and Center"!

Let them sink
Let them sink
doing the dirty work of Empire isn't easy

But it is profitable
and fun
but only if
your are ringmaster.
====================================================

Thank you very much. Elvis has left the building.

[Blasphemer]

31. Won't matter...

Georgie will either be kicked out in November or impeached shortly thereafter. The kingdom is crumbling.

[Dhalgren]

32. Nixon nor Reagan either one staged coups.

If you haven't figured out yet that the situation we are in is unprecedented in US history, you need to take a longer look at what's going on. If Bush remains in the WH for another term - regardless of how he secures that term - we won't have another free and fair election in our lifetimes. At least, not without a bloody, bloody civil war.