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Luvpurp Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:47 AM
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Impotence by the Dems is not acceptable anymore
If the idiots running the Democratic party aren't smart enough to juxtapose what happened in Iraq today with Bush's WMD jokes then we are done as a party.

Kerry has got to start defining Bush for what he is, my god I see nothing but Bush commercials defining Kerry.

Its simple folks. Bush's commercials can only speculate what Kerry will be as a pres, in contrast Kerry's commercials can show what 4 years of Bush has been like. High unemployment, high debt, war based on lies, stagnant stock market, divided country, the world hates us, dirtier air, dirtier water, overstretched military, Medicare at risk, social security at risk, on and on and on. Kerry cannot wait any longer. We must define Bush, NOT vice-versa.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:51 AM
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1. Actually Kerry's ads are pretty good
Although they are probably only being shown in areas that are in play. And Kerry has set aside a specific part of his website to refute President Bush's misleading ads. --> http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:55 AM
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4. That is good
but I do not see it. Yes, I live in California, and Kerry probably will win, but if they continue to distort his record here, and no response is given, anything can happen. Look what happened in the govenor's race.

NO STATE SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED. This group cannot be taken for granted.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:00 AM
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6. Give Kerry Money
I mean if you want him to have a presense everywhere, than that's the key, isn't it? A large campaign chest. I mean it does cost a fair amount of money to run a tv ad, doesn't it?

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:52 AM
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2. You are right
I hardly see any Kerry ads, all I see is bush ads on CNN and CNBC.

Yesterday, the bush machinery tried to say that Kerry would increase the gas tax by 50 cents. I did not see anyone from the Kerry camp come out to refute it.

They better have a more agressive plan

As you say, bush is currently defining Kerry. That is the same thing that was done to Gore.

It does not matter if the media is against Kerry, Kerry has to set the agenda
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:54 AM
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3. MoveOn.org is running ads to contrast, the Clarke ad
they probably shouldn't do much more now, as they would be spending money at a time it won't be effective - should gear up more for the actual election. My guess is they don't want to spend too much now and flame out like Dean campaign did.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 09:56 AM
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5. I agree-we need some sharp people running DNC
Every point you made should be pounding in commercials for Kerry, and then Kerry needs to continue to define himself that he will a competent leader to go forward. Bush has taken us in the endless pit of despair and there's no light at the end of Bush's tunnel, Kerry needs to get the message out that he is that light, and he'll stop the endless digging in the wrong direction.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:00 AM
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7. tell that to the Senate...
After Miller gave his vicious speech on the Senate floor yesterday, calling Democrats "wimps" and implying that criticism of Bush* is akin to treason, Harry Reid got up and gave a nice little chat about the joys of fatherhood.

Ignoring Miller is NOT a strategy. What Reid did is to indeed make us look like wimps.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:31 AM
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8. So Bullies rule?
I guess it's better to be a bully, maybe the repugs would like to tell that to the children at Columbine? Or how about the mother who's son committed suicide because he was bullied and considered a wimp. These folks need to be brought down preaching that sort of mentality, it's warped and it's irresponsible. Repugs have redefined themselves as the irresponsible and bitter party of bullies.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:36 AM
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10. you're right
And sadly, I think we'll hear a lot more of this glorification of the word "warriors", as they desperately need new cannon fodder to enlist.

If these Rethugs are so enamoured of "warriors", I wonder why they aren't pushing their OWN children into the Army.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:35 AM
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9. Let's stop making excuses to ourselves. Nothing is stopping Kerry
from blaasting Bush in speeches that will be picked up by the media. He is not. I just put up a post called: Kerry's Campaign Needs a Shot in the Arm Now. Take a look because I'm smelling some other things, I don't like it, and I think Kerry needs to shake up his campaign people. He's getting lousy advice.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:54 AM
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11. Kerry's Campaign Needs a Shot in the Arm Now????
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 10:55 AM by sangh0
Ummm, you do know that Kerry is having an operation on his shoulder, don't you? It seems that Kerry will be getting much more than a shot in the arm.

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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:58 AM
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12. of course I do..that's why I picked the title....he needs more than
what he's getting today. He needs to rearrange his campaign staff and come out swinging, bum arm and all. He's getting bad advice and Bush is capitalizing on it. I put my thoughts down in my post and don't want to write them over again.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:30 AM
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13. I am going to agree
Kerry is fading from view. This morning I turnde on CSpan and the guest was some Repbulican congressman--I cannot even remember his name--and all he said as I tuned in was "SAddam gassed his own people" and "Saddam gassed his own people" and I think he repeated in once more. I could not stomach it any longer and shut off the TV.

But, these are memes that stick--no matter who called in with the facts--the repeating three times ensures that. And there is nothing from the Democrats. You know, I do think the majority that we never hear from, are just sitting back of their asses waiting for someone else to do the hard stuff.

Hillary and Daschle said the other day, that it was perfectly fine for Sharon to use all that hi tech military equiptment which we sold them to assassinate a quadraplegic guy who was confined to a wheelchair and just coming out from praying in a Mosque, was just fine and honky dory-- because, said Hillary, Israel has to "defend itself" What is the matter with these people? They have gone over to the dark side and slowly growing long , dark thick hair all over their faces They do not have a clue anymore as to what a human being is and what it means to analyze and play things smart--no, the popular thing to do these days, is to never think--just react violently and with supreme revenge with every bit of high tech implements of killing you can muster against a quadraplegic, and call it "defending yourself" I lost all respect for Hillary--she mirrored Bush's words. Disgusting and I am slowly racking up negative things in my mind when it comes to Senator Clinton.

With friends like that in our party, Rove will soon be out of a job.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:33 AM
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14. TO be fair
Your example of Hillary and Daschele, probably isn't the best one because they might actually disagree with your assessment of that issue. I tend to agree with you, but I'm not sure you can chalk that statement up to wimpiness so much as you can chalk it up to disagreeing with your beliefs.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:24 PM
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15. No, I am not saying it is wimpiness. but I am saying
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:25 PM by Marianne
that I do not definately agree with HIllary Clinton on this issue.

My point is that we seem to have gone barbaric when supporting an assassination that is so obviously barbaric and that was NOT necessary at all so the Israel can "defend itself" is insane. It is disconcerting to any person with any ability to parse through that situation--

It is as insane as Bush's pre-emoptive and pre-ventive wars. I have lost my respect for her and for the rest of them that would try to shove this barbarism down our throats as a justifiable "assassination" because it was not. I have not reached that low level of humanity yet.

and I do not see her standing up against Bush and for the country on many issues at all. She is the quintessential, practiced politician and frankly that act is beginning to tast very bad in my mouth--not only in her case, but in quite a few of those who are content to sit back and let Bush have his way with us.



. 40 U.S. senators supported Israel’s assassination of Hamas’ leader

03/28/04 "Virtual Jerusalem" -- More than 40 senators said they supported Israel’s assassination of Hamas’ leader, a Jewish official said. The senators met Thursday with officials from the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. While some senators voiced concern about the consequences of killing Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the lawmakers — including Senate majority leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), minority leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) and Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) — “supported Israel’s right to take whatever measures are necessary to defend itself,” according to Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Presidents Conference.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5957.htm





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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:58 PM
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16. In various ways, I agree with the posters here who are feeling
impatient and disillusioned with some parts of our party.

I have been sending in my paltry dollars each month to the Kerry camp. Someone said they are saving their dollars--maybe that's good, I don't know. I do know that the campaign does seem awefully quiet and subdued, as other's here have stated. I watched a piece on Kerry this morning when He was in San Diego. He was soooooooo boring, I had to turn the channel.

Then, when one tunes into some of these cable channels and gets a twosome debate between one from our side and one from the right, our side always seems to wimp out..get talked over, sit's back and gets' bullied, doesn't come prepared for the debate wit details for answers. It's very disconcerting. I watched Ann Eschoo pitted next to Rorbacherrottenthingamajiger (whatever his name is), Ann was just being thumped by this other winger. YOU and I have more details/answers to the questions presented than our Dem leaders do!!

Do our reps even read anything? Who does or does not do their research for heaven's sake?!
I'm a bit worried; I hold on to hope. :hurts:
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 PM
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17. I have this strange feeling that they all got together for the Unity
Dinner, made their speeches, kissed and hugged...and then just took off and disappeared. It's like they all just left Kerry and went about their usual business of cutting fat deals with fat bastards. We are getting preempted on issues that we should own 100% because we could just smother Bush with his own crap. I feel like we are slipping back into what we have done best for 3 years: hide and suck our thumbs. They never learn. Why do they think everyone was fired up at the primaries? It's because we were attacking Bush. Now they think the strategy is just to appear on the ballot.....wrong and a lot of Dems who are holding on to seats with their fingernails are going to go down, too.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:52 PM
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18. Yes, it's rather disconcerting......I hope they pull their heads
out in time. I think I fear Bush and his ilk more than all out war. We HAVE to win this thing. I write to our reps, hoping they will get the message that the gloves have got to come off ASAP.
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