RW talk shows going crazy

[bobbieinok]

last week for a few minutes switched back and forth between L Ingraham and Hannity

they were talking about the SAME document that supposedly contrdicts Clarke's testimony before the 9-11 commission

and they were making the SAME arguments

talking fast about how can anyone believe Clarke

(Tulsa is 'blessed' with 2 RW talk show stations on am)

[rockymountaindem]

1. They should point out that

he made those statements during the attack on Afghanistan and before the war in Iraq. That was when the Bush* administration was finally doing what Clarke wanted all along. Of course he would be happy about it then. I think the real quesion is why did the Bush administration ignore him in 2001, and again in 2003 with the Iraq invasion?

[Leilani]

2. RNC talking points

they have all received their marching orders!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. Does anyone actually know anything about these talking points.

Obviously there is something... since the topics and specific arguments are so identical. What is the source? Has any DU'er in radio SEEN this fax, who can comment on it?

[ParanoidPat]

14. Do a DU search for threads about becoming a 'GOP team leader'.....

....then check out this thread! :evilgrin:

All will be revealed! :wow:

[Cat Atomic]

15. O'Reilley admitted that they get daily talking points from the RNC

Of course, the idiot only did it in order to brag about himself. He said something like (paraphrasing)...

'All the talkshows get a sheet of daily talking points from the RNC. But we don't use them because nobody tells ME what to say. I'm here to look out for the folks'

He then sort of paused and said, 'but the other side does it, too- Democrats do it just as bad... if not WORSE'.

This was something like 3 months ago on his daily radio show. I'm sorry I can't be more precise, but he defintely said that. I laughed my ass off, because the idiot let the cat out of the bag without meaning to.

[jorno67]

16. I heard that too!

You pretty much got it word for word. Good job!

[Cat Atomic]

17. Whew!

I'm glad someone else remembers that. Thanks! :D

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

18. Does anyone have links to transcript of the show where he said this?

I've done searches on RNC talking points etc. but I haven't found much. Links would be great, especially with documentation of this phenomenon by those who receive this fax like O'Reilly.

[Cat Atomic]

20. I've been looking everywhere this evening, Mayberry.

To no avail. I can't find a transcript of the comment anywhere on the web.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. The thing is, when I google this, I find a lot of

discussion of this on lefty blogs but none in the media at large (big surprise). I see where Gore specifically mentioned this a couple of years ago but I don't see that it was ever picked up as news. Since the phenomenon is obvious I'm surprised that it isn't documented. Would love it if someone had a copy of one of these faxes. Since there must be thousands of these (they must go out every day to all the right wing shows) it CAN'T be all that hard to get a hold of one.

All of the RW radio can't be so disciplined that one of these faxes can't be obtained, can it? I'm surprised that it's disciplined enough that O'Lielly seems to be the first to actually refer to this on air.


GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

(snip)

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.

11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.

12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness I think shrubco often fails at this one

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses

b. They must be capable of being easily learned

c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations

d. They must be boomerang-proof

15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat

b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves

(snip)

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.

(snip)

[never cry wolf]

19. Here's a nice article on that

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

[recidivist]

27. RNC/DNC talking points.

If anyone is interested in the daily talking points, just go the DNC and RNC home pages and sign up. (Might as well sign up for both -- opposition research, you know.)

Both parties have discovered the internet. This ain't confidential information we're talking about here.

[tjwash]

3. They are always taking crazy.

That's why I have a cd player in the car.

[lancdem]

4. Isn't that the testimony they were talking about

declassifying? Is this new?

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

5. If they have no answer..they stutter...

then they blame Clinton:spank:

[Catfight]

9. Yeah...Clinton made me do it

I just don't understand how these weirdo's stick to the same old tactics of lies and deception. I don't get why callers get off on sucking up to these losers. Tonight on Insannity, I was flipping around and just catching what they were talking about, a caller was talking about his little girl saying how democrats hate daddy. Yeah right, little kids project and if daddy had an ounce of intelligence, he'd see that it's his hatred of democrats that his little girl is responding to. Then I thought, he took his little girls perception as some prolific truth, repugs have the reasoning skills of a third grader.

[EstimatedProphet]

6. Reading from Rove's instructions

That pretty much indicates that they're not independently coming to the same ideas, doesn't it?

[glarius]

8. Repubs keep saying Clarke published his book now for the most effect

NOBODY is answering them with Clarke's explanation that the book came out now because the White House wouldn't clear it for publication before now...Clarke said he finished it last Oct. but couldn't get it cleared for publication before now....The public is buying the Republicans' lie that he is just an opportunist because of this!

[AgadorSparticus]

10. Clarke addressed the 2002 documents vs. 2004 in MTP

these RWnuts are nervous and scared. That is why they are talking like they are on speed.

[mouse7]

11. I hear a lot of the talking points start at GOPUSA.com

I've heard it quite often the first stop the right-wing talking heads go to.

[keithyboy]

12. They are sounding so shrill and hysterical it's turning off even their

mindless sheeple.

[RebelOne]

22. Sounds like Hannity

He's becoming more and more shrill and hysterical every day.

[Dr Fate]

13. Its the pills...

...lots & lots of pills...

[KharmaTrain]

21. It's The "Blast Fax"...

Tweety eluded to it last week when he ripped Terry Holt of the RNC a new one.

Both parties have 'em...just the GOOP's is highly effective. I've heard it comes from Ed Gillespie, but might as well be Rove...it's a morning fax to selected "journalists" with GOP points on "current issues". Read into that as you will.

The Democrats use it to...or better get going. Read The War Room and you'll see how things were 12 years ago...before emails, internet, cheap long distance and a far more polished RW operation. These goons may be clumsy, but when they learn how to do things right, they are tough as nails.

It's pretty easy to see the ripple on these stories...certain times and points in the day that the Repugnicans want their words out...in the AM it's their designated spinners on the morning yakfests that then are fed to Rush (listen to how many bits he'll play from the morning shows)...then onto Faux (Hume, Hanity, O'Reilly) and the cadre of spinners on the talk shows. Oh, and don't forget the "friends"...like Tweety and Novakula and Fineman and the other DC media moles who stay in good standing by being the final echo chamber of the day. Watch it and see if I'm close.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. No, I know you're right, anyone with a brain who listens to this

stuff even occasionally can see this, even the freepers acknowledge this phenomenon. I'm just looking for some online documentation of this, where Rush/Hannity/O'Lielly etc. or Gillespie actually acknowledges the existence of this, or some other documentation (like a copy of the actual fax if there is one these days) for an online discussion on this topic I'm having.

Got into an online discussion when ALL the RW talk shows big and small were not only talking about the Spanish elections and bombings, but discussing the "talking point" about whether we should suspend elections if there was a terrorist attack here, all within a 24 hr period. I mentioned this as an example of the RW "talking points" propaganda machine and people acted like it was some tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

[Iceburg]

25. Nasty Outbreak of Tourettes Syndrome in the RW Media ?

Vocal Symptoms
- Uttering meaningless words or phrases
- coprolalia (the involuntary utterance of inappropriate or obscene words)
- echoalia (repeating a sound, word or phrase just heard)
- palilalia(repeating one’s own words)

The variety and complexity of tics or tic-like symptoms that can be seen in TS is enormous. Have we seen it all? Or is there a more serious underlying neurologic problem that needs to be examined?

[Killarney]

26. HERE IS THE TRANSCRIPT

I don't really know what to say about it. It does make Clarke look bad in comparison to his current testimony, but all we can really say is that he was still in the administration then and he had to focus on the positives and what they did right rather than what they did wrong. He had to spin if he wanted to keep his job.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115085,00.html

This is also the document that Kerrey slammed Fox for during the hearings.

[BootinUp]

29. I don't see any factual contradictions

from he has said now.

He left a lot of shit out is all, and spun what was left.

[LeftHander]

28. That is why they are ditto heads

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