constant, repeated RW talk show defense of Bush vs Clarke

[bobbieinok]

Bush was in office 8 months; Clinton 8 years

how can 'we' blame Bush for anything about 9-11???

[LynzM]

1. Drives me crazy.

I can't even think of a good analogy, but it's totally ridiculous. Clinton went after Al Qaeda, but 'not enough', so Bush ignoring them is obviously ok? WTF. Gah!

[seabeyond]

2. cause clinton had experience and knowledge

and bush didnt. and bush refused the information. that is how we can make him responsible

[stopthegop]

3. can't argue about the numbers...

they're accurate...(Bush actually 7 months 3 weeks)...have to discuss actions

[asthmaticeog]

14. You sure CAN argue those numbers.

Clinton was in office for 8 years, sure, but Osama Bin Laden didn't emerge as a threat to us until midway through his second term. 8 years my ass.

[librechik]

20. here's an analogy

Suppose you are a night nurse in a hospital. One of your patients has a grave crisis near the end of the shift and is in danger of dying unless she is carefully monitored and all means are used to treat her. Your shift is over at 7, and the day nurse comes on. You tell her vehemently and repeatedly that Mrs. Miller is in serious trouble and she will spend most of her time caring for that patient. The Day nurse smiles, says sure, sure, and then goes off to spend the day in Rich Mr. Moneybags' private room, spoonfeeding him caviar and giving him a sponge bath. Early in the day shift, while the day nurse is devoted to the other patient, Mrs. Miller's condition worsens, alarms go off and they are ignored, and finally Mrs. Miller dies.

The head nurse walks into the unit to investigate and finds the guilty nurse in Moneybags' room, giving him a blowjob.

Day nurse says "It's the night nurses fault!"

Who do you fire?

[Homer12]

4. The Buck stops on Democrats

We do everything bad and Rethugs get all the credit (or they try to steal it when good and deflect credit when bad).

[NewJeffCT]

5. first WTC attack

The first attack on the WTC occurred a month after Clinton took office, yet Clinton got full blame for that and Somalia... which he also inherited. I don't remember him passing the buck to everybody else like the the Bush Administration.

[sniffa]

10. 38 days

cLinton was in office 38 days when the first WTC attack occured. can't bLame bush1 for that. :eyes:

[NewJeffCT]

23. ok, it was more than a month

So, definitely Clinton's fault, just like the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Pearl Harbor, etc. Heck, Clinton probably tricked the Bush family into arming the Nazis in WW2.

[sniffa]

28. weLL

i bLame cLinton for my seasonaL aLLergies. i aLso bLame him for the rise in chiLdhood obesity. has the man no shame!?

[BOSSHOG]

6. If Clinton had been in office 8 years and 8 months

9/11 would not have occurred. How's that? The Clinton team stopped the millenium attack by not being asleep at the wheel. Bush is to blame for 9-11 because his plan was to follow the orders of the cheney energy task force which was to take the iraqi oil fields and secure no-bid contracts for halliburton - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. 9-11 was the catalyst bush needed.

CLINTON DIDN'T NEED 9-11 TO HAPPEN BECAUSE HE WAS UNDER ON OBLIGATION TO THE CHENEY TASK FORCE. Now if dick wants to disprove this he can open up the books - NOW.

[randr]

7. During Clinton's 8 years he was able to catch the

bombers of the WTC and throw them in jail. He was able to stop attacks on the millennium. He had a strategy developed that was working and had OBL in the headlights.
We all know what happened when he passed the baton. The new guy ran in a different direction.
The evidence bubbling up out of the CIA and FBI regarding information that never got to the appropriate desks is the place to put our national attention.
Was there an attempt to hinder Clinton's strategy?

[zbdent]

27. After WTC 1, the only successful Terrorist attacks on American Soil

were home-grown.

Oklahoma City - Tim McVeigh & Terry Nichols - militiamen.

Atlanta 1996 Olympic games - only real suspect was cleared; no other real leads

Hey, didn't Clinton's anti-terrorism task force catch the Unabomber?

[Skidmore]

8. Remind them that they are the adults, right?

Adults know what to do.

If they aren't the adults, then they are whining children.

[lectrobyte]

9. doesn't matter

if someone brought this up, I'd quickly point out that it still boils down to Bush lies to invade Iraq, and invading Iraq (for the oil whatever) played into AQ's hands. As Clarke pointed out, we had the support of moderate Islam, etc. against extremists, but we've only succeeding in uniting them with our invasion of Iraq.

Not to mention the "wag the dog" that was brought up when Clinton took action...

[tom_paine]

11. Constant, repeated Nazi Press on offense against Jews

Same thing.

This is remarkable? It couldn;t be more predictable than a nice, rosy 1978 Soviet Agriculture Report.

[Jacobin]

12. Here's a good way to use their analogy:

I drove my car on a trip for eight hours. You took over the wheel and drove the car off the road and wrecked it after eight minutes. Now your saying its MY fault?

Typical slimebag RWers, who are down to stupid silly justifications for the failures of the Chimp.

[stopthegop]

13. won't work...weak analogy...

they can say you let maint. go for 8 hours...

[kiahzero]

15. "Well, if you felt that way..."

"Why didn't you fix the car, before you started driving it?"

[Jacobin]

16. Actually

"maintenance" was not the problem. You fell asleep at the wheel.

:-)

Nevermind. Arguing with dittoheads (not you, I mean the RWers) is a lost cause anyway.

[BOSSHOG]

17. If Clinton stayed in the driver's seat, 9-11 would not have happened.

Excellent analogy.

[Jacobin]

18. I happen to agree with you on that

Clinton was from all accounts focused on terrorism and stopped a lot of it.

If he had been in office and pushing on the FBI and CIA they would have found the pilots who only wanted to fly and not land guys and I think this thing would have been busted up before it could have happened.

Smirk is such an arrogant and incompetent and lazy fool, he couldn't be bothered.

And don't get me started on Rice. She is an idiot.

[Torgo4]

19. Why Don't They Ask...

WHAT could Clinton have done from Jan 20 - Sep 11th 2001?

Nothing except warning the bumbling dolts because.....

He was NO LONGER President!!!

[tjwash]

21. That's right, and for those 8 years...

... the world trade center did NOT get destroyed.

[spanone]

22. Been three years and bush* is still not responsible for anything.

Can't wait to vote.

[proud patriot]

24. In 8 years 37 Americans killed by terrorism

in 8 months 3000 Americans killed by terrorism .

that is my response , I hope it's short enough for
a sound bite .

[Jacobin]

25. "The long national nightmare of peace and prosperity

is finally at an end!!"


That one always pisses them off

[NewJeffCT]

29. amazing how prophetic that Onion was...

http://www.theonion.com/onion3701/bush_nightmare.html

[LeahMira]

26. Even before the election outcome was decided...

... by the Supreme Court, I remember the Bush team insisting on getting started with the briefings and going over reports and materials, etc. in November and especially December of 1999. I recall thinking that it was particularly tasteless at the time... almost as if they couldn't wait to smash everything that President Clinton had stood for.

Now they're complaining that they had too little time to get up to speed? They must all be very s-l-o-w learners!

[Bandit]

30. Yes and eight years no terror attacks on US soil

Along comes Bush* and in only eight months a terror attack is allowed to happen. Easy to contrast the two. We were safe under Clinton and in extreme danger under Bush*.