Operation Northwoods just keeps coming to mind. Never gets steam.

[madfloridian]

Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War
With Cuba
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

Not familiar with this next source, but it links to the original Northwoods
documents from the joint chiefs (pdf form).
http://www.darrendixon.supanet.com/operationnorthwood.htm
Culture and Life :
Operation Northwoods and the two towers

The US economy is in deep, deep trouble. It is in fact galloping headlong
towards an economic abyss, and it's going to drag the rest of us over the
edge with it.
by Rob Gowland 11:18pm Fri Oct 12 '01

And a 3rd article:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
SNIP...."April 30, 2001

SNIP.."In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”...."

[Octafish]

1. That's what JFK assassination was all about.

The war party wanted their casinos, oil, and drug profits back, ASAP, no matter the cost..

So, Dulles and the CIA told President Kennedy the Bay of Pigs invasion would work because all the Cuban peasants hated Castro and would rise up against him. Didn't happen, so the CIA-Cuban forces wanted JFK to send in air support and the Marines. Kennedy said, "No. It wasn't worth starting World War III over."

Later, during the Cuban missile crisis, when the Soviets were turning Cuba into a nuclear-equipped missile pad, America's generals, Congress and JFK's cabinet voted for war. Kennedy said, "No. There must be another way. It wasn't worth starting World War III over."

So, Kennedy was asked for his green light on Vietnam. He said, "No. There must be another way. We can't win a land war in southeast Asia." And Kennedy signed the orders withdrawing all American military from South Vietnam.

That was the last straw for the war party. Kennedy was murdered a few weeks later. One of the first things LBJ did was rescind Kennedy's orders. The next thing was set up the white-wash we know as the Warren Commission.

The story was floated that Oswald wanted to re-re-defect to the Soviet Union and wanted to go through Cuba. The CIA even told the Warren Commission that Oswald was photographed leaving the Cuban embassy. Some of the Cuban embassy staff remember the encounter with a man claiming to be Oswald, a most demanding, rude boor. Somewhere a transcript exists, as the CIA said they destroyed the bug tape.

The CIA was instrumental in framing Oswald (the assassin, the "lone nut," single-gunman) as a pro-Castro nut. Their aim was to goad the US military to attack Cuba and its parent, the Soviet Union.

Unlike NORTHWOODS, the cabal eliminated the obstacle to their plan, President Kennedy. The man who refused to authorize NORTHWOODS, became the means for advancing the next iteration of their plan.

Here's the guy's photo the CIA told the Warren Commission was Oswald:



Note: The body language says "Hit Man."

http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/

[madfloridian]

5. Interesting website. Found this article from yesterday.

http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2045588,00.html
There is never much in the press. I don't know this paper. It justs states what some believe, and offers no conclusion. Unusual to even see this much on a search.

SNIP..."SAN FRANCISCO -- Days after current and former government officials testified before the official panel probing the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, dozens of activists, independent journalists and others from around the world convened Friday for their own inquiry.

These are people who believe the government is lying on a grand scale, and that the Bush administration at least passively let -- and at most, actively helped -- the attacks happen.

SNIP..."Some liken the Sept. 11 attacks to Operation Northwoods, a plan developed by U.S. military leaders in the early 1960s -- and reported in 2001 by major media including the Baltimore Sun and ABC News -- to attack U.S. civilian and military targets and blame it on Cuba as a pretext to invade that Communist nation. Some say it's more like the January 1933 arson of the German Reichstag, which many historians believe was staged by the Nazi Party and blamed upon Communists in order to consolidate Adolf Hitler's power...."

I need to go and look through that website more. Question, though. Couldn't the commission tell something was really wrong with that picture of Oswald? Or did they and not care? I never heard of this issue before. Interesting. Yes, body language says hit man.

[Octafish]

7. The commission was never shown the picture. They were TOLD...

... the photo showed Oswald. If you get time, here's the back story:

http://www.history-matters.com/frameup.htm

It was a big lie to match the legend they created regarding Oswald, who once was photographed handing out leaflets for the "Fair Play for Cuba Committee." It seems to have been an agent provocateur working for Guy Bannister, ex-ONI, ex-FBI, died a right-winger and Marcello flunky. Later in the summer of 1963, Oswald got in a scrape with an anti-Castro leader and was arrested. He even appeared on television to talk about Cuba and Marxism-Leninism.

Even Ruby got in the act to paint Oswald a commie Cuba lover. When Oswald was being questioned in a Dallas jailhouse press conference, one newsman asked if it was true he worked for the "Free Cuba Committee." "No," said a voice. "The Fair Play for Cuba Committee." Videotapes shot that night show the man correcting the reporter was Jack Ruby , who was attending the press conference. Stranger than the fact he seems to have been stalking Oswald is the fact he knew the difference between the two groups -- one pro-, the other anti-Catro -- and that Oswald belonged to which.

Thanks for the link, madfloridian! Good reading and most encouraging. Note the reference to "expolosives" causing the WTC collapses. There's nothing like disinformation.

[madfloridian]

10. First time I have seen all this mentioned in an article, not on a website.

May be a small paper, not familiar. Powerful stuff there. I never cease to be amazed at our media's lack of curiosity and investigative ability.

[Dookus]

2. well...

it was proposed 42 years ago, and as far as I know, never implemented. Just because yahoos talk about something doesn't make it official US policy.

[madfloridian]

3. Or something like it?

I only know we don't have a clue about the things that have been implemented at various times. That worries me. I keep thinking of all the reasons we have been to "war."

On Edit, your statement sounds like you don't think we are capable of such a thing. These are official documents.Not the dream of a conspiracy theorist.

This is from the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[Minstrel Boy]

4. "Just because yahoos talk about something...

doesn't make it official US policy."

By "yahoos," you mean the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

When people reject skepticism about 9/11 with the argument that it is inconceivable the US government would stage terrorist strikes on American soil for strategic gain, there's Northwoods. It's conceivable. It was conceived. A nod from Kennedy, it would have been a go.

And if it had been implemented, people today would be called conspiracy nuts for suggesting the war against Cuba was precipitated by a false-flag American terror campaign.

[Dookus]

6. But the fact is

it clearly WASN'T implemented. It was discussed, and evidently rejected. That does NOT add credence to the tin-foiler position.

[madfloridian]

8. Perhaps other versions were implemented in other ways.

Read the above webpages and articles. There is much to it than the one incident, IMHO. Think "mindset".

Read the article I posted above. It is from yesterday. Enough reporters from all over the world are curious and are starting their own investigation....per the article.

Not on Operation Northwoods, per se.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Northwoods is an insight into the mindset

of America's military command. What most Americans regard as "unthinkable" is indeed quite thinkable.

[madfloridian]

11. And in fact may have occurred in another version, say 2.0.

That is a sad joke, but we can not know. The "unthinkable" is becoming or has become very likely now.

[Dookus]

12. that may or may not be true

but using a 42 year old discussion that was never implemented and, in fact, that is now public knowledge, is not supportive of that idea.

[madfloridian]

16. Dookus, expand your thinking from 42 years ago. That is not the point.

Ok?

[Dookus]

18. if "expand your thinking" means

agree with you, no thank you.


I don't deny at all that what you say is possible. But I will NOT believe it in the absence of any evidence, and citing Northwoods is, in my opinion, COUNTER-EVIDENCE. The plan is now publicly known (putting the lie to the idea of ultra-secret conspiracies) and clearly was never implemented.

[Minstrel Boy]

19. "The plan is now publicly known...

(putting the lie to the idea of ultra-secret conspiracies)"

And you think we'd know about it if it had been implemented?

Are you saying since we don't see a declassified order to kill, the CIA's hands are clean in Dealey Plaza? That sounds like what you would call counter-evidence.

[Dookus]

20. I'm saying nothing beyond what you read in my posts....

if you want to convince me of your conspiracy theory, it will take more evidence than the discussion of a similar conspiracy decades ago that was obviously rejected.

[Oilwellian]

13. Have you ever seen this?

The FOX TV series The Lone Gunmen (X-Files spin off) airs their opening episode "Pilot" six months before 9/11 which depicts a secret U.S. government agency behind a plot to crash a Boeing 727 into the WTC via remote control and blame it on foreign terrorists in the hopes of generating a bigger military budget.

Why didn't that media pick up on this bizarre coincidence of life imitating art? A Boeing 700 series commercial airliner about to crash into the WTC and being blamed on foreign terrorists shown just six months before the real thing happened on a major TV station? I mean come on?!!

The real irony is that a lot of conspiracy investigators think that this scenario is essentially what really happened on 9/11!

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/lonegunmen.html

[pretzel4gore]

21. wow....

see! it's all about control and manipulation of the pig media....remember KAL 007? it was remotely controlled and flown 300 miles off course over several hours into the most dangerous airspace on earth, and it's possible a reagan hireling was actual pilot who shot it down (the russians were too disorganized to catch the airliner)...all this enabled reagan and bush 1 to massively increase military spending by painting opponents as allies to murdering russian commies. Kal 007 was actually the SECOND korean airliner (KAL is a Korean CIA operation) to stray into soviet airspace; the 1st survived the missile attack on it and landed in Murmansk russia a couple years before the KAL 007 incident. Only a pig media could facilitate a scam like the KAL007 shootdown....18 years later they refined the controls of news etc to pull off 911.
it's taking candy from a baby.....lol

[alfredo]

14. "Body Of Secrets" James Bamford speaks of Operation Northwoods

That book is terrific. His report on what came down when Israel attacked the USS Liberty is right on the money.

[keithyboy]

15. What the hell has Castro ever done to the US except to survive?

The hatered and angst against Cuba is way out of line. Even Clarke thinks it would be great if Castro were removed. Why? What the hell kind of threat does Castro pose to the US except to demonstrate that some socialist policies might actually work to help poor people?

[madfloridian]

17. Think Florida, think votes.

Our neighbors were in the first wave who came over in 59. They were the wealthier and the elite. They steadfastly support the GOP because of the promises of getting rid of Castro.