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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:56 PM
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We need to tell teens: You're in for the draft if Bush is re-selected
Anybody know any good message boards to spread the word on?

These kids deserve to know that their futures will likely be severely impacted (beyond the deficits, increased pollution, ridiculous "No Child Left Behind," etc. Bush has already brought). They need to know it is in their best interest to register now to vote this evil shithead out of office.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:59 PM
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1. No DRAFTABLE Child Left Behind.
I think we should have activists trailing the Repub voter registration truck.

Make sure they have military sign up papers to distribute to anyone who registers to vote as a Republican.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 06:59 PM
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2. Kerry is pushing for more troops in Iraq isn't he?
How can you be sure Kerry won't have to use the draft?

From the wilderness says that as long as we stay in Iraq, a draft is almost inevitable.

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:05 PM
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3. I've mentioned this to several people as well...
Even if a Dem is the next Pres, our foreign policy may still be so screwed up for the next couple of years that Congress and the Pres need more military to actually protect US interests (and i don't mean Iraq) if there is something else really big that happens.

Not that I know anything at all. Maybe the UN will send forces to relieve our troops in Iraq the day after Kerry wins. God I can only hope.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:08 PM
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5. Kofi Annan and Kerry have a strong relationship
and a lengthy one.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:50 PM
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10. and that is supposed to be soothing?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 11:02 PM
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18. I was gonna say that same thing..
Perpetual war is what we have...War is peace...freedom is slavery etc etc...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:21 PM
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24. No. It means the UN will oversee the peace mission.
Geez. Get a grip on the REAL picture for a change and stop judging Kerry through your bilegreen-colored lenses.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:30 PM
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14. More troops from other countries perhaps?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 10:54 PM
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16. Why would they want to haul chestnuts from the fire for us?
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 10:54 PM by JVS
We need to leave
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:07 PM
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4. We may be in for a draft no matter who is elected. (well, maybe not DK) -
Quagmire. If they do it, I hope they make it fair (all men and women) and have everyone serve according to their own abilities in some sort of civil service. I believe the way they have enslaved the Guard and Reservists for their own folly is reprehensible. My friend had a long talk w/ her 18 yr old daughter about the draft and she subsequently registered as a Dem.
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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:05 PM
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11. Unfortunately,
all the legislation aimed at bringing back the draft has been submitted by people who are supposed to be Democrats, i.e. Chuck Rangel.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 12:27 AM
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20. IIRC, the Rangel proposal..
was aimed at negating that class imbalance in the draft during the Vietnam era. Rangel, mindful that most of the kids drafted then were poor, urban minorities who didn't have access to draft avoidance tactics, like higher education, wants to make sure that, in the event the draft is reinstated, it is applied to the children of the well-to-do and politically connected too.

If a draft is inevitable, wouldn't you support this?
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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 11:28 AM
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21. bottom line, it calls for a draft
I don't want any draft, no matter how egalitarian it is.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:55 PM
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26. No....
"If a draft is inevitable, wouldn't you support this?"

Not really, the well-connected will always get off. The fact that a few more less connected upper class people will join the ranks of the drafted doesn't exactly inspire me.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:16 PM
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6. Any Draft Dodger
is welcome at my house! Just help with some chores and buy me some beer once in a while!

:beer:
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rdfi-defi Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 11:00 PM
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17. now that's an american
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:43 PM
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7. There is a great, comprehensive website
it might be bushdraft.com or something like that. I found it once.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:48 PM
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8. I would be willing to do some kind of service for the country
I would be more than willing to volunteer my skills and time for a worthy cause, but I will not do military service.
Kerry has a plan to get as many people as possible to do national service such as volunteering to help out just about anywhere, but I don't think he will push for a military draft.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:10 PM
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13. Such as,,,
work for nothing because of bankrupt USA.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 07:49 PM
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9. Before you start telling teens that , you need to be 100% sure
that Kerry won't do it either. There are plenty of other things to burn the scumbush for.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:07 PM
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12. the Bush draft
http://www.bushdraft.com

bad juju. let the kids know. Yes, its real.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 10:48 PM
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15. The draft doesn't scare me.
I would be happy to serve my country and I am not afraid of death. However, I would not want to serve the money-grubbing asshats who currently occupy the White House. If I died knowing it was for the American people, I think that wouldn't be the worst thing. If I die for Bush's wallet, that would be heartbreaking.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 11:10 PM
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19. When was the last time America fought in a war that was truly...
..."for the American people"? WWII, perhaps?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 11:49 AM
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22. What I sent out to MY lists (use it if it suits you)
The DRAFT may be inevitable, but the FORM it takes WILL depend upon who is in the White House. This is what I sent out...cobbled together from some posts found right here on DU yesterday morning. Please feel free to send it out or some modification of it to YOUR lists.

Friends,

I keep sending this information about the coming DRAFT out because I think it is very important that the citizens of the United States, especially the young ones, be fully aware of what is coming. There is absolutely no excuse for this to come as a surprise to anyone. The knowledge is out there, even if it isn't on TV (the corporate media wants to keep us in the dark about a lot of things) and we need to begin to have a dialogue about what this means FOR ALL OF US, draft age and not. Please forward this to anyone of near draft age or who has children or grand children near draft age. Screw chain-mail email with stupid jokes--THIS IS IMPORTANT!

BMU>
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In January 2004, Vice-President Dick Cheney gave a speech in San Francisco outlining a further expansion of the military. In no uncertain terms he announced that our armed forces would be set up in more overseas bases, so the United States could wage war quickly around the globe. "One of the legacies of this administration," he said, "will be some of the most sweeping changes in our military, and our national security strategy as it relates to the military and force structure, and how we're based, and how we used it in the last 50 or 60 years, probably since World War II. I think the changes are that dramatic."
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18225

Coming this Summer (2004), full scale activation of draft processes from drawing the lottery balls to lining up guys in their underwear to issuance of sample induction notices. When bush asks for the draft in April of 2005, the SSS will be ready to conduct the first lottery on June 15, 2005.

This is the official document of the SSS Draft Activation plan:
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Note this quote: "The alignment of human capital with the Agency’s mission and goals is crucial to the achievement of expected performance results." If you're skinny ass is 18 to 26 it will soon become HUMAN CAPITAL to be "spent" by Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security (Military Industrial Complex) for whatever aims they see fit. This is all due to the BOGUS "Endless War on Terrorism" that was brought about because of the events on 9/11 which, as we are now learning, COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED but weren't. Think about that. REALLY think about that.

If you search http://thomas.loc.gov/ for Congressional Bills S.89 ("To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.") and H.R.163 (ditto), you will find they are currently in the Armed Forces Committee in both houses of Congress just waiting for the 2004 election to be over to be trotted out for a vote. These bills allow NO DEFERMENTS other than for finishing high school, and will be used to draft BOTH MEN AND WOMEN in the age range of 18-26. The "special draft" of doctors, nurses, linguists, computer programmers and engineers can be implemented this Summer (2004). However, only a "trigger vote" is needed to reinstate the full Draft as outlined in these bills.

Of course the SSS will no longer call the Draft a "draft". Now it is called the "Registrant Integrated Processing System" or "RIPS" for short. ( RIP "Rest In Peace"--get it? )

HEY, don't YOU want to go fight and die for the profits of Enron and Haliburton, the Carlysle Group, the Bush, Cheney, bin Laden, Saudi and other 'royal' families? If you don't know what I'm talking about, do a google search and educate yourself.
The Energy War, now concentrated on Iraq, is presenting the Bush administration with a formidable dilemma. The United States military is now bogged down in a quagmire where it appears each day more likely that a military victory is impossible, even as it seems politically impossible for the Bush administration to leave (which they have no intention of doing in any case, or they wouldn't have gone in the first place). Among the myriad reasons for this dilemma is the plain fact that 120,000 troops cannot “pacify” a population the size of Iraq that has no apparent intention of consenting to foreign “pacification.” Moreover, the guerrilla resistance in Iraq is creating a steady attrition of troops and materiel, an operational tempo that is unsustainable, and a looming recruitment and retention crisis that threatens the long term health of the armed forces as an institution.

. . . by all accounts the preservation of U.S. dominance in the world is ultimately dependent on seizing control of this region. This is not an irrational war. It is an icily rational war, given that the alternative is to relinquish control of the world's economic future – which would be disastrous for political elites in the United States, because our entire economy, under their direction, is now a house of cards built on an international treasury-bill standard that forces the rest of the world to give loans to the U.S. that it never intends to pay back. Control of the world's peaking energy supply ("peak oil"* google THAT--BMU) is absolutely essential for the U.S. state to maintain its economic arm-lock on China and Europe to enforce their continued complicity in this international extortion racket.

The Bush administration
(and the criminal elite interests they represent) has not the slightest intention of ever leaving Iraq (or anywhere else in the Middle East--BMU).

Given that this is the prime directive, Donald Rumsfeld's accounting and the political risks associated with Selective Service may both have to be overlooked, and in the not-too-distant future.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/022704_draft_goff.html

Thinking of AVOIDING the draft the way the ol' man did in the 60s? Think again: a) there will be NO DEFERMENTS (the entire youth population will be in some form of 'Homeland' conscripted service) and b) there will be NO ESCAPE:
Canada is most certainly out of the question. Treaty revisions have clearly established that the Canadian government will toss draft evaders right back over the border. This will be made easier because the FBI now has agents in several Canadian cities and, since October 2002, the Canadian military is now a part of the Northern Command (Northcom). Northcom is a unified command in which the armed forces of the Continental United States (CONUS), Canada and Mexico all report to an American four-star general. In this case, the general is US Air Force General Ralph Eberhart who was in command of NORAD on 9/11, the day no US fighters responded in time to prevent the attacks even though they had responded much more quickly to less serious breaches 67 times in the previous calendar year.

The FBI now maintains Legal Attaches or Legats in 45 countries around the world with four more to be added in 2004. Other government sources confirm FBI operations in 54 countries.

Getting a draft-aged male out of the country and into a foreign country might not be as easy as 35 years ago with enhanced travel scrutiny and computerized tracking of passenger manifests. In particular, the White House's Smart Borders program with Canada hints that the government is worried about possible draft evasion. The comprehensive, high-tech program will look at travelers going into Canada from the US and will incorporate biometric identifiers, computerized screening of refugee claims, advance passenger screening, joint passenger analysis units, and increased security at ports and bus terminals. Plans are being developed to implement the same procedures along the Mexican border (Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov)

There is a strong likelihood that all members of military alliances with the US will not harbor draft evaders as a part of treaty obligations. This would include member nations of NATO or the ANZAC alliance.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/022704_draft_ruppert.html

What to do? Educate yourselves. Educate others. Begin asking the question: DO we want to fight for the "rulers of the world"? The cost is going to be very very high, my friends. Are we willing to pay THAT COST in dollars and blood and lives--not to mention turning the entire US into a military style society? With everyone passing through mandatory conscription, what would YOU call it?

Here's the thing: Because the "Military Industrial Complex" is a complex of elites who benefit mutually from one another and are in charge of the Presidency and Congress and the armed services--not to mention the corporate media--HOW CAN WE HAVE AN OPEN, DEMOCRATIC DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS SITUATION? How can we begin to ask WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE TO ENDLESS WAR FOR OIL AND GLOBALIZATION? There ARE alternatives--but these alternatives require a restructuring of how CAPITALISM works. The wealthy elites** who profit from war and death and destruction around the world are not interested in ALTERNATIVES because that leaves THEM out.

The Constitution of the United States says WE THE PEOPLE. It's time to for us to begin taking our power back.

MW>

* >> See: "The Party's Over; Oil, War and the Fate of Indsutrial Societies," by Richard Heinberg
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0865714827/qid=1080501438/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9970289-1880642?v=glance&s=books

** >> The Bush family have been war profiteers for generations. See: "American Dynasty; Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush," by Kevin Phillips
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670032646/qid=1080501562/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-9970289-1880642
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 12:11 PM
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23. hmm.. as a middle class white college educated kid starting grad school
maybe I should just hope for the status quo.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:51 PM
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25. already know and am scared to death
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