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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:20 PM
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Ashcroft and "No commercial Planes " Statement


I saw some right wing bigot on CSPAN this morning- Beyer, a radio host.

Caller:Mr. Beyer explain to me why Ashcroft and others were told they should avoid commericaial aircraft before 911

Beyer: I have never heard anything like that. Whenever someone tells me some wild thing that they probably got off the internet I tell them to name me the source,

Yhis is nothing but Democrats making up things

Does anyone have the source?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:22 PM
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1. Google can be your best friend...
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 05:32 PM
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37. "public seems to buy specious "explanations" when uttered...
by a government official." Like B*sh explaining that he sat on his fat keester for 25 min. after WTC attacks because he didn't want to scare the children.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:23 PM
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2. Here it is
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001


Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3 Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond.

All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners. Janet Reno, Ashcroft's predecessor as attorney general, also routinely flew commercial. The secretaries of State and Defense traditionally travel with extra security on military planes.

The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:25 PM
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4. Yep, and that story is PRIOR TO the 9/11 attack.
They did it because of the THREAT ASSESSMENT!!!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:51 PM
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29. I sent this link to C-SPAN this morning
While that windbag was still on and asked them to share this with their guest. I guess they didn't want to clear that one up with him. Oh well... :shrug:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:23 PM
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3. wrong forum
but, post in GD and you'll have all the links you can handle.

it is VERY widely known. this POS is just flat out LYING. duh
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:28 PM
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5. These DUrs are good.......did ya see the link goclark?
There is nothing like an organized bunch of Dems.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:37 PM
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7. Wow..answers were swift!


Now I'm wondering how I can get this information to this Boyer person. He was on with Brian?Lamb this morning.
I would love to email him and give him the sources. I'm sure he was probably lying and didn't want to open a can of worms with the truth.

I think that Repubs really do hear the truth,they are just not capable of interpreting what they hear. They are " my mind is made up and don't confuse me with facts" idiots.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:30 PM
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6. google "fishing rod in hand"
Beyer is a liar or a dumbass. Or both
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:39 PM
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8. He's Jerry Bowyer of WPTT Pittsburgh
Know-it-all Conservative talk host his email is JerryBowyer@yahoo.com

Show him CSpan watchers are paying attention to his crap.

Here's a pic from one of his listeners when in Kuwait



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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:49 PM
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13. Did you hear that conversation
with the guy who was bragging to Bowyer about signing Bowyer's name on a bomb dropped in Iraq? Jerry and that guy had quite a chuckle.

It seems that the bomb was a cluster bomb and we know that it didn't get Saddam. How can anyone think this is funny? I wonder if some poor Iraqi kid lost their life from the bomb when it was dropped, or maybe by mistaking one of the unexploded bomblets for a ball?

I was sick at my stomach.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:41 PM
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9. Send Boyer an email at this address.
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 05:51 PM by JohnyCanuck
JerryBowyer@yahoo.com (Another DUer had a thread about this same topic)

I sent him a couple links about the Ashcroft story and told him he should hang out at DU so he doesn't get caught off guard by these things.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/06/03/hsorensen.DTL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14749-2002May26Found=true

I also mentioned the breaking Salon and Tomflocco.com story about the FBI translator claiming that the FBI had lots of info on iminent hijack threats prior to 9/11 and that her efforts at translating terrorist intercepts was being sabotaged.

Edit to fix spelling mistake in email address. Apologies if I caused any problems with the incorrect address.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:48 PM
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12. Way to go DU'ers!
I was listening to his bs this morning and sent him an email with a link about how Ashcroft stopped flying commercial.

I should of know the :evilgrin: DU'ers where on it!

I haven't heard back from Jerry Blows, have any of you?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:51 PM
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14. He sometimes has authors on his show
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 05:55 PM by rmpalmer
Both sides - likes to ridicule the liberal ones of course. Even heard him challenge a caller to send figures and a telephone # to debate him. Hah - he ought to get some DU'ers to debate his ass.

Bet Will Pitt would be a match for Jerry!

BTW, WPTT is on the web - Jerry's show is 7-10AM - maybe some DU'ers that can outtalk him would like to call in. 412-333-1360

http://www.1360wptt.com/

Jerry's been real full of himself lately cause the WH always calls him for those conservative radio propaganda broadcast parties. Also when Cheney flew in to Latrobe recently for a fund raiser they called Jerry for an exclusive interview.

That's Jerry with his good buddy Wolfowitz

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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:54 PM
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15. bartcop
now there would be a whoop ass session!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:43 PM
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10. Source is CBS News. "Ashcroft Flying High"
www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=KA01
The Secrets of September 11
The White House is battling to keep a report on the terror attacks secret. Does the 2004 election have anything to do with it?

April 30 Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.

<snip>

Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United Statesand implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike in the coming weeks, the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.

The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to senior government officials.


www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15957-2001
Summer Spinning
To GOP, Vacation Boosted Bush Agenda; To Democrats, Voters See a Shirk Ethic
Aug 29, <2001>

<snip>

The White House had announced that Bush would stay at his 1,600-acre ranch in Crawford from Aug. 4 through Labor Day on Sept. 3, a 31-day stretch that would have broken a modern record for a presidential vacation, held by Richard M. Nixon for a 30-day trip to San Clemente, Calif., in 1969. News reports played up the record, and a Gallup Poll found that 55 percent of respondents thought Bush's vacation was too long.

The length of the trip revived old questions about Bush's work ethic, and the poll and the news coverage caused consternation in the White House. Aides said they had planned an ambitious schedule for Bush as long ago as late June, but reporters were not told about it, even after they landed here. The White House, suddenly defensive, took every opportunity to show Bush on the go and even created a "Western White House" logo for the briefing room at Crawford Elementary School. Bush revealed that his ranch had new video conferencing equipment for keeping in touch with his national security team.

www.jacksonholenews.com/Archives/NewsArchive/2001/010815-News.html
News story - Aug. 15, 2001
A Working Vacation
Vice President Cheney plans to fish, travel during month-long valley sojourn.
By Angus M. Thuermer Jr.

Vice President Dick Cheney took time off from his month-long working vacation Monday to outline his plans for August in Jackson Hole and to reflect on "an amazing year."

Cheney, who will live at his Teton Pines home about six miles west of Jackson until Labor Day, defended his energy policy, supported a local decision to limit drilling around the Gros Ventre Wilderness, recalled a life of service in Washington and said his health problems are not affecting his ability to fish for trout on his favorite Western waters.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.


BushCO knew attacks were coming.

So they left DC.

They protected ONLY THEMSELVES.

They LIHOP.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:54 PM
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21. You are a national treasure Stephanie ....
Honestly: ... you have the goods ....
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:23 PM
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22. LOL! I have my pet obsessions.
Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 08:24 PM by Stephanie
Ashcroft Flying High is the smoking gun as far as I'm concerned and I've been saying it for two years. So have other people. Mike Niendorff for one. The fact that they all split town when they knew an attack was about to come down is CLEAR evidence, IMO. Combine that with PNAC's desire for a "new Pearl Harbor" and we have everything but the DNA test.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:34 PM
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25. Hot damn ...
I could SWEAR I ran around here "with my hair on fire' screaming the same thing ...

Those vacations were SO damning in my mind ...

But: I couldnt reconcile the fact that vacations are often taken in that period: august - sept ....

Nevertheless: .. the Ashcroft switch IS damning ... and at least a few respectable sources for this information CAN be damning to the WH ...

WHy hasnt the media dug into this further ? ... This is gold ...
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 05:44 PM
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11. Didn't Richard Clarke mention this?
I think he said he issued the aviation warning. Did anyone else hear this?

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:04 PM
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16. and later when he was asked about it
he walked out of his office.

July 26, 2001: CBS News reports that Attorney General Ashcroft has stopped flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment, but "neither the FBI nor the Justice Department ... would identify (to CBS) what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it." (CBS, 7/26/01) "Ashcroft demonstrated an amazing lack of curiosity when asked if he knew anything about the threat. 'Frankly, I don't,' he told reporters." (San Francisco Chronicle, 6/3/02) It is later reported that he stopped flying in July based on threat assessments made on May 8 and June 19. In May 2002 its claimed the threat assessment had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, but Ashcroft walked out of his office rather than answer questions about it. (AP, 5/16/02) The San Francisco Chronicle concludes, "The FBI obviously knew something was in the wind ... The FBI did advise Ashcroft to stay off commercial aircraft. The rest of us just had to take our chances." (San Francisco Chronicle, 6/3/02) CBS's Dan Rather later says of this warning: "Why wasn't it shared with the public at large?" (Washington Post, 5/27/02)

Go here and search for "July 26, 2001":
http://complete911timeline.org/main/timelinebefore911.html

we have to send all this info out to everyone asap. ... and remember that BOTH bush and cheney took ALL of August off for vacation.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:26 PM
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23. " The rest of us just had to take our chances."
See, that's the most damning thing about it. They saved THEMSELVES.

Remember that Bush Sr. was at the WH? I wonder why Jr. decided not to tell him? Oedipal rage?
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:22 PM
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17. I heard that guy this morning...
and came to DU as soon as I got home hoping to find a thread just like this one! I remember Beyer also said that if there was proof that Ashcroft had refused to fly on commercial planes,that it would show that they had known ahead of time. (I'm not sure if that's the exact phrase he used,but that was what he was saying). WTG DUers!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:52 PM
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18. Bowyer says go into Iraq and Iran too!
But Iraq was weaker and made a better target!

Also the fact that Saddam was a sponsor of terrorism. He needs to check his sources. Saddam supported anti-Israeli terrorism. So Saddam supporting anti-Israel terrorism is justification enough for the pre-emptive expenditure of American wealth and lives.

Clarke is selling books! Now there is a critique by Bowyer who is pumping his book!

Bowyer is an interesting guy. Reminds me of a spook I know. He tried to say we didn't give Saddam weapons of mass destruction, we only failed to stop him from getting components (like anthrax) from us.

"Economy doing quite well due to presidents tax cut."

This guy is scary. He is also full of shit.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:12 PM
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19. Check out Bowyer's book: The Bush Boom
Full title of the book is "The Bush Boom: How a Misunderestimated President Fixed a Broken Economy".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1594670870/102-5574755-0682529?v=glance&s=books

So, what does that tell you about Jerry's grasp of realty?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:47 PM
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20. I sent him this e-mail.....
.....Saw you on C-SPAN here's some info I know you'll just love!

RE: Ashcroft not flying commercial just before 9/11,

Here's the story from CBS News from July 26, 2001 posted at 21:53:20 EST.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

<Begin>

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

<Snip>

Here's another source or two.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,719231,00.html

<Snip>

On September 10 last year, the last day of what is now seen as a bygone age of innocence, Mr Ashcroft sent a request for budget increases to the White House. It covered 68 programmes, none of them related to counter-terrorism.

He also sent a memorandum to his heads of departments, stating his seven priorities. Counter-terrorism was not on the list. He turned down an FBI request for hundreds more agents to be assigned to tracking terrorist threats.

Nevertheless, he began using a chartered private jet to travel around the country, rather than take commercial airliners as Ms Reno had done. A justice department spokesman said this was done as a result of an FBI "threat assessment" on Mr Ashcroft, but insisted that the assessment was not specifically linked to al-Qaida.

But Mr Ashcroft stopped using commercial flights in July, just as the intelligence "chatter" about a possible al-Qaida strike on US soil was getting louder.

According to yesterday's edition of Newsweek, he had a showdown on counter-terrorism with the outgoing FBI director, Louis Freeh, in the spring of last year in Quantico, Virginia, at an annual meeting of special agents.

People at the meeting said the two disagreed fundamentally on their priorities.

Mr Ashcroft's agenda comprised "basically violent crime and drugs" and when Mr Freeh began to talk about his concern about the terrorist threat facing the country, "Ashcroft didn't want to hear about it".
<Snip>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2002/06/03/hsorensen.DTL

<Snip>

Ashcroft used to fly commercial, just as Janet Reno did. So why, two months before Sept. 11, did he start taking chartered government planes?

CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart asked the Justice Department.

Because of a "threat assessment" by the FBI, he was told. But "neither the FBI nor the Justice Department ... would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it," CBS News reported.

The FBI did advise Ashcroft to stay off commercial aircraft. The rest of us just had to take our chances.

The FBI obviously knew something was in the wind. Why else would it have Ashcroft use a $1,600-plus per hour G-3 Gulfstream when he could have flown commercial, as he always did before, for a fraction of the cost?
<Snip>

And then there's this warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown mere 8 hours before the attack.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

<Begin>

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

Mike McCarron, assistant deputy director at SFO, said the Federal Aviation Administration "routinely" issues security notices about possible threats. He said two or three such notices have been received in the past couple of months,

but none in recent days.
<Snip>

Of course you'll probably just shrug this off as 'internet rumors' after all, who are Willie Brown, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Guardian and CBS News anyway!

You also say we didn't give Saddam WMD's? Just 'pre cursors'? Boy you don't seem to know the truth do you? I'll dig you up the Congressional testimony regarding the anthrax, botulin toxin, and a whole slew of other bio weapons materials that Bush Sr. gave Saddam when he was our 'friend' fighting against Iran as well as the list of American companies that supplied the equipment to manufacture them.

What flavor is that Kool-Aid anyway? :)

Pat x. xxxxxx
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:38 PM
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26. That's a great collection of articles
How can they claim that they didn't know?

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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:44 PM
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28. Perhaps their firewall blocks Google......
.....or their just full of sh*t! :evilgrin:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:53 PM
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30. Excellent !
ParanoidPat, you do good work! :)
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 10:15 PM
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32. Which company provided security there?
Was it ptech (BMI), ICTS, or one of Marvins outfits?
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BGrier Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:31 PM
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24. Isn't This A Smoking Gun?
I've never seen this addressed anywhere. Doesn't this prove they knew there was a threat to airliners before 9-11?

Is anyone going to ask the question or are they just too horrified of the answer?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:39 PM
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27. We've been asking these questions for two years
Be sure to watch Bill Moyers NOW tonight if you can. Kristin Breitweiser is interviewed.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 08:55 PM
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31. I Emailed The Lier Just Now

Thanks for the info DU buddies!

I informed him that I had listened in shock to his flat out twisting of what I am sure he knows to be the truth. I referred him to numerous sources.

I also let him know that I am an every morning listener to CSPAN and that I would stay on my telephone every day until I am able to let the CSPAN viewers know that he "strayed from the truth" on Friday,March 26th 2004 at approximately 6:02 PST.

I told him that I was so upset that innocent people were listening to his smooth lies. I informed him that I wanted to alert the other stations to be aware of this issue when and if they select him to be "fair and balanced" with their viewers.

I cc'd my email to the CBS,Faux,NBC and CNN and CSPAN
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 03:50 PM
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33. Good for you!
Any response?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 03:55 PM
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34. Are we going to Email Beyer the sources about Ashcroft not flying?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 04:07 PM
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35. I think he has got lots of emails already
In addition to this thread there was an earlier one as well on the same topic that listed his email address and requested DUers email him with links for this overlooked story.

However anyone who wishes to, should feel free to email him again.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 04:56 PM
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36. here's the info....
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/timelinebefore911.html

July 26, 2001: CBS News reports that Attorney General Ashcroft has stopped flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment, but "neither the FBI nor the Justice Department ... would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it." FTW "Ashcroft demonstrated an amazing lack of curiosity when asked if he knew anything about the threat. 'Frankly, I don't,' he told reporters." It is later reported that he stopped flying in July based on threat assessments made on May 8 and June 19. In May 2002 its claimed the threat assessment had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, but Ashcroft walked out of his office rather than answer questions about it. The San Francisco Chronicle concludes, "The FBI obviously knew something was in the wind ... The FBI did advise Ashcroft to stay off commercial aircraft. The rest of us just had to take our chances." CBS's Dan Rather later says of this warning: "Why wasn't it shared with the public at large?"
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38. It could be more fruiful to email the 9-11 Commission to request...
... that Ashcroft be questioned about his flight habits at the next scheduled set of hearings, on April 13th-14th.
Given its title, "Law Enforcement and the Intelligence Community. Washington, DC, April 13-14, 2004" your questions belong on the agenda, and the Commission won't release its witness list until about April 3rd, according to http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/index.htm :

"The following represents the remainder of the Commissions 2004 investigative hearing schedule:

March 23-24, 2004 Counterterrorism Policy Washington, DC

April 13-14, 2004 Law Enforcement and the Intelligence Community Washington, DC

May 18-19, 2004 Emergency Response New York City The 9-11 Plot New York City

June 8-9, 2004 National Crisis Management Washington, DC

Additional information, including times, locations, and panels, will be disseminated approximately ten days prior to each hearing. Such information will also be available on the Commissions website--www.9-11commission.gov. Hearing dates and topics are subject to change at any time.

AL FELZENBERG, DEPUTY FOR COMMUNICATIONS National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Office: 202-401-1725 Cell: 202-236-4878 Fax: 202-296-5545"

afelzenberg@9-11commission.gov

Accusations about Ashcroft's shifts in FBI priorities away from counterterrorism belong on the agenda too. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1276543

There is documentary evidence that counterterrorism was Janet Reno's #1 priority, but it didn't make Ashcroft's top 7. Also, Ashcroft should be asked how many Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants he approved BEFORE 9-11. The secret court's report to Congross only gives the total for the year 2001, including warrants approved AFTER 9-11. Under Clinton, apparently hundreds of these warrants were issued at a steady pace.
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