Conservatives now attack Clinton

[question everything]

How would DUers respond to these comments?

"Clinton administration was in power for eight years, while al Qaeda grew, prospered, and repeatedly attacked American interests:"

"Given that the Bush Administration did little to block Al Qaeda in the 8 months prior to 9/11, and given that the Clinton Administration did little to block Al Qaeda during the 8 years of their administration, which administration had the most opportunity to nip the Al Qaeda terrorist organization in the bud, once their real aims became known, and which administration took best advantage of their opportunity?"

"Mansoor Ijaz was a Clinton confidant and fund-raiser during the Clinton years. But he became dissatisfied with Clinton's lack of understanding or interest concerning the need to block the rise of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden in the mid- to late-'90s.

Here is how Ijaz describes the Clinton failure to do more while Al Qaeda was still in it's formative stages:

"Bill Clinton's inability to understand what was fueling the rise of bin Laden as a phenomenon — not as an individual — was the greatest U.S. foreign policy failure of the last half-century. It has affected hundreds of millions worldwide. Even if we get him now, who will be the next bin Laden? There are many willing candidates standing in line. Islamic radicalism exists today because Clinton didn't dismantle al Qaeda when he had the chance."


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Of course, whatever Clinton would have done, it would have been labelled as "wagging the dog.."

[newscaster]

1. Conservatives attack everyone in sight.....

to keep from being covered in the slime they created. They will deny allegations against them without proof that their denials are real.
They will accuse people of lying, of cheating and doing the very things they have been accused of.
It appears to be a nasty bunch of children going nyahhh nyahhh nyahhh.
It is truly pathetic.

[keithyboy]

16. I can't wait until the 'big dog' gets to speak for himself!!

It will be sweet! Especially since he was required to appear in defense of his penis.

[LincolnMcGrath]

2. MR FAUX NEWS?

[troublemaker]

3. Mansoor Ijaz is a liar and a Fox news employee

He's the guy that peddles the "Sudan offered Bin Laden on a platter" scam to the credulous.

Ijaz sucked up to Clinton because Clinton was president. Now he sucks up to Bush.

He seems to have made up a bogus "offer" of Bin Laden hoping to get sanctions on Sudan eased because he had big investments there. Everyone in the Clinton admin wrote him off as a scam artist.

[Solomon]

23. I like how Charlie Rangel completely destroyed this guy on tv one

night. After this asshole gave his story about negotiating the turn over of bin laden, Rangel asked, who the hell are you? and who gave you authority to negotiate for the US? What was your position?

Completely shut the asshole up.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. ROTFL!

I wish I could have seen that exchange.

[Robbien]

4. Clinton is out of power, Bush is in power and is the current threat

to our safety. First make Bush accountable, then we will talk.

[Dr Fate]

5. First I would insist on the source. What is the source for this info?

What site is it from?

You want me to rebut somthing and I dont even know how much of it is true...

[question everything]

8. Some op-eds from the Washington Times, I think

Yes, I know, another of Murdoch's empire

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20031021-090350-3425r.htm


http://www.nationalreview.com/ijaz/ijaz200403230855.asp

Never heard of Mansoor Ijaz so I am glad for the comments here.


Some idiot on Fox earlier today was haranguing on Clinton for reducing the military. Of course this was when everyone knew that the Cold War was over so this is really stupid.


I am, however, concerned about that interview that Fox "exposed." That at that time Clarke did praise Bush.

[mot78]

15. A lot of those cuts were initiated by Cheney and Poppy *

[Viking12]

40. Reverend Moon

not Murdoch. The Wash Times is owned and subsidized by the Moonies, not Murdoch.

[bluestateguy]

6. He's been Foxified

Much like Greta Van Susteren, Geraldo and Susan Estrich.

[asthmaticeog]

7. Bin Laden asscociated terrorists

didn't even start attacking US targets until sometime during Clinton's second term IIRC, so that "8 years" thing is bullfuckingshit right there. And um, does LAX still exist? It does. That's because Clinton's counter-terror people were empowered to thwart Al Quaida. The WTC, on the other hand, does not currently exist. And how are things going over at the Quadragon?

[question everything]

9. Yes, and this was my initial response, immediately after the 60 minutes

Was the first WTC attack, in 1993, associated with Al Qaeda?

[pinniped]

10. That shining pic gives me the creeps.

But that's exactly what I saw in the movie.

[noonwitch]

17. If they want to blame someone for the creation of the bin Laden threat...

Clinton is the wrong guy. Reagan and Daddy Bush are far more responsible, for training bin Laden on how to be an effective terrorist against the USSR in Afganistan in the 80s, and providing him with weapons.


I used to think that Iran/Contra was the worst thing a President ever did, until this administration.

[bearfartinthewoods]

24. you do not recall correctly

1993...first WTT bombing was AQ

[mouse7]

37. Agreed... and we had most of the perps in jail in a week

Those were the idiots that tried to claim the Ryder Truck they blew up in the WTC basement was stolen and tried to get their deposit back....

(Similar to the guys who pulled off brilliant Tiffany's heist, then started selling the Tiffany's jewelery on the streets of NYC the next day)

...so Clinton doesn't exactly qualify for bonus points on that bust. It was kinda handed to him.

This is one of the reason I have a hard time with portait of Al-Queda as "masterminding" anything.

[corporatewhore]

11. clintons penis is responsible for al qaeda and dont forget it

[YankeeFan]

35. He’s right.

If Clinton had concentrated banging Al Qaeda and not interns things wouldn’t be so..

:hurts:

And Bush 43 would be having a much harder time in the polls.

[The Almighty Clenis]

42. Oh yes, I did it all. I also shot down the Columbia.

And I don't even need Viagra, unlike that dweeb Dole!

[Kool Kitty]

12. "Conservatives now attack Clinton"?

Like it's something new? When did they ever STOP attacking Clinton?

[robbedvoter]

22. yeah - were were you for the last 11 years? Mars?

Remember Tim Ruslut? This guy:

You need to do some reading now that you are out of that cave. ;-)

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. They will never listen to the details that prove their conclusions are

wrong. But there was a major quake in their world yesterday. The fact that it's becoming common knowledge that Fox News is conservative will result in a loss of moderate viewers who didn't know this before. I've already seen a change. In waiting rooms in auto service areas, in pizza parlors -- anywhere that businesses rely on neutrality -- the channel has been changed to CNN, not Fox News. This is a big change, in just six months time.

[question everything]

27. Not in Lifetime Fitness in the Twin Cities

They have several monitors tuned to the main network stations, ESPN, CNBC, Lifetime and they used to have CNN and Headline News. Last Thanksgiving I thought that I was watching HN, this was when they showed Bush with the fake turkey in Baghdad. I was mainly listening on my radio while huffing and puffing on the treadmill. But then I noticed that the browny points were too much to be HN and then I glanced and saw the Fox logo. I was really mad and complained on their web page. The manager called almost immediately, said that, no, Murdoch does not own the club but that they were getting tons of complaints that they did not carry Fox... Sad.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Well, here is something someone can do on their own.

Anytime you're in a place that has t.v., ask them to change the channel. They can always change it back after you leave.

[question everything]

45. I did. They "claimed" that they cannot not.. n/t

[elperromagico]

14. Conservatives attack Clinton?!? Wow.

Out of office for three years, and he still can't get a break.

[underpants]

18. Let's check the numbers-67 Americans died at the handof foreign ........

terrorists while Clinton was PRESIDENT. AT least 3,570 have died while Bush has been PRESIDENT (3+) years which includes the 9/11 victims and the soldiers lost in Iraq (psst if you call them "terrorists" their acts are acts of terrorism).

[ellie]

19. My impression

is that during the Clinton years there were three things going on. First Clinton and his administration were concerned about the terrorist threat and were trying to do something about it. Then, there was the CIA who was just downright incompetent with intelligence. Finally you have the repuke-controlled Congress who would sacrifice every last American life to get what they wanted. When do we see Newt Gingrich hauled in front of the panel? He is as much to blame as the do-nothing * losers.

[oldcoot]

25. Exactly

The Republican-controlled Congress did not cooperate with Clinton. If you want a specific link to show them, use http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/.

[question everything]

28. Excellent! Thank you! n/t

[Gman]

20. Classic example of the use of the Clinton's Penis defense

When they're in a corner with no way out they use the Clinton's Penis defense.

[robbedvoter]

21. Ya mean, the Mighty Clenis - responsible for anything

from the death of the dinasaurus to the Hindemburg. The Mighty Clenis is a force so fearsome, so evil, no republican dater mention it without committing 3 crimes first - to ward his spell....

[The Almighty Clenis]

43. It's *AL*mighty for you missus. And don't EVER forget that! (nt)

[kiahzero]

31. Exactly

Hell, I just caught it before I was able to get over to the TV and turn off "Tough Crowd"... fucking "comics" that don't know what the hell they're talking about.

"Clinton had more important things on his mind than terrorism.. like Monica Lewinsky's ass. Ha ha ha ha ha... I'm so fucking funny!"

:eyes:

[oldcoot]

26. Ask them this question

If it is all Clinton's fault, why was Clinton willing to testify in front of the commission publicly and with no time constraint while Bush wanted to testify in private and for only one hour? Here is a link if you need it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4401034 .

[maggrwaggr]

29. simply have them actually watch the tape of Richard Clarke

all their questions will be answered.

[FredScuttle]

30. How would I respond?

"Eat me, you ignorant prick"

that seems to be my common response these days...I tire of using reason, logic and the simple truth to no avail.

And while we're reaching back in history to blame Clinton for 9/11, shouldn't we take the Eisenhower administration to task for not convincing Osama's mother to abort him in 1957?

[Triple H]

32. They attacked us while Bush was president...

Sure, Clinton had eight years, but...Bush had nine months to stop whatever was gonna happen...and, as we all know, he didn't. So he's at fault (Bush).

PS: What does it mean to "wag the dog?"

[scottcsmith]

34. Ah, but they ignore one very important fact

When Clinton was pushing his anti-terrorism legislation in 1996, Republicans dropped the wiretapping provisions of the legislation -- worried that it would erode civil liberties. They sure changed their tune when a Republican president proposed what amounts to the exact same wiretapping provision in the Patriot Act.

[coda]

36. Why did *, with 90% support going into Afghanistan, drop al qaeda

(his stated 1# Priority) to pursue the completely contained Mayor of Baghdad?

[mouse7]

38. Last I checked, Bill Clinton isn't running.

Tell them that when they can prove that Bill Clinton is running for president in 2004, their criticisms of Clinton are pointless.

John Kerry is running against Dumbya, not Clinton.

[sendero]

41. I love it...

... like religious nuts, the Clinton haters live in such an echo-chamber that they cannot imagine anyone not hating Clinton.

But, Clinton had a 70% approval rating in the middle of the impeachment farce. People saw the impeachment nonsense and they (except for the lost 30% idiot contingent) will see through this lame attempt at deflection as well. I hope they keep whining about Clinton, they will lose votes every time they do.

And beyond all that - they themselves created an environment where Clinton could take almost no military action without being accused of "wagging the dog".

These dumb fucks can go to hell, not everyone is as bloody stupid as they are. :(

[NicRic]

44. You mean ,continue to attack ?

When did they ever stop attacking our last great President Clinton. They where attacking him B/4 he ever became Presiedent ,continued the attacks thru his eight years of being President, and like a bad cold that wont go away the attacks continue to this day .I have much more to say then these two words to repugs on this subject ,however I will start with them 'GROW UP' !