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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:48 PM
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They didn't lay a glove on Clarke----agree or disagree?
I think they didn't touch his credibility and he made his detractors look absolutely foolish.
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:49 PM
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1. Oh, they sure tried, but...
Dick Clark(e) kept it rockin' (HEY!), kept it boppin' (HEY!), bandstand, BANDSTAND...

Later.

RJS
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:49 PM
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Agree Completely
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:49 PM
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2. Untouched.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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11. got that, but they're TRYING to nail him on MSNBC right now
some jamoke named Downing is giving it to him now, calling him an exaggerator, pumping up his role, defending Tenet's role in WOT, decrying Clinton's lack of meeting with Tenet

jerk
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:17 PM
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32. Will the RW media ceaselessly spin in an attempt to discredit him?
Sure. But that's a different issue.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:26 PM
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36. isn't that just disgusting?
The guy's in a near panic trying to discredit Clarke. So obviously fucking partisan, trying to smear him.

I'm just disgusted by this to no end.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:04 PM
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53. Rasmussen Poll Latest: Bush 44 Kerry 47

now mind you it's only a tracking poll but this kinda puts the damage in perspective, it tracks the last 3 days, in this case Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, so since Sunday would be mostly pre-Clarke bombshell, i think it's safe to say Kerry got about a 7 point bounce! Well for what it's worth.

I thought Clarke did unbelievable! His attackers were sent sheepishly running back to the woods. Woo Woo.

As for Condi, she has no shred of credibility since she refused to testify before the committee.

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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:18 PM
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55. WOO HOO!
Keep the momentum up!

The only thing Kerry has to fear are other Democrats, sadly...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:19 PM
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56. "Exaggerator" is a long distance
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 06:21 PM by rocknation
from "liar."

There's somebody on MSNBC saying he's "guilty" of "Shifting stories if not shifting loyalties." Dan Abrams says the Bush White House should prosecute Clarke if he's lying.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:50 PM
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3. agree
he was calm, rational and was IMHO a terrific witness. I think he made Condosleezas refusal to testify look even worse.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:50 PM
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4. Agreed.
In fact, he kicked their asses every time they attacked him.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:50 PM
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5. They didn't even come close
to touching him.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:50 PM
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6. Yep ... Rush is probably hurling right now
:puke: :puke: :puke:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:00 PM
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27. hurling yeah, but that's from opiates
nausea, you know
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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7. I think that
we have witnessed history in the making and the beginning of the end of the * administration. Not only didn't they lay a glove on him some even took off their gloves and threw in the towel.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:52 PM
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13. I agree
Devastating testimony
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:00 PM
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26. Yep, history in the making
The beginning of the end of the BFEE.

Clarke changed some minds today.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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8. AGREE!!!
BTW, Guy --did you get my email I sent in to your show?

:hi:
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:53 PM
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16. Sure did
Thanks! Its such a help to have interaction during the show with DU'ers.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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9. Agree - unless they edit it to just show the allegations and slams
the rethugs were trying to hit him with. But if you saw the whole thing including when he got to respond that a lot of his criticisms are because of Iraq and in his earlier testimony to the commission he did not deal with Iraq.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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10. Agree
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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12. It was close there for a while but Kerrey put Thompson and Lehman away
but notice that he questioned the other bombshell of the Iraq war hurting the war on terror. Thompson had to get away from going point to point.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:52 PM
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14. They not only didn't lay a glove on him...
he KO'd them and came away with even more credibility than when he walked in, imo!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:52 PM
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15. Clarke said he would not accept an appointment in the Kerry...
...administration. That sounds like Clarke feels Kerry will win. Keep it up Richard, we've almost got Bush in his spider-hole!!!!!:bounce:
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:53 PM
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17. Clarke kicked ass!
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:55 PM
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18. Not much competition for Clarke/Kerrey. Are these old has beens
the best the Repugnants could come up with? WOW!
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:56 PM
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19. Clarke has far MORE credibility now than he started with
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 03:56 PM by mouse7
The combination of dispatching all claims made against him by ReThugs without breaking a sweat combined with the statement that he would refuse a position in a Kerry admin make Clarke now almost untouchable.
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skeptic9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:33 PM
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39. Don't forget his abject apology to 9/11 victims' families...
... for failing to protect their loved ones. That was the sole substance of his one-minute statement to the Commission before fielding questions. Even Fox "News" has had to lead with that sound byte from Clarke... it was the highlight of the day and will be remembered long after all this "backgrounder" nonsense is forgotten.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:56 PM
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20. yup!
but he got more than a few hits on the idiot repubs on the panel...

hi guy!
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cclark401 Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:00 PM
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24. Agree
Loved every minute of it. Sort of reminds me of when the McCarthy was trounced. I could just see *'s inept team squirming!!!!

So sweet..
"not a matter or morals at all, it's a matter of politics"
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:58 PM
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21. Certainly agree
Clarke put a stomping on them.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:59 PM
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22. He 'Floated Like A Butterfly, Stung Like A Bee' !!!
Clarke was superb!!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:59 PM
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23. they only damaged the credibility of the Commission
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:00 PM
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25. nada
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:07 PM
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28. I don't know!
I will tonight when I get home and look at the replay on Cspan. I'm extremely heartened reading this thread, though!
:bounce:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:10 PM
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29. didn't touch him
and, as importantly, the audience LOVED him. If they try to go after him, the 9-11 families will eat them alive. IMHO
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:12 PM
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30. absolutely!!!
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:16 PM
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31. Clarke really handled well that sticky little bit about his "conflicting"
statements made to the "Joint Inquiry" vs. his book. Thompson got his ass kicked soundly there, hee, hee.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:21 PM
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33. Agreed...Clarke kicked butt...
the media will tear him apart for bushie.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:22 PM
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34. abso-fuckin'-lutely
Clarke put 'em all to shame.
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:24 PM
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35. I agree wholeheartedly
Makes the administration's spinning and trying to discredit him look horrible (and guilty!)
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:28 PM
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37. Man, he kicked thier ASSES. You could have heard a pin drop
after the quote about Iraq. Dead silence.

Man, what a relief to hear somebody telling the truth and actually interested in telling it. How many years has it been?

Even the stuff that's been bugging us for years now, like the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out. He had a very credible story and a very simple answer for that. He seemed like he actually wanted to get the truth out there, something NOBODY else wants to do from that fucking administration
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:32 PM
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38. after sharpening their knives for days, they still couldn't touch him. n/t
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SendTheGOPPacking Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:11 PM
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40. Agree completely
Now wait till the right wing pundits get started.

I thought Clarke looked pretty credible.
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:14 PM
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41. Buh Bye George!
That, my friends, was the sound of nails being driven into Shrub's political coffin.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:15 PM
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42. He seemed extremely damaging to Bush.
his credibility is rock-solid
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:24 PM
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43. Yes, Clarke was a tall cool smoothie...
If I was Clarke, I would have lost it when Thompson came out on his first question and basically called him a liar.

But Clarke was smooth all the way through it. Explains to me how he was able to keep his WH positions for so long.
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Digger Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:24 PM
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44. Agreed
Clarke really knows how to handle himself; it was almost like he was toying with them. I love to watch 'em squirm. :nopity:

He just might be the first repub I don't hate. :toast:
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Manwithchildeyes Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:31 PM
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45. I missed it. Did they bring up his prior statements promoting bush?
The resignation letter, the transcript of him saying he redoubled Clinton's efforts etc. Were those mentioned at the trial?
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brslives Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:47 PM
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46. Attention Dubya: This is what Leadership looks like.
I live in New York, about a half mile from ground zero. I didn't lose anyone in the towers, but all of us in the immediate area went through months of hell.

This is the first time I've heard anyone in a position of power take personal and professional responsibility for the greatest security failure in the history of our country. I wept bitter tears today to finally hear somebody say, "We let you down."

And while we're at it, don't ever let anyone tell you Gweeleeoni did jack for new york! After 9/11 he was instantly transformed from a pudtz, trigomyst joke, into the hottest media ticket in town, giving private tours of the carnage to a stream of jet setters, movie stars, and international politico wannabes. And he nearly milked his overnight fame all the way to the Senate. Thank God Hillary put a cork in his pie hole. Maybe she hasn't done much for the city since, but at least she put paid to that phony loser. Prostate cancer indeed.

But the point is: THANK YOU, MR. CLARKE. I forgive YOU.

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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:49 PM
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47. The big question is how Rather, Jennings and Brokaw play it tonight
THese cable networks, in the grand scheme of things, don't count for shit which is just what they are.
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:53 PM
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48. They didn't, but the media whores are pounding him
I can't believe their interpretation of the testimony I saw. Wolf had some twit who couldn't adequately get that someone speaking for an administration cannot offer their personal opinion and will not freely provide information to hurt the admin's case. Of course, Wolf watched as well and he also didn't understand this? Before he became a whore, was Wolf a reporter once?

I'm afraid that those who watch it will have a far different opinion than those reading about this. I hope the newspapers and Evening News do a better job.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:57 PM
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49. That HUGE pause after Clarke responded
that Bush's Iraq invasion has severely damaged our war on terror was incredible. The guy who asked the question had nothing to say in reponse. Awesome. Brave.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:58 PM
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50. that was one of the most amazing silences I have seen in a long time
probably only lasted 30 seconds - but it felt like 5 minutes of complete dead silence.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:04 PM
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52. The silence was golden....
incredible moment in history. I was listening to the testimony on radio. The silence after that comment was deafening..
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:17 PM
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54. My husband broke the silence at our house with ...........
WOW!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:03 PM
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51. Nothing but air...
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:22 PM
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57. Agree with you
And he has enormous confidence in his position. Having worked in gov't - when your boss tells you to spin them in a good light, you do it. I think it may have been at that point when Clarke began to consider leaving. He did as much as he could and then he left when it all became too much in the shadow of 9/11 and Bush's degenerate campaign rhetoric.

Clarke is a patriot and Georgie is not.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:23 PM
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58. agree n/t
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