Condi won't testify because 9/11 was her fault.

[MikeG]

[librechik]

1. earlier I said it wasn't a 5th amendment issue. I'm beginning to see

I was wrong. The "executive privilege" excuse is just a cover.

[Solomon]

20. Share with us your information on this "executive privilege" thing.

Is it a privilege or not and if it is, tell us why it wouldn't apply in this situation.

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. She's the fall guy and she knows it

I must say, though, that I have absolutley no sympathy for her.

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[enough]

4. Cronus, could you explain this?

I'm not arguing with you. This seems to be obvious to everyone here, but I don't get it. Why would she be the fall guy? Why is she any more responsible than anyone else?

Do you just mean that they have chosen her as scapegoat, or that there is some reason why they can pin it on her? And what exactly would they pin on her?

In the dark.

[alcuno]

5. She failed to have the president call a cabinet meeting

in February, at Clarke's behest. The letter he wrote was to her and the meeting was never held until September 4. During the spring and summer of 2001, she never had the president convene a cabinet level meeting IN SPITE of the high level of "chatter." Remember her job: NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. It's her responsibility to recommend actions for the president to take. What exactly was she recommending that he do? Invade Iraq?

[MikeG]

6. Exactly my point. It is as simple as her job description.

[Cronus Protagonist]

11. Yup, job description and loyalty to the Crown

She is there at the whim of King George and now she's about to be, metaphorically speaking, dragged behind a pickup and left by the roadside for the sake of the cause.

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[fob]

34. I agree with your analysis of blame, condi IS to blame.

Problem is bush* can't have the first one to take the fall in his good ole boy administration be the black woman. She was used by bush* for his "compassionate conservatism" softer side of KKK/racist campaign and now bush* is stuck. This is why the books by those that have left, they know someone has to take the fall and they want to be sure it ain't them. It will all come down when the remaining white men good ole boys fight amongst themselves for who gets thrown to the wolves!

[leftofthedial]

19. the urgent intelligence filtered up to her level

and she did nothing about it

[seabeyond]

39. i see she cant be scapegoat without taking bush

with her. they have all said they had the conversations and talks to bush about al queda without clarke. they did keep him informed. so she cant, nor can the others come back and say she kept information from bush. that ship has sailed

[eaprez]

3. She may be used as the fall guy

however rumor has been for months she's unhappy and wants to return to being the college professor and will not serve a second term should Bush be re-elected.

[grasswire]

7. unfortunately...

....she isn't going to be able to call her life her own ever again. She whored for them. They own her now. Fully.

[Disturbed]

8. No way out

Ms Rice prostituted herself to the Bush Crime Syndicate. She has disgraced herself and history won't be kind to her. A black woman that has reached that level in Govt. only to dishonor herself and America. I have zero sympathy.

[Eurobabe]

47. nope, she's too busy

cozying up to Bush. She's one of those who fears for her job, so she sucks up to the boss.

[revcarol]

9. It WAS her job and she failed.

WHY did she fail? Because she isn't strong enough to stand up against Bush, Rummy, Wolfowitz, et al, who were in a conspiracy to invade Iraq regardless of evidence or facts and for power and monetary gain.

Over her head.

[aQuArius]

10. If you don't know by now.........

She is a FREAKING criminal and knew LONG before any terrorist attacks happened and she did NOTHING about it. She is scared shitless because she knows she'll get hung out to dry if she DARES to testify!!!

[alcuno]

12. Part of is her, "No one could imagine terrorists hijacking airplanes

and flying them into buildings" comment. I could see an hour being spent on that statement alone.

[aQuArius]

14. Yeah, I know what you mean...

She will just try to beat around the F***ing bush (no pun intended) for years if we let her. But she knew WHO those terrorists could be and she did nothing but sit and pick her own A$$ and NEVER called the freaking meeting. She deserves to rot in prison for the rest of her life, but that's just my own freedom of speech talking.

[MikeG]

15. Like no one in the government ever read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor"

At the end of the book, a Japanese Pilot flys a jet into the Capitol Dome during a joint session on Congress killing the President, almost every memner of Congress and Senator and the Supreme Court. The book was written in 1994.

[Ilsa]

23. I knew Navy pilots talking this scenario in 1986.

They would sit around with a kegger (no flight duty for 48 or whatever hours) and discuss: "Could you shoot down a civilian airliner if you were ordered because it was hijacked?" The scenario included "It is headed to DC," or "WTC" etc.

Condi is a liar, and a bad one at that.

[Skip Intro]

25. Or heard of Kamikaze pilots

She'll never be able to bluff her way thru an appearance before the panel. She's not capable of keeping up the charade for that long, under that pressure. She'd crack. That's why she's refusing. But if enough hell is raised about it...

[oasis]

18. She will be asked to define "traditional hijackings". (eom)

[skeptic9]

26. "WE did not invent al Qaeda" was another whopper -- or expression of ...

... abysmal ignorance and incompetence from a National Security Adviser. Where did she think bin Laden got his training? The KGB?

[rocktivity]

37. Actually, bin Laden got his training from the CIA!!!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Michael Harrington]

35. Ben-Veniste

Had a ream of examples today about that. They could wear her out, simply over that one issue.

[SoDesuKa]

13. Question Her Patriotism

The Commission is trying to find out how the national security apparatus failed on September 11th. Surely the testimony of the National Security Adviser is important for them to do their job. On the surface, it appears that Condoleezza Rice is putting personal considerations over the national interest. That's unpatriotic.

[aQuArius]

16. AMEN!!

I don't say that often, LOL!

[fujiyama]

17. Bush was incompetant...

and no one (even most on the right) never really thought much of his intellect or knowledge about world affairs. His thinking is simplistic and it was sold at that (black and white/ good guys vs bad guys, etc). The nuances were left up to others, the "adults are back in charge" as the RWers said.

The "adults" fucked up. They fucked up big time.

It's her job to issue all intelligence to the president. THat's her job description. She gets info from the CIA and NSA and she gives the president the briefing. It seems very unlikely she even did a good job in briefing him and from what Clarke said, she never even held the "battlestation" that was supposed to be held.

I want this entire administration gone, but I can't think of anyone more I despise in this administration than her (OK I probably can but she's near the top). She's proven herself incompetant and uninformed -- For God's sake she hadn't even HEARD of Al Qaeda before entering office (and probably hadn't even given them any thought until 9/11).

[NewYorkerfromMass]

30. Of course she hadn't heard of Al Qaeda.

She was merely a 'Soviet Union Expert' but somehow that made her qualified to be NS chief.
I have to admit I reserve a special loathing just for her sorry ass.
The "couldn't imagine planes as weapons" comment really galls me.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. She was merely a 'Soviet Union Expert'

but somehow that made her qualified to be NS chief.

BTW I hate her guts too!

[Michael Harrington]

32. Being a "Soviet expert" in 2001

Was about as useful as being an expert on the Byzantine Empire.

Her appointment was rank plantation pandering, just like Clarence. They were grooming her for this for years. I can remember that ass Ben Stein slobbering over her at the '92 convention. She was their big hope and now...she's getting a choice of blindfold on or off.

I vote for "on". It would be an appropriate metaphor.

[Tennessee_tarheel]

21. how?

This was planned before she was in gov't? Unless you think she aided and abbteed in some way? I think we've gone WAY too overboard in blaming on any individual. This built up slowly over time (on Clinton's watch) and hit on 9/11 (on Bush's watch). Bush as well as Clinton administration are "to blame" in that they didn't take out the Al Queda, but no one would have supported such an operation UNTIL 9/11 changed the domestic political and foreign policy mindset. There was no one (politically speaking) at all calling for an attack on Al Queda before 9/11.

[maddezmom]

22. sure, but why won't Condi testify

what is she hiding? And why is the WH protecting her? She knows the secrets.

[Tennessee_tarheel]

28. what secrets?

gee you are real font of "super secret insider information".. what's the skinny?

[FreeSpeechCrusader]

42. What secrets?

I guess that would be the point of her testifying. Also, if we knew the secrets, they wouldn't be secrets. If she has nothing to hide, she should testify at least for the well-being of the families of the victims of 9/11 and for the peace and mind of all fellow Americans. There should be no reason for her not to testify, and the fact that she won't is pretty damn scary.

[sendero]

24. Like...

... Clinton could have done anything between defending himself against lying about a blow job and being accused of wagging the dog every time he broke wind.

Sorry, Clinton made the folks who perpetrated terror on his watch pay. 9-11 was Bush's failure, and trying to bring Clinton into it is pure nonsense.

[Tennessee_tarheel]

27. huh?

What did he do? Nothing of significance - neither did bush. politically nothing would have had support at home or abroad that would have had a real effect on Al Queda. No "one" to blame - this is a fool's errand.

[Don Claybrook]

40. Just answer the question or say you're not going to

WHY shouldn't she testify under oath?

[Bridget Burke]

38. A big "attack" on Al Qaeda was not needed at the time...

Adoption of airline security measures recommended (partly) by Albert Gore would have helped prevent 9/11.

Use of knowledge volunteered by foreign intelligence agencies & our own FBI fieldworkers could have helped. But the only ones protected were Ashcroft, deciding to avoid commercial flights beginning July 2001. And Bush & Cheney, deciding at the same time to take month-long vacations in August.

The current spin is--hey, we couldn't get permission to go bomb those people. Random bombing is not the best way to fight terrorism. Indeed, 9/11 gave the government a good excuse to start wars. First in Afghanistan, with a somewhat weak link to the attack. Then in Iraq, with exactly NO link. Which is why it was allowed to happen.

[noiretextatique]

44. i agree with: condi was the designated fall guy

from the start. her role was predetermined, and she played it as planned. i find it hilarious that some people expect some independent thought or action from her...she's window-dressing, a TOKEN. and her role in this entire melodrama is to take the fall...that was the plan from the start.

[corporatewhore]

29. AFLAC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gemini Cat]

33. LOL!

AFLAC!!!!!

[chicagojoe]

36. I don't doubt that Rice will fall for this.

That so-called administration occupying the White House right now will do ANYTHING to cover their asses, being as cowardly as they are.
Rice is in charge of the NSC, so it's her problem anyway. If she hasn't already been informed that she's toast, she's got to know it in her heart.
She deserves what she gets in the end, just for being in with bushco to begin with.
Fire 'em all in November !!!

[Beetwasher]

41. Actually, I Think It's Because She Told The BIGGEST LIES

and the most blatant lies that there's no spinning out of, and she'll be asked about them under oath, which would make them even more prosecutable.

All the really juicy, undisputable lies were all uttered by Rice.

"We had no idea planes could be used as weapons" "We had NO warnings"

If she has to testify, she will be obliterated.

[progressiverealist]

43. Condi will fall on her sword... a final loving act as Bush's "un-sticker."

I wonder if Bush calls her "mommy?"

[leftofthedial]

45. she won't testify because

the ENTIRE *Bush administration is to blame and she knows it

She is a grossly incompetent liar and would certainly spill the beans.

She can fool the fawning lapdog fake journalists who dominate the national media, but several of the commission members would rip her to shreds.

[Eurobabe]

46. somebody, on MSNBC yesterday I think said she won't

because she is "going to be on the ticket as VP."

Oh boy, I feel REAL safe now...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

48. Condi leads in LIES....she is scared shitless