What Disturbs Me About 9-11 Testimony

[RainDog]

my take on the 9-11 hearings/issues thus far.

It riles me to no end that anyone would now try to fault Clinton alone during his term of office over the issue of Al Qaeda. Do all the Republicans suddenly have collective memory loss? When Clinton decided to take any military action he was derided by them. The military itself, at the urging of some of their Republican commanders, barely hid their disgust for Clinton, who, it should be remembered, was their commander in chief and who, no matter what, was there to represent the executive branch of a govt. as outlined by our Constitution.

If Clinton had gone to Congress after the Cole bombing, does anyone really think that the Republicans would have agreed to declare war against Al Qaeda? What was it that Hatch said? Who accused Clinton of wagging the dog?

Not only that, but our nation, historically, has not wanted to go to war, something which our govt also knows.

I do not fault either Clinton or Bush for not going to war against Al Qaeda before the 9-11 attacks. Who here would have supported it?

However, I do fault Congress for wasting America's time on the stupid issue of a blow job. While they were panting over Monica's blue dress, couldn't they have been dealing with more substantive issues? (I also fault Clinton for not just telling everyone that whatever happened was no one's business but his and his wife.)

The Republicans, with full encouragement of such assholes as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, didn't give a damn about this country. All they cared about was their own partisan interests and whanking off to the sound of their own bullshit.

In contrast, when Bush was on watch when 9-11 happened, Democrats rallied to the issue of defeating bin Laden...even though Bush, apparently, didn't care about getting bin Laden and instead wanted to invade Iraq.

Luckily for America, it seems, Blair made sure Bush had to go into Afghanistan before he got his Iraqi invasion.

I supported an invasion of Afghanistan, and I still support that action. However, to find that Bush and the neocons didn't even care about going after bin Laden is really stunning.

Did they think that invading Iraq would make Al Qaeda a non-issue?

There is no logic to their thought. It is either the result of an inability to deal with facts on the ground, or else it makes me think of more disgusting possibilities.

But that's the leadership Bush brought to 9-11...it's like if your next door neighbor came over and shot your wife, so you go down the street and kill the guy on the corner cause he pissed you off a while back.

Invading Iraq was a distraction from dealing with terrorism, not a way to stop it. The reasons for invading Iraq, as Karen Kwiatkowski admits, had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks, even.

THIS is the issue that I cannot get past in the testimony before the 9-11 Commission.

[mmonk]

1. one thing you mention

"There is no logic to their thought." Unfortunately, there is a logic to their thought. Becoming the next Roman Empire (because they think no one is there to stand in our way). Conquering Iraq gives us new permanent bases supposedly to ensure US hegemony.

[RainDog]

3. Yes, I know they all cream over the idea of empire

...but IN THE DAYS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING 9-11...

they didn't care about going after the actual perpetrators???

And not only that, but what they did, by invading Iraq, was a war crime.

They knew there was no connection, which means they invaded a country which had not threatened the United States.

What makes me equally sick is that most Americans won't even care about this. They care so little about anyone in any other country, they won't even care that our govt. committed a war crime.

[boobooday]

2. Machiavelli is their hero

Lies mean nothing to them. They are just the way you do business. Lying is their logic, and their strategy.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Disturbed]

5. Republicans are Hypocrites and Liars

Uh..that's news?

Read a little history. Nixon, Raygun, Bush 1

btw Dems lie, also: Big Liar- Lyndon Johnson.. Gulf of Tonkin Resolution- Big Lie

[Catherine Vincent]

4. I agree with you.

But imo, no Clinton people should be involved in this 9/11 investigation in the first place. It falls on the Bush administration only. But we all know that the Bush admn. will not take full blame for this, they will drag the Clinton admn. in this come hell or high water. I think about all this and it makes me so fucking mad.

[RainDog]

6. No, I think it's important for the American public to remember

it's important for them to remember, as Cohen went into a little bit today, that the Republicans dogged Clinton as unpatriotic when he did anything.

It's important for the American public to remember who was bipartisan in the face of terrorist attacks.

And it's equally important to know when all the warnings about an impeding attack started coming in from Russia and Germany and France and Israel.

We know that the UN and the US had already pinned acts of terrrorism on Al Qaeda, and funding for terrorism with Saudi sheiks who have been welcomed into the country...and who have done biz with Bush and continued to do biz with the Bush family, as the planes were hitting the towers and even after that moment.

...and, again...IRAQ was the focus of their response???