9/11 Commission Hearings Thread 2

[indigo32]

thread 1 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1271150&mesg_id=1271150

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Powell mentioned a place called Jabooty.

Can someone tell me where that is located?:-)

[RedSock]

2. if predator wasn't ready to go until 2001

how can they blame clinton for not using it?

as a weapon device i mean.

did i hear right?

[Blue-Jay]

4. He was proud that we have a presence in Yer Booty.

/stupid

[RedSock]

5. booty

he's proud to have his nose firmly in *'s booty.

[AZCat]

6. Djibouti

It's in Africa

Here's the CIA page on it:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/dj.html

[Catherine Vincent]

21. Thanks.

[never cry wolf]

22. Djibouti

Here: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/dj.html

[playahata1]

104. It is spelled DJIBOUTI.

It is located in the so-called "Horn" of Africa, near Ethiopia and Somalia. We should be VERY familiar with that region.

[Penndems]

124. Actually, it's Djibouti

which is the capital of the Republic of Djibouti, located in North Africa (the "horn" of Africa).

[burythehatchet]

126. DJIBOUTI

East African nation, formerly a French colony known as Afars & Issas

[dennis4868]

3. Powell: Bush made al Qaeda a top priority

if three thousand people did not die on 911 I would have laughed at this statement by the fucking liar Powell!

[dennis4868]

7. what is the point....

of having Powell and Condi testify....all they do is talk and later it is proven that they lie....lie lie lie!

[truthspeaker]

9. to charge them with perjury

Powell's testimony was under oath.

[BlueStateGirl]

8. Lord, he is a piece of shyte.

[dennis4868]

10. I would not...

talk about shyte like that....

[underpants]

11. Powell's priorities as listed by W on the day he was appointed

Russia
NATO
China
Far East allies
Iraq

No mention of Afghanistan or alQaeda until a recent article by Condi.

HA BUSTED

[underpants]

13. To Powell (who didn't answer) "I know it is a difficult question"

HA!

[berner59]

16. This woman is great....

Nail Powells...saying that the policy against terrorism doesn't even mention islamic extremists...strange huh???

[NewJeffCT]

118. where are they listed?

And, can you provide a link?

Thanks

[Blue-Jay]

12. "Terrorism was a priority to this administration"

LIE! Fucking LIE!

It was such a priority that * sent money to the Taliban.

GAAAHHH!

Call him on it Jamie! Call him on it!

[JaySherman]

14. This whole thing is such B.S.

It's sad. Our democracy is truly on life-support.

[readmylips]

15. Female Jamie Gorelick....hard on Powell..

goody. She asked Powell if his agenda was different from bush's. When bush announced his agenda, there was no mention at all on terrorism. Neither did Condi.

He's now correcting Jamie's english.

[AZCat]

27. She's laying the smacketh down on Powell for the Cole response...

We issued a demarch (sp?) before the Cole attack, but after we knew it was Al Quaida, we didn't do jack.

Powell prevaricating...

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Since Condi Rice won't be questioned, they better not question

Sandy Berger. Does anyone know if he is on the list?

[dennis4868]

23. yep....

he is on the list!

[Catherine Vincent]

37. Really! This is not right.

Why should the National Security Advisor pre-9/11 be forced to testify and not the National Security Advisor ON 9/11 be forced to testify?

This is bushit!

[BlueStateGirl]

32. Honestly, how dare she refuse??? She has no problem

shilling on the talk shows, but she won't appear in front of the commission? Cow.

[0007]

114. Sandy Berger is on tomorrow

[DemonFighterLives]

18. No one on the Panel

Seems concerned about the issue at hand. I thought this was supposed to be the 9/11 commission. They are so roundabout that at this rate it will take 40 years to get to the truth. The only thing that may help is if they bring on a witness interested in the truth and will spill the beans in their summary. Pray it's Richard Clarke.

[teach1st]

25. Just like Watergate...

...many on the panel, some of whom are politicians first and foremost, won't get tough until there is conflicting information out there for the public to see. Once it's certain that someone is lying, they can get tougher.

[Nashyra]

26. Powell just lied

Didn't Albright say that the Taliban was going to held responsible? The * administration let the Taliban off the hook. Albright said that they were going to be responsible if Al Queda attacked again and after the Cole * did nothing when it was definitive that Ql Queda was responsible.

[teach1st]

31. I hope the media digs...

...and busts Powell on this stuff.

[indie_voter]

38. To dream the impossible dream...

Seriously,our only hope is the Daily Show.

[dennis4868]

19. has anyone aksed him about the $40 million....

Bush gave the Taliban before 911?

[suegeo]

120. Nope

I didn't hear any mention of the money, but I was only listening to Colin on-and-off via the Internet.

Nor did I hear anybody ask him about the State Dept meeting held with the Taliban in the summer of 2001, the one where Christina Rocco (SP?) of the State Dept said that the Taliban better accept the pipeline dead, or face a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs.

Powell was her boss when this alleged meeting took place. So he should know all about whether the meeting went down or not, and whether it was a threat about the UNOCAL pipeline.

To me it seemed like Powell was allowed to go on and on about how great the Bush junta's response was AFTER the 9.11.01 attacks. He sounded like a campaign commercial--our plan after the attacks is just great, and since we finally have a great plan, you had better keep us in office, because our post 9.11 plan is so great.

Also, when Armitage spoke, I couldn't help but wonder why the guy isn't in JAIL for his Iran-Contra crime spree. He effing lied under oath to congress back then. And NOW he is a credible witness?!? They really do think we are THAT STUPID. Whoever said it earlier was right: our democracy is on life support.

[burythehatchet]

127. not only that

but Armitage is U-G-L-Y SOB

[DustMolecule]

20. Nice move.....

Gorelick pointing out that terrorism is a TOOL - not an actual enemy in-an-of-itself. It is a TOOL used by people.

[leftchick]

24. BIGGEST Powell Lie ...... (so far)

In response to how much time they spent on anti-terroism prior to 9/11.... "It was embedded in everything we did!"

omg....

[MetaTrope]

28. You sure he wasn't referring to financing terrorism?

:crazy:

[Nashyra]

35. Here comes the whitewash

Kean is supposed to be non-partisan. Didn't Clarke resign? Powell just made it sound like he was "let go". This administration did not have any continuity from the Clinton administration. These assholes were negotiating with the Taliban pure and simple and the only way it will come to light is if they get the secret energy papers.

[BlueStateGirl]

29. She shoots She scores!!!!!!!!

If the " It wasn't clear how we could get them" excuse is good enough for POS Powell, it ought to hold water for the Clinton Admin as well.

Those MFers nearly sank one of our ships and you pricks did nothing. WHY??? Because you couldn't figure out how to get them.

He just said it. Isn't that what these scumbags just tried to use to rip Albright and Clinton a new one???

[readmylips]

30. Yike! Jamie is pointing out Powell's contradictions....

She's good. Rice and Powell have been saying publicly that Clinton's war on terror was bankrupt, yet Powell just said that the bushcos continued the Clinton policies on terror. Jamie was really sticking it to Condi.

[BlueStateGirl]

36. I thought she blasted him with the USS Cole question.

Did you see him stammering over that?

He finally spit out " We didn't know how to go about getting them."

[chelsea0011]

40. Powell looked deeply disturbed trying to find an answer

[Malva Zebrina]

42. I thought she was good too--I never heard of her before

but she is very sharp--I like the way she forms the question--devastating, and then smiles so sweetly when she says "would you care to commment on that?"

[Kahuna]

33. Armitage looks like the villian in "Goldfinger." Why do..

all of *'s henchmen look like villians?

[chelsea0011]

34. Armitage doing his George C Scott as Patten act

[readmylips]

55. Hermitage looks pissed or just hurts from ...

hemorrhoids. He's squirming and about to burst.

Yeah...Bush was on vacation.

[Cush]

39. Ben-Veniste points out that Condi won't testify. Why?

hahaha. The Bush excuse doesn't fly (there is precedent)

[Richardo]

43. Former Watergate prosecutor - he knows sleaze

:thumbsup:

[AZCat]

46. Nice- establishing precedence for advisors giving testimony

Let's see Rice spin this...

[underpants]

47. LISTING National Sec. Advisors who have testified

Asking Armitrage why Condi can't testify and advise the administration of this (gives him a list).

[underpants]

50. APPLAUSE (from 9/11 widows?)

HA! That had damned well be on the nightly news.

[BlueStateGirl]

48. Madeline Albright must regret the influence her father had

on Condi Rice.

She was going to be a concert pianist :(

[Vadem]

41. Ben-Veniste should be good with the pointed questions..

Questioning why Condi won't testify in public; showing a report from 4/02 of former advisers to the Pres. who have testifed, stating her reasons don't hold up.

[chelsea0011]

44. Patten is not amused

[Catherine Vincent]

56. LOL!

[Cush]

45. We want Rice to appear (and he gets applause)

[underpants]

51. 9/11 Widows? That was AWESOME

That had better be on each nightly news tonight.

[Blue-Jay]

52. Hell, I applauded too!

He's also mentioning Wolfie being unable to justify attacking Iraq as a "response" to 9/11.

Spin it, Colin, spin it.

[maddezmom]

49. Ben-Vensite not buying condi's excuse

and gets a round of applause from the audience calling her out on the bullshit reason for not appearing.

[chelsea0011]

53. What's with the address in D.C for the Comm. on Terroists Acts

If you write them, will they send something?

[AZCat]

54. Oh boy- Iraq came up on Sept 15- from Powell!

Powell is spinning like mad...

[Cush]

57. answer the question Powell

[underpants]

59. Pushed on Wolfowitz wanting to attack Iraq BEFORE 9/11

No I want YOUR impression -Well I don't think-I want YOUR impression

[maddezmom]

61. according to Powell~Wolfie wanted to hit Iraq

but bushco decided the American people wouldn't understand not going after the people responsible for 9/11...DUH! So they had to delay their original plan a year or so.

[Widgetsfriend]

112. To me, this was the most devastating thing Powell said.

As opposed to what he DIDN'T say. He didn't say they didn't go after Iraq because there was no proof Saddam was involved. He said, they didn't go after Iraq because the American people would not have understood an attack on Iraq in relation to September 11. It's subtle, but obvious that the way he won that argument with Wolfowitz was by making him see that people wouldn't agree with Iraq in this instance. So obviously it was put on the back burner and it was RELUCTANTLY agreed that Afghanistan would be the target.

But no questions were asked about when Iraq became a topic for the Bush administration. Of course, I think without a doubt that the commission members are aware of everything we know. How could they not be? And if that's the case, then they're doing a masterful job of covering up. I can't reach any other conclusion.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

58. Asking Powell if in his view Iraq had anything to do with Al quaida

SPINNNNNNNNNN WEEEEEEEEEEEE


TWL

[AZCat]

62. "With all due respect..."

Wow- Powell getting nasty when pressed for his view of Iraq as a threat immediately post 9/11. He passes the buck to Wolfowitz- blames him for the focus.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

72. Good. Powell bringing them all down. Passing the buck a no-no

shows incompetence and poor team effort. All goes back to Bush. Doesn't know how to manage people, can't run a government, let alone fight terrorism.
This is great.
Powell also clearly lying about terrorism being a priority when the facts contradict that statement.
He is bringing them down with all his statements.
This is great.

[maddezmom]

76. saying bring down AQ was the number one plan

that's a big fat lie....he just admitted they wanted to go into Iraq.

[chelsea0011]

60. WOW! "The American people would not understand"

Powell all but admits that they wanted to go immediately to Irag but they thought they needed to go to Afganistan first to "appease" American thinking.

[BlueStateGirl]

65. I was just about to post on that. Very telling.

[maddezmom]

66. I think that is a huge admission

wonder what will come of that little slip.

[Malva Zebrina]

79. He knew he slipped also--it showed in his eyes

[Fleshdancer]

63. Does Bob Kerrey have a point?

Or does he just want to hear himself speak?

[dennis4868]

69. Bob Kerry....

yells at Albright and is kissing Powell's ass. Does Kerry ask Powell why Bush did not strike back after they knew definitively that al Qaeda bombed the USS Cole? Of course now...it's lovefest time people!

[DustMolecule]

71. I have not heard such bumbling when

speaking in a loooong time.....ehm, ehm, ehm, I just I just ehm, that that that, ehm, ehm, emh...can you you you tell me me me, what you you you think.

Sounds like some kid giving his first speech in front of the classroom. Sheeesch....what's he doing on this panel?

[chelsea0011]

73. He's gone completely soft after admitting Vietnamese slaughter

He treads lightly. I'm not sure why after those admissions he didn't simply fade away.

[DemonFighterLives]

64. Kerry the Dem

All he does is blah, blah too. He looks like he's on his death bed.
Please ask some tough questions!

[BlueStateGirl]

67. Why is he soft balling Powell? WTF is with this guy?

[Fleshdancer]

70. hell, asking any question would be great at this point!

It's like he's competing with Sally Field's oscar speech..."they like me, they really like me!"

It's embarrassing watching his nose lodged that far up Powell's ass.

[readmylips]

68. What's with that stupid bob Kerrey making excuses...

what a bastard. He keeps making personal statements...who cares..you little egomaniac. The boob is wasting time and not asking questions. He opened his line of questioning with no questions but with a joke, laughter. Just when the previous guy had Powell and Talmage on the ropes. God I can slap that stupid boob.

[revcarol]

74. Kerrey now attacking Clinton's not tasking drastic military action

like troops on the ground, and asking Powell if he agrees. UGH. :puke:
Takes the majority of his time for the "question."

Bi-partisan commission? We know why HE was selected. To attack Clinton.

[dennis4868]

75. Powell....

keeps making statements like "we dicided to do this" or "we did this" but where is the evidence that they did anything?

[revcarol]

83. "Listen to what we say,

not what we do." OR DON'T DO, LIKE BE ACTIVE AGAINST TERRORISM.

[chelsea0011]

77. Leaving shortly because babbling from the house is priority

[leftchick]

88. I will check c span 3

see if they cahanged over

[Fleshdancer]

78. They're whipping out the Clarke book now!

Although it's being used to praise Powell. Still, reading pages out of that book at the 9/11 hearing is ballsy.

[AZCat]

82. Sounds like they read the book all the way through...

Really throwing it in Powell's face- nine months is too long! (nice)
Powell again trying to spin- on the radio I can't see his face, but he sounds nervous- lots of uhhs.

Ahhh- Clarke will be on tomorrow- that will be good.

Powell- "The options were no options..."
Shades of "that depends on what the definition of 'is' is..."

[leftchick]

84. using the book as a reference!!!

:) PRICELESS!!!

[ThirdWheelLegend]

80. They are pointing everything back to the Cole bombing..

WTF?

TWL

[Catherine Vincent]

81. Powell is still trying to blame the Clinton administration

regarding the 19 hijackers. Oh boy. This is really pathetic.

[revcarol]

91. Anyone with C-Span 3 or Pacifica Radio?

I want to know if they EVER ask Powell or Armitage a pointed question.

Wasn't that money to the Taliban "foreign aid?"that's Powell's bailiwick.

[Vadem]

98. Just adjourned until 1:30; will be on C-Span3 then,...

of if House adjourns it will be on C-Span1. I don't know if CNN will continue to cover it this afternoon.

[maddezmom]

102. thanks for the heads up

[Blue-Jay]

85. Lunch Break!

looking forward to 9/11 Commission Thread #3.

Time for a sammich.

[Vadem]

86. CNN is covering the hearing live! switch over....n/t

[readmylips]

87. Chit...CSpan turned off the 911 Commission...

Look who's on CSpan right now...that criminal bastard tom delay. It is so staged.

[BlueStateGirl]

89. My head is spinning. Powell continually says

" Al qeada is not that kind of target. You can't just go after them militarily. Di
Madeline Albright said all that, yet she was still getting attacked for not taking stronger military action.

Why is that excuse okay for Bush & Co... but not for Clinton and

Albright?

[madmax]

90. Will CSPAN replay this at a later date

in it's entirety? Anyone have a pic of Madeline Albright, I missed her testimony.

[Nashyra]

92. This is despicable

the asshole repukes are hand feeding the answers they want to hear before they even ask the questions.

[Spazito]

93. Powell is spinning so fast...

I keep waiting to see his head spin like the character in "The Exorcist"!

[readmylips]

94. Talmage putting in a good word for the Saudis....

reminding the panel that the Saudis have arrested many people.

[AZCat]

95. KPFA still covering...

Here's the web site:
http://www.kpfa.org

Powell and Armitrage still on...

[teach1st]

96. The questioning has me confused...

I thought this was to determine what happened to allow 9/11. The questioning taking place is about post 9/11.

[aprilgirl]

99. Would be better to have 9/11 families ask the questions.

This is just absurd. Just a CYA for Bush and company.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

97. All that and only one person asked Powell tough questions

That lawyer guy, who dealt with Watergate.

TWL

[leftchick]

100. He looked like a freakin Don!

and was sooo smooth! Notice how they wouldn't let him question Powell too long?

[Nashyra]

101. Bob Kerrey

is an egotistical asshole.

[Nashyra]

103. Why doesn't someone from the Clinton

just come out and say that there was a hostile congress and senate and start bringing forth all the shit that the repukes objected to.

[Catherine Vincent]

107. Ms Albright did mention that somewhat in her testimony.

Clarke will probably mention that a lot tomorrow.

[kentuck]

105. I am not ready to write off Bob Kerrey just yet....

He's a Democrat but he's also an independent cuss. I don't think the Repubs should get too comfortable with the former Senator....

[Nashyra]

108. Wolfie is an asshole

There was a HOSTILE congress and senate. They did not allow the president to do anything.

[Richardo]

113. Richard Benveniste

...he will be good. Him vs. Rumsfeld should be a smackdown. :evilgrin:

[indie_voter]

106. Clinton should testify in public and rip these guys a new one(n/t)

[Catherine Vincent]

109. I really wish Clinton's testimony and Bush's be televised

so that the American people can see yet again the difference between the two.

[IkeWarnedUs]

110. Tell C-Span how you feel about cutting away from the hearings.

Call C-Span and tell them how pissed you are that they did this.

I called the main number and told the switchboard operator that I wanted to know why they cut away. She said she would transfer me to the comment line. I told her I wanted to talk to a human there, not just leave a recorded message. She said all she could do is transfer me and that her switchboard is "going wild" over the switch to the House. I told her I understood it wasn't her decision, but I hoped she would tell who ever did decide about the response. She gave a nervous chuckle and said, oh, they know all right.

Then I called the Viewer Services line. After a delay because of high call volume a guy came on and said that their charter demanded they cover the House and Senate when they were in session. I told him there is NOTHING the House could do today that is more important than the 9/11 Commissioin hearings. He said they will most likely re-play the hearings late at night.

Now I'm calling my Rep (Danny Davis) and as many other house members I can think of to ask that they propose the House close their session today and tomorrow to allow for C-Span to cover this. (toll free to Congress 1-800-648-3516)

One more thing. Does anyone have access to C-Span 3? I can't find it in any cable package.

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[Catherine Vincent]

115. Apparently the topic wasn't important enough for them to stay on.

Had it been about sex and extramarital affairs, then maybe, they would have continued coverage.

[SteveG]

125. C-Span1 must cover all House Sessions

As C-Span II must cover all Senate Sessions. It's part of the deal which allows Cameras into the two bodies. C-Span III was set up to cover the stuff the others couldn't when the two houses are in session. C-Span III is covering the hearings now.

[mmonk]

111. It's all garbage

First, the pentagon wasn't interested in terrorism, just geopolitics, so they would not have written up any adequate response to requests by a civilian government concerning terrorism pre-9/11. Terrorists attacked us because our footprint is all over the middle east. So we respond by extending our footprint more as a response. Anyone besides me see a circle?

[robbedvoter]

116. Listening on Pacifica - hearings back on

Presentation
http://911independentcommission.org/
given by them. Check it up - questions to be asked

[DeepModem Mom]

117. Didn't Max Cleland say he quit the commission because...

he could see that nothing of value was going to come out of it? Watching this first session, I'm afraid he may have been right --

[robbedvoter]

122. He made a mistake. With Bob Kerrey batting for the GOP, he left us

hanging. Shame on Cleland. Truth deserved more of an effort.

[SoCalDem]

130. It's still on c-span 3 online...I'm watching now

:)

[0007]

119. William Cohen up now

[robbedvoter]

121. This is the guy who got Clark replaced at NATO. He was atrocious

siding with the contras when he was a GOP congresman before that. jamie Gorelick promised to question him on his opposition to attacking Afghanistan (the one Kerrey regrets so much). So get ready for that! In short, Cohen is a major a*hole - I expect him to malign Clinton.

[moondust]

123. Cohen: (Repug) Congress did not support many admin efforts.

n/t

[worldgonekrazy]

128. i HATE bob kerrey!

I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL! FUCKING SHILL!

[worldgonekrazy]

129. Tenet just implicated!

"Either the people below Tenet did not know what was going on at his level or HE WAS TELLING YOU (Cohen) ONE THING AND TELLING THE PEOPLE BELLOW HIM SOMETHING ELSE."

Cohen didn't necessarily run with the question, though he did say that the reason the Clinton administration didn't attack Al Qaeda was BECAUSE TENET TOLD THEM THE INTEL WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. Could Tenet have been in on the whole thing all the way back to the Clinton admin?

[SoCalDem]

131. Arrrrggh... Skeletor (Slade Gordon)..what an ASS

I bet the families are ready to JUMP out of their skins.. They want answers....not finger-pointing posturing..

[0007]

132. What a selection, 'eh?

I think many families have already leaped out of their skins, 'eh?

It'll be interesting how Roemer is gonna interrogate Cohen

[0007]

133. I thought Cohen came across real well

He's through now and was applauded.

What a difference between him and Powell.

[0007]

134. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and General Meyers have all been sworn in

Man, this is gonna be boring.....