I'm a Kerry Supporter Who Wants Howard Dean in the White House

[Starpass]

I think I speak for a hell of a lot of Democrats (of the variety who actually pay attention to the news, can recognize who a candidate is, and can find Iraq on the map----as opposed to those who 'vote' for a party just "'cause" that's what they have been conditioned to do.)

I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with Kerry for two reasons. First, I never hear anything from him---but I do realize that our corrupt media is the one picking and choosing who's remarks will get on the air rather than it necessarily be that a candidate is saying "nothing". Second, I feel that Kerry is doing a lot of sitting in billion dollar office buildings putting together his money and promises to those billionaires for the upcoming race. He doesn't seem to be too "into" meeting with and trying to get the support of average Americans (i.e, taking the shortcut to the WH like Bush: buy it). That to me adds up to a Kerry presidency that is keeping the status quo, putting a little sugar on it and feeding it to us a la Bill Clinton. How long before, for example, he would propose putting all of medicare into the hands of private companies because it was "good for us" and time to move on.............trust is waning steadily on my part.

Then there's Howard. Of course the media is setting him up for the big kill. They are picking Bush's dream opponent to polarize the people. Even if Howard managed to win, things are not that simple. Unless we also packed the House and the Senate, we will have four years of these animals attacking absolutely every word out of Deans mouth AND, I will go so far as to predict that Howard will be impeached. On what, you say??---hey, these are the bastards who went after Clinton and are after Gray Davis. Trust them, they will manufacture something. They have to. They will go after any Dem president but because Howard will be painted with a "liberal" brush, it makes this their holy grail. The country will be in one fucking bloodbath, smear-a-thon for four years. Howard needs to take a whole bunch of Dems to DC with him to have any success.

I have no idea where this leaves so many of us. The country cannot survive 4 more years of Bush----wait until those who are going to lose their overtime find out the next sacrifice will be to work for half pay, etc. Four years of him not having to worry about re-election---oh my god. We need, though, more than a replacement. We need someone to start actually getting ground back that has been ripped away from our people and these stiffs who are shills for corporations will not do that. In a word, how the hell do we get a "moderate" looking Dem into the WH, who will do a liberal "Bush" once he is here------you know, hang a hard LEFT right after taking the oath.?? The right pulled this off by the Christian right and the corporate big boys holding their breath and letting Bush bullshit the nation. And then once he was in, he delivered to them. Point blank that's what we need desperately.

[CWebster]

1. It leaves us giving it our best shot

rather than imagining how threatening the other side is. What is the option? Go along for the ride for safety? It's been tried and it doesn't work.

I don't think the Right is setting Dean up--he is undeniably in their face. That is what all the fuss is about.

[KoKo]

8. Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

9. Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

10. Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

11. Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[KoKo]

12. Good observation Starrpass and CWebster I agree with you..............

Kerry is looking very status quo.....and Dean will be attacked for four years if he gets in.

But, I have to vote for "Principle" over status quo. Even if we have to suffer again through attacks with a Dean Presidency we are suffering now, anyway........and at least there's an opportunity for us to be heard and a chance to roll back the Bush machine.

The stolen election and invasion of Iraq.......both need to to be recognized. If a candidate can't do that and stand strong then what is the point. It will be Bush lite because his radical changes will take awhile to undo and it will be so easy for a new president just to go along with what Bush has done, unless he/she is totally committed that Bush's policies have been a disaster accross the spectrum. If Kerry can't find his way to express that.....then I think I have to go with Dean or someone else. (Dean has gotten my $$'s because he spoke up....but I'm not decided yet until we get closer to primaries)

And, Starpass is correct. Without huge changes in the Senate and more Dem presence in the House we are cooked no matter who gets in.

[JNelson6563]

2. I don't think the whore media

has a lot of choice here. Dean is everywhere, making huge splashes. His internet thing is huge. He's out meeting and talking to folks, putting out statements on every issue as it arises. Then you have an army of folks on the internet supporting him. Turning the tables on the reich-wingers. They started out a small vocal minority and have grown and continue to grow and become more and more vocal. I am a Dean supporter and I have been pretty much since Gore dropped out. The more I watch this play out the more I know he's the guy.

Here's an interesting thing to consider, I keep getting a really strong feeling he is the guy. The last time I had such a feeling was in spring of '84 when I felt a gush of excitement as I suddenly KNEW beyond any doubt the Tigers were going to win the pennant. And yes, I made a few $$$ on friendly wagers that summer. ;-) Might be time to make some more friendly wagers.....

Julie

[charlie]

4. His audaciousness in jumping into Bush's backyard

right now is a sure tonic for me. It was a gamble just to announce a fundraising for the effort -- he wouldn't have looked too good if he didn't get enough money -- but his supporters came through BIG.

I've said it before, I've always believed that a huge swath of Democrats would happily give some latitude with their differences on issues if someone, anyone was willing to get out there and just say, "Fuck you, I'm a DEMOCRAT." Dean looks to be the one to realize this and it's paying off in spades for him.

[poskonig]

3. Kerry is afraid of Dukakis

The Kerry people need to figure out a way to run left with a plan to run to the middle if they get the nomination. Kerry could emphasize his record and blow away Dean easily, since Kerry's record is *much* better than Dean's.

The problem is, Kerry is ashamed of his record and won't go out and say, "I am way more liberal than Dean is" because Kerry doesn't want to get Dukakised in the general election. Right now they are not moving at all, and in this game of politics, if you're not taking a step forward, you're taking a step backwards.

[Octafish]

5. TV goes where there's smoke.

While corporate media will do all they can to ignore Kerry, the guy has a track record of DOING what's right going back 38 years, 19 in the Senate. The guy's got more than a history, he's been a True LIBERAL! Kerry has done what's right for the people — not the crooks or the corporations.

But, because where there's smoke, there's Howard. So what? All the guy is is TALK! Blasted Bush this. Blasted Kerr-, er, Democr-, er, Congress that! Blah blah blah. What's he going to DO about it? What's he EVER done about it? Can't tell. He's sealed his gubernatorial papers for 10 years (he wanted 20).

So, in determining who is the better candidate, we must consider who HAS best served our country and who CAN best serve our country. That candidate is John Kerry.

Kerry has VISION. He understand the important role played by the US Government in the lives of the nation's citizens. He learned that from his political idol, John F. Kennedy. JFK said to the nation: "Let's go to the moon...not because it is easy, but because it is hard." The result was more than advances technology or the development of new industrial products — that kind of vision makes impossible dreams into reality.

And Kerry has the know-how to build a better tomorrow. In addition to protecting the nation from enemies foreign and domestic, he has worked to protect the environment harder than most anyone in the US Government. His proposal for national health insurance was recently rated the top proposal of all the candidates' by independent experts. Kerry is a friend of small businesses and workers of the country, not the corporate giants. His proposals include college tuition for people who serve the country in uniform or civilian life, he's proposed a Manhattan project to develop alternatives to fossil fuels. Politically, he has supported campaign finance reform; personally, he accepts no corporate PAC money.

There's more. Know this, Starpass, my DU Friend: Kerry is the Democrat who can do the Big Things American Needs.

To see what's going on with Kerry's campaign, check out:

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/PageServer

[XanaDUer]

6. Well said, Octafish

Kerry's long record shows him to be a true liberal.

[XanaDUer]

7. Well said, Octafish

Kerry's long record shows him to be a true liberal.

[Starpass]

13. Just ONE thing then that I ask of Kerry

(and then I have to sign off and check back here later because this thing is running slower than whaleshit this a.m.). I want Kerry to start making "in your face, Bush" noises because right now he is not the frontrunner in these various primary states. Politically correct or whatever the problem seems to be with his camp is going to get him a great big yawn and get him, as you put it,Dukakised!! He has to first appeal to the liberal part of this party who will be voting in the primaries before he can go to the big dance. And, if I sense he is too scared to do that, then I'm getting leary of him in the WH. Will he be too afraid with a packed repuke House and Senate (and it will be) to be any more liberal than Jerry Falwell, for example!!?? Yes, I do agree that his military service, etc. makes him the one who can best unseat Bush. But dammit man, he first has to be able to get there and if he doesn't start doing 'stuff' that gets the media coverage a la Howard, he's going to fade into the sunset. A stick of dynamite up the ass of a lot of these guys would be greatly appreciated..............

[tpub]

14. please remember Kerry has not really been campaigning

the plan has always been to seriously campaign starting in the fall with his campaign announcement speech. I hope then we'll see a more forceful, in-your-face Kerry.

I hope we get your support, Starpass.