Cheney--5 deferments draft dodger deluxe hit on him

[swinney]

Not only a Chickenhawk he bragged about "greater priorities" than serving in the military.

Hit him each chance you get.

[Bozita]

1. Nobody's draft dodging outdid Tom Bugspray Delay (R-TX)

He tried to enlist but minorities filled all of the slots.

No room at the inn.

[Auntie Bush]

5. Was that a joke or is Delay

really a minority? :shrug: My husband was surprised to find that Richardson was Hispanic...so I question if Delay is also.
Sorry to be so naive! He is definately a minority when it comes to being creepy and evil.

[Bozita]

9. Not a joke. That's his story and he's sticking with it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. He's no minority, that's for sure.

[whistle]

18. Tom Delay said and did that?

...What a twit! :puke:

How many other repukes are there in government pushing buttons and making commitments that get young American military women and men killed on foreign soil while these people and their families sit out these conflicts safe at home? These are the true enemies of America. Yet, there they are in positions of power and authority calling the shots which are hurled at the powerless. Why humor them with labels like chicken-hawks. These people are cowards, snakes, hypocrites and the lowest slim that oozes out of Washington DC :puke::hurts:

[jackaroo]

2. Draft dodging

I'm curious, why did this subject not matter when the election of Bill Clinton was iminent?

[Philosophy]

3. Because Clinton didn't claim he was a "war president"?

Because every other word out of his mouth wasn't "war"?

Just a couple of obvious ones.

[AlCzervik]

22. Photoshop

I contribute to a few of our fellow websites, after to listening to pigboy jubkie limbaugh on e day regarding Bush being a "War" president i made this for allhetnocattle. the 1st picture is our "War" president at yale while Kerry was in Nam.

[Toucano]

4. One good reason

Bill Clinton was not a chicken hawk.

One might describe the issue like this: "It's the hypocrisy, stupid!"

The repubes tried to make it an issue when their own closet is full of skeletons.

[Auntie Bush]

7. It did matter...

Rethugs tried to kill his nomination...I remember all the vile bile.
:puke:

[Malva Zebrina]

10. Clinton

That Clinton thing is old already--still trying to use Clinton to justify Bush's cowardly behavior

[Toucano]

14. So true.

I especially love the "same intelligence as my predecessor" bit.

It's so wonderfully complete in its inadequacy.

First, in the course of 26 months, shouldn't you have had some new intelligence?

Second, if it was such a threat, why did it take you 26 months to act on the intelligence? A little slow on the draw, aren't you Georgie?

As John Stewart said, "Do they think we're retarded?":)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Because most people felt Clinton had excellent political skills...

...and that he would be a very good president.

Because Clinton eventually chose not to join the National Guard to avoid the Vietnam draft, and most people felt he was at least being honest to himself and his beliefs about Vietnam.

And Clinton's VP, Al Gore actually served in Vietnam as a correspondent and was close enough to hear gunfire.

In contrast, we have...

...the NeoCon rightwingers of the GOP committing Americans to two Middle Eastern wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) based on a pack of lies, and despite having never served themselves.

...the most powerful NeoCon of them all joining the Texas Air National Guard and going AWOL when asked to undergo a flight physical. Americans were still dying in Vietnam.

...the second most powerful NeoCon taking five different deferments to avoid the Vietnam draft.

...Colin Powell who attempted to cover-up the events of My Lai while an officer on a certain division staff in Vietnam, and helped cover-up the fact that Desert Storm Syndrome really did exist, and his shameful presentation to the UN in regards to WMDs in Iraq.

...the rest of the NeoCon chickenhawks, people I won't discuss in terms of what they did to avoid the Vietnam draft.

Any more questions?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

13. Why are you guys STILL obsessed with Clinton?

Get over it already-he hasn't been in office for THREE years. At least he REGISTERED for the draft and drew a high number. Cheney was above it all-what he had to do was far more important than serving his country.

[peacetalksforall]

17. And Clinton didn't have a rich insider father to get him a high number.

[ljm2002]

20. Let's see...

...(1) Clinton did get a deferment so he could study at Oxford under a Rhodes scholarship; (2) Clinton was against the Vietnam war and said so -- so he wasn't cheering on others' participation while declining for himself; (3) although he did try to get a further deferment, his family wasn't connected enough to make that happen, so he in fact got a draft number. He lucked out and got a high number and was never actually drafted. If what he did counts as draft dodging, then what Bush, Cheney, DeLay, and many others in the current cabal did counts in spades.

By the way: Rhodes scholarships aren't given lightly, one has to earn it. Shall we re-examine the academic records of Bush and Cheney for comparison? But more to the point, for the current election cycle, Silver Stars aren't given lightly. Kerry has one. Max Cleland has one. Wesley Clark has one. How 'bout Bush? NO -- no combat, even went AWOL from the National Guard. Cheney? NO -- no combat, several deferments, had "other priorities" during the Vietnam conflict. Rumsfeld? NO -- no combat, either. Wolfowitz, Perle? NO -- no military service. Tom DeLay? NO -- no military service, couldn't get in, "minorities took up all available slots" (and no comment AFAIK on why he wasn't drafted...).

[BigBigBear]

6. Bill Clinton got a draft number

Cheney never did.

[bearfartinthewoods]

8. what were the specific reasons? anyone know how he pulled it off?

[Auntie Bush]

15. A few reasons I remember are:

1. He had to be in College...so he went...but he flunked out.
2. He had to be married ...so he married that B*.
3. He still had to be in college...so he went back to school.
4. He was all out of deferments unless he had kids. So he got Lynn pregnant 2 months after that law was past. You got the picture!

[peacetalksforall]

16. #4 is for real?

Super-patriot?

The real Resident did all of that and then had a baby to get out of fighting?

How many ways are there to be a Republican hypocrite?

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. if everyone who went to school, got married and had kids

during that period was a republican, we would be s tiny minority party. i know guys who went to dental school and then radiation school and learned to give barium enemas to get out of nam. part of the reason for my generations high divorce rate was because so many guys decided to bite the marital bullet than buy a bullet.

sheeeesh....i thought he did something different.

[Dr Fate]

19. Unlike Kerry, Cheney is a coward & a hypocrite.

Who cares what his excuse is- he supports war as a 1st resort, yet refused to serve.

This info about Cheney should concern you, since you support Bush's war-as-1st resort Iraq policy (unless you changed your mind from yesterday)...

You may like to bash Kerry (unless you have changed), but at least he did not let someone else go to war in his place.

[Old and In the Way]

21. True, Cheney is a coward and hypocrite, but he is a world-class

war-profiteer. In 1998, he had no problems doing a run-around of the US embargo and traded with Iraq to the tune of $24MM in profits. Seems Dick is consistant when it comes to makng a buck for Halliburton.

[jeanmarc]

24. Tom Delay's famous quote on minorities and Vietnam

http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/1999-01-07/columns2.html/1/index.html

"In 1988, a little-known Texas congressman gathered a crowd of reporters in the lobby of a downtown New Orleans hotel housing several state delegates to the Republican National Convention. Clutching a pole topped by a drooping American flag, 22nd District two-termer Tom DeLay launched into a rather implausible defense of Dan Quayle, an Indiana senator freshly picked by George Bush as his presidential ticket partner.
Bill Clinton's draft-dodging efforts would become an issue in his successful campaign against Bush four years later, but now Quayle's own past manipulation of family ties to get into a national guard unit was touching off a classic feeding frenzy among the convention press corps.

DeLay seemed to feel the issue applied personally to him, and perhaps it did. He had graduated from the University of Houston at the height of the Vietnam conflict in 1970, but chose to enlist in the war on cockroaches, fleas and termites as the owner of an exterminator business, rather than going off to battle against the Vietcong.

He and Quayle, DeLay explained to the assembled media in New Orleans, were victims of an unusual phenomenon back in the days of the undeclared Southeast Asian war. So many minority youths had volunteered for the well-paying military positions to escape poverty and the ghetto that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself. Satisfied with the pronouncement, which dumbfounded more than a few of his listeners who had lived the sixties, DeLay marched off to the convention.

"Who was that idiot?" asked a TV reporter who arrived at the end of the media show. When he was told the name, it drew a blank. DeLay at that time was a national nobody, and his claim that blacks and browns crowded him and other good conservatives out of Vietnam seemed so outlandish and self-serving that no one bothered to file a news report on the congressman's remarks."

[Bozita]

25. "Comfortable Cowards" is what Mari333 called them on The Guy James Show...

... last week.