Oliver North: Liberals and their conspiracy theories

[bubba_fett]

It's hard to say exactly when the Democrats decisively left the reservation, for the parallel universe that exists only in their own imaginations. In their world, Bill Clinton was impeached solely because Republicans were "trying to overturn the election"; Al Gore would be president today if only Jeb Bush hadn't stolen the election in Florida; and Osama bin Laden is a CIA operative who orchestrated Sept. 11 to justify the end of civil liberties in the United States. This litany of conspiracy theories barely scratches the surface of the paranoid mentality that currently infects American liberals.

Liberals have always loved conspiracy theories because raising the specter of foul play and dirty tricks is an easy and convenient justification for ignoring their own political and policy failures.

During the 1980 election, Democrats claimed that Ronald Reagan made a secret pact with Iranian fundamentalists, in order to prolong the hostage crisis and cause Jimmy Carter's support to further hemorrhage. More recently, leftists attempted to besmirch the Gipper's legacy with the celluloid equivalent of a drive-by shooting -- "The Reagans" -- a historically inaccurate made-for-television movie starring Barbra Streisand's husband as Ronald Reagan.

Then there are the persistent conspiracy theories that the CIA or Pentagon generals were responsible for President John Kennedy's assassination. One version of this fanciful myth was brought to the big screen by liberal icon Oliver Stone. This myth holds that Kennedy was about to withdraw American forces from Vietnam, and thus was targeted for assassination by his own subordinates. Of course, the factual record shows just the opposite, but liberals like Oliver Stone have never been overly concerned with facts.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20040102.shtml

And up is down, right Ollie?

[rumguy]

1. ollie north can kiss my liberal ass!

Yeah, and the Iran Contra scandal was a conspiracy theory too?

[ewagner]

2. Great point!

The Iran Contra Scandal is exactly why I refuse to dismiss all conspiracy theories right off the bat.....

[cyclezealot]

4. Don't forget the BCCI connection.

If only Rep. Henry Gonzalez of Texas could have gotten more support on this investigation tons of Repugs would be in prison...

[blm]

10. Kerry was pointman on BCCi and IranContra. Gonzalez was on Iraqgate.

Cheney, himself called Kerry a "conspiracy theory nut" over his investigations.

[Bushknew]

16. Hee hee, file it under kettle and black

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. I have a question for Ollie North--

Why aren't you in prison?

[Jose Diablo]

5. Ha, you beat me to it with the question

He is not in prison because Judge Silberman reversed a lower court in Ollie's conviction.

You know Silberman, the guy on the Investigation commitee investigating the intelligence about Iraq's WMD leading up to the war.

[mrdmk]

7. Yep, Silberman is their boy!

And expect a slap in the face from the right wing law breakers on this one also.

[JHB]

50. Ironically, Silberman also shows up in the "October Surprise"...

...meets, which Kooky Ollie decided to bring up.

[Skittles]

6. he has a lot of f***ing nerve

accusations coming from an unrepentent criminal don't impress me much.

[jorno67]

8. Is it true that

Oliver North and Sean Hannity will be married later this spring at a small ceremony for family and friends. The nuptials are said to be taking place in Provence-town MA.

[NewHampshireDem]

9. Ollie Hates Conspiracy Theories So Much ...

that he threw in his own:

More recently, leftists attempted to besmirch the Gipper's legacy with the celluloid equivalent of a drive-by shooting -- "The Reagans" -- a historically inaccurate made-for-television movie starring Barbra Streisand's husband as Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, definately a liberal problem.

I didn't bother, because I'm sure I know the answer, but what would happen if you searched Ollie's writings/speeches/etc. for mentions of:
1. Waco
2. Ruby Ridge
3. Wes Clark

I'm sure in each instance, good ole Ollie would come out against conspiracy and in favor of well-researched rational thought. Thank God for Americans like Ollie North ... all felons could learn from hs example.

[Autobot77]

31. He may claim to hate conspiracies...

...but apparently he is pretty paranoid.A friend of mine works at Borders bookstore.One day Ollie was there for a book signing.TThe signing was originally going to be in the cafe but allegedly Ollie made them move the signing to another place in the store.Why?Supposedly Ollie was afraid that if he was sitting by a window he could be a better target for a sniper. He also came to the signing wearing a tin foil hate...just kidding on the last part though I wouldn't be surprised is Ollie had a foil hat. He seems awful nutty to me.

[newyawker99]

34. Hi Autobot77!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Autobot77]

36. Thanks

Thank you, I'm glad to be here :)

[kaitykaity]

11. He who walks out of interviews when the questions get too hot.

I listened to his interview with Randi over and over--it was a kick to hear him bested by her and leave in a huff.

Tarring with a broad conspiracy brush isn't a new trick. Did North get paid for this recycled nonsense?

[9215]

12. He neglected the conspiracy facts

of his most infamous participation as point man in Iran Contra. Why isn't this guy in jail; is there another conspiracy underlying that?

[BeFree]

13. What a whore

Ollie is a bad bad example for the kiddies. A convicted felon who lied to congress, the president, and the American public, shouldn't be allowed to be seen or heard by the wee ones. He's what I would consider an x-rated porno star who should be censored. There is a special place in Hell for he and his kind.

[historian]

14. oh good a felon telling us what truth is

dont you love it? mr liar under oath, who bragged about it, telling us we are idiots?????

[9215]

15. Didn't North say somehting like:

" I lied and that's the truth".

Seems like I remember this from that era, but can't be sure.

[Minstrel Boy]

17. North is all conspiracy, no theory. n/t

[SoCalDem]

18. Poor misguided Ollie.. It's not really conspiracy

It's called LINKAGE... When there is documented evidence that LINKS seemingly disparate information together, and lots of people start looking into it, it's NOT conspiracy.. It's good citizenship.. Detectives do it every day at their jobs.. When they find a dead person, they don't just throw up their hands and say.."Gee, another dead person, wonder what happened to him/her".. They start looking for evidence and they use all those little pieces of the "puzzle" and eventually, if they find enough of them, they can catch a murderer..

Just because devious people try to cover their tracks, and swear some to secrecy, does NOT mean that eventually, SOMEONE won't start looking into things..

Theoretically, whenever two people talk about a third, it's a conspiracy ...

Poor Ollie.. you think you were brave for being a good little kitty, and covering up the turds in the litter box.. Your bosses hung you out to dry ..

[SendTheGOPPacking]

19. Oliver North is a criminal. Who cares what he thinks.

[BigBigBear]

20. Hey Ollie

"It AIn't Over Till Your Brother Counts The Votes".

What's it like to be a felon and serial liar?

[Cat Atomic]

That's an odd position for a conspirator to take.

I mean, North was at the center of one of the biggest conspiracies in US history. He's a traitor, a criminal, and a conspirator.

[leesa]

21. Ah yes, the old GOP trick...pretend conspirancies are the fantasy of

left wing lunatics and no one will notice the conspiracy you are pulling off.

Why isn't this felon still in jail where he belongs?

[homelandpunk]

22. Ollie KNOWS this "theory" to be FACT: Bill Casey offed himself during

the Iran Contra crime investigation. North's partner in crime, Casey, who was crazier than a shit house rat, took himself out before he had to testify. Casey used CIA "doctors" to off him. NORTH KNOWS THIS. Of course North is going to belittle every fucking BFEE crime as "conspiracy". The same way Cheney recently belittled conspiracies he is involved in by openly making fun of his being in the middle of every conspiracy story floating around. He did this in a speech last week. These guys play by this rule: Keep the truth hidden by exposing it. It sounds stupid, but it DOES work.

[Wapsie B]

24. That's it.

Let the truth out and discredit it by calling it a wacky conspiracy theory, thereby branding anyone who believes in such conspiracies as not being quite right.
As hard as it is sometimes to listen to someone like Ollie, if we take the opposite position we know we'll more often than not find the truth.

[ButterflyBlood]

23. haha Ollie. Like I should listen to you

fucking war criminal.

[not systems]

25. Like the crazy one about selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras.

I guess that happened never mind.

[mitchum]

26. Fucking criminal

[Kurovski]

27. Oh, those criminal conservatives

with their water boys, bagmen and liars for hire.

Oh yeah, and their shredders.

[agincourt]

28. It's hard to measure the sickening irony,

that an individual who wanted to set up concentration camps for war protestors and unruly leftists during the mid 80s, now goes off half-cocked on "wacko" conspiracy theories. Of all the people in the world to attack conspiracy theories, you would think he'd be the least likely to. I wonder how popular he'd be now, if he'd got us into that footslogging war in Central America that he wanted so damn bad.

[MadProphetMargin]

29. Hail "Bob", my Yetisin comrade!

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke!

[Rex]

30. There's a conspiracy theory about some asshole Marine officer

who defied Congress and circumvented the U.S. Constitution in order to supply arms to known terrorists. Oh wait, that really happen and everyone knows about it. The real conspiracy is why this modern day traitor is still a free man.

[Octafish]

32. Ollie North, Narcotrafficker

How was cocaine used to fund Regan's Contras?

The Justice Department was slow to respond regarding links between drug traffickers and the Contras. In the spring of 1986, even after the State Department was acknowledging there were problems with drug trafficking in association with Contra activities on the Southern Front, the Justice Department was adamantly denying that there was any substance to the narcotics allegations. At the time, the FBI had significant information regarding the involvement of narcotics traffickers in Contra operations and Neutrality Act violations.

On May 6, 1986, a bipartisan group of Committee staff met with representatives of the Justice Department, FBI, DEA, CIA and State Department to discuss the allegations that Senator Kerry had received information of Neutrality Act violations, gun running and drug trafficking in association with Contra organizations based on the Southern Front in Costa Rica.

As a witness in a drug trial, Carrasco testified that in 1984 and 1985, he piloted planes loaded with weapons for contras operating in Costa Rica. The weapons were offloaded, and then drugs stored in military bags were put on the planes which flew to the United States. "I participated in two which involved weapons and cocaine at the same time," he told the court.

The drugs were flown back to Florida. The only location in Florida that I can verify where flights of drugs terminated is Lakeland, FL.

SOURCE:

http://www.brittsandusky.com/ollie.htm

[9215]

41. In 80's North, at Poppy's behest, tried to smear Kerry.

Kerry investigated Bush Crime Family drug dealing…

Working almost alone in the Senate, John Kerry investigated the Bush Crime Family. For doing so, Ollie North was ordered to sic the FBI on him. Here’s what Kerry’s committee found and, underneath, what author Jonathan Vankin had to say:

Selections from the Senate Committee Report on
Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy
chaired by Senator John F. Kerry
Excerpt …
The Subcommittee found that the Contra drug links included:
--Involvement in narcotics trafficking by individuals associated with the Contra movement.
--Participation of narcotics traffickers in Contra supply operations through business relationships with Contra organizations.
--Provision of assistance to the Contras by narcotics traffickers, including cash, weapons, planes, pilots, air supply services and other materials, on a voluntary basis by the traffickers.
--Payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies.
These activities were carried out in connection with Contra activities in both Costa Rica and Honduras.
Continued… along with complete report:
http://www.webcom.com/pinknoiz/covert/contracoke.html#I <http://www.webcom.com/pinknoiz/covert/contracoke.html>
For Kerry’s trouble, Bush ordered Poindexter and Ollie North to get the FBI on Kerry. Could that be why Junior sealed all of Poppy’s papers as soon as he could start signing stuff back in January 2001? Here’s some of what we do have on record::
Read what Jonathan Vankin wrote, back when Iran-Contra drug dealing was merely a risqué subject (today, it’s gone taboo, with reporters losing their jobs for writing stories about it). BTW, I’m sorry I couldn’t post this underneath several posts where it would be apropos.

EXCERPT:
… To comprehend the government’s role in cocaine traffic, (Manuel) Noriega is useful as a kind of focal point. He was on the payroll of the CIA at the same time he worked for the Medellin Cartel for four million dollars per month. The Medellin Cartel is the Columbian cocaine syndicate, responsible for most of the cocaine that enters the U.S.A.
Noriega was also connected to George Bush (Senior), and through Bush to Oliver North. They used Noriega as a conduit for getting arms to the contras.
Bush, North, and other government insiders at the CIA and the National Security Council (which under Reagan got heavily into covert operations) most likely knew about Noriega’s involvement with drugs. Revelations about Noriega, and about direct contra and CIA involvement with cocaine smuggling, found their way into public record via a subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by John Kerry.
In 1986, Senator Kerry received information that the Costa Rican branch of a Miami-based shrimp company Ocean Hunter, widely regarded as a drug-running front, had received checks for more than $200,000 dollars from the U.S. government. The money was part of the “humanitarian aid” allocated for the contras by Congress. Wondering why the cash was channeled to this shrimp-and-dope outfit, Kerry went to the FBI asking for an inquiry. Instead, the FBI investigated Kerry himself.
SNIP…
But wait, it gets better!
According to the FBI reports, North asked the FBI to investigate Kerry, to find links between the Massachusetts senator and the Nicaraguan Sandinista government. The investigation was reportedly initiated by a crack FBI counterintelligence group usually employed to track foreign agents in the United States.
SOURCE: Jonathan Vankin. Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Crimes: Political Manipulation and Mind Control in America, Paragon House, New York, pp. 163-164 (1991):

If you don’t have access to the book, here’s some stuff available on-line (scroll down a bit and you’ll find the above from the book):
<http://www.conspire.com/drugscia2.html>

[Octafish]

47. The DEA's own man reported NORTH's drug-running...

...and he was ignored, apart from John Kerry and his staff.

I really appreciate you and so many on DU care, 9215! Let's keep spreading the word and the rest of the country will care, too.

Oliver North- Drug Trafficking Hero on the Lecture Circuit

Should we forgive and forget, or hold him accountable for his extensive past drug trafficking ties?

by Celerino Castillo 3rd

EXCERPT...

Several years ago, the extreme right arm of the Christian Coalition selected to support Oliver North for U.S. Senate. Their support backfired and North became one of two Republicans who lost the elections that year. During North’s campaign, I traveled to Virginia, went out to the “grassroots” communities and educated them on who Oliver North really was. I went as far as challenging North for a debate. Of course, he refused. My first question would had been: Why did you campaign to obtain the release of Honduran army general Jose Bueso-Rosa from a federal prison, after his arrest for smuggling 763 pounds of cocaine and for murder? Bueso-Rosa’s partner in the venture was international arms dealer Felix Latchinian, who in turn was an ex-business partner of CIA agent (Cubano) Felix Rodriguez. During the 70s and 80s, Felix Rodriguez was tied to several terrorist organizations who terrorize both the United States and Latin America. Felix Rodriguez, also known as Max Gomez, was in charge of the Contra’s supply network in El Salvador, which was also involved in drug trafficking. If this sounds complicated just remember that all this drug trafficking was paid for with your taxpayer dollars.

The Captain’s poor judgment, that the means justifies the end, will hurt the Republican Party. On November 1, 2001, after several months of delays, George W. Bush changed an Executive Order that prevented the release of papers from the Reagan presidency, even though the release is mandated by The Presidential Records Act of 1978. Several years ago I was able to legally obtain Top Secret government documents, declassified, from the National Archives. Soon after the release, the government reclassified them citing National Security. These are some of the documents that President Bush wants kept secret. Some of these documents affirm the plans to mine the harbors of Nicaragua. Because of the Captain’s decision to continue in support of individuals like Oliver North, I have no choice but to release these documents to Univision and make the first offer to an American news media, Mr. North’s employer, Fox News.

We Americans are not hated by other Third World countries because we practice democracy, value freedom or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism. War crimes also come easily because the U.S. considers itself the vehicle of a higher morality and truth and can operate in violation of law without cost.

This world has become a very dangerous place to live, not just because of the evil people that control it, but also because of the individuals who do absolutely nothing to make it a better place to live. Because of the atrocities that my government committed in Central America, I’ve renounced my Bronze Star back to my government at the Vietnam Wall. I am also now capable of feeling deeply in my blood when an injustice is being committed. That is why I’ve risked the remainder of my life to demonstrate what I believe to be real. And that is that an armed struggle (pen in hand) is in order for those who are struggling to keep their freedom for telling the truth.

CONTINUED...

http://www.drugwar.com/castillonorth.shtm

[JHB]

51. I Volunteer to Kidnap Oliver North

http://ciadrugs.homestead.com/files/ml-kiki-north.html

No one person in our government's history more embodied what Senator John Kerry referred to when he called the US protection of the drug smuggling Contras a "betrayal of the American people."

Few Americans, thanks to what one time CIA chief William Colby referred to as the news media's "misplaced sense of patriotism," are aware that the Nobel prize winning President of Costa Rica, Oscar Arias—as a result of an in-depth investigation by the Costa Rican Congressional Commission on Narcotics that found "virtually all Contra factions were involved in drug trafficking"—banned Oliver North, U.S. Ambassador Lewis Tambs, National Security Advisor Admiral John Poindexter, Presidential Advisor Richard Secord and C.I.A. station chief José Fernandez, by Executive order, from ever entering Costa Rica— for their roles in utilizing Costa Rican territory for cocaine trafficking.

In fact, when Costa Rica began its investigation into the drug trafficking allegations against North and naively thought that the U.S. would gladly lend a hand in efforts to fight drugs, they received a rude awakening about the realities of America's war on drugs as opposed to its "this-scourge-will-end" rhetoric.

After five witnesses testified before the U.S. Senate, confirming that John Hull—a C.I.A. operative and the lynch-pin of North's contra re supply operation—had been actively running drugs from Costa Rica to the U.S. "under the direction of the C.I.A.," Costa Rican authorities arrested him. Hull then quickly jumped bail and fled to the U.S.—according to my sources—with the help of DEA, putting the drug fighting agency in the schizoid business of both kidnapping accused drug dealers and helping them escape; although the Supreme Court has not legalized the latter . . . yet.

more----

[Octafish]

54. You mean AFTER the traitor's latest indictments...

... You volunteer to lead the arrest team, of course. I'd like to drive the paddy wagon.



"Don't worry, Mr. Cheney. I'll take it easy going around the corners."

[Deja Q]

33. Ollie North can go to jail where he belongs for 25 years!

It would have been 14 years left, but he cheated to get out of justice.

[JohnLocke]

35. F you, Oliver North.

Your little corrupt criminal ass belongs in prison, hear?

[suegeo]

37. Ollie North is a dangerous nut

This guy (who helped to arm the terrorists) belongs in lock down.

We can't get at the truth Ollie, you sack of poop, because you guys keep shredding it.

You and Poindexter suck.

[Zorra]

38. North is the essence of conservative credibility.

He helped orchestrate a disgraceful national embarrassment.

[name not needed]

39. Its nice to know a convict doesn't like us.

[Joanne98]

40. Oliver North sells drugs isn't a theory, it's a fact

[Beam Me Up]

46. The Ultra-Right always has the best DOPE

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

42. Oh, Ollie, you deluded fool...

do be silent, get on your knees and thank God you're not in a cell, you unreconstructed gutter snipe.

[9215]

43. Ollie's Plumbers

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/clinton1.html

snip
Ollie's Plumbers
.....A similar abuse occurred in 1986, when evidence began leaking out about Oliver North's secret supply line to Nicaraguan contra rebels. Reagan's White House tried to destroy witnesses who knew about those illegal operations.

North sicced former CIA officer Glenn Robinette on one whistleblower, named Jack Terrell, who had trained contra units in Honduras and returned with accounts of contra atrocities and cocaine trafficking. Robinette ran a mini-plumbers unit, which cranked down on leaks that were endangering North's secrecy.

When Terrell came to Washington in 1986 to tell his story to Congress, Robinette contacted Terrell. According to Robinette's July 17, 1986, memo to North, the goal was to "sting" Terrell by luring him into phony business deals. When that failed, Robinette fed derogatory information to the FBI, which put Terrell under investigation for a purported threat against President Reagan's life.

Meanwhile, at the White House, North reported to his boss, national security adviser John Poindexter, that a high-powered inter-agency task force called the Terrorist Incident Working Group had turned over "all information" on Terrell to the FBI. In a July 17, 1986, memo, North said the TIWG's "operations sub-group" would review an FBI "counter-intelligence, counter-terrorism operations plan" to neutralize Terrell.

"It is interesting to note that Terrell has been part of what appears to be a much larger operation being conducted against our support for the Nicaraguan resistance," North declared...... more

[Nameless]

44. Point by Point

1) Clinton: Oliver North presents no rebuttal to the charge that Republicans impeached Bill Clinton purely for political purposes, he just treads in generalizations. Bill Clinton was hounded by the Republicans even before he announced his candidacy for President (See Chapter 1 of The Hunting of the President by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons) and once he was in office, launched dozens of failed and groundless investigations into Clinton's supposed nefarious deeds. The closest they came to bringing him down was this impeachment on Clinton lying about his sex life. While I deplore Clinton's personal actions in this instance, they were not in any way sufficient for impeachment, as what Clinton did was lie about a sexual affair that had no bearing on the accusation that he harassed Paula Jones. Not only that, but Jones' suit was thrown out of court, making Clinton's testimony even less prosecutable.
By the way, wouldn't you think that Oliver North, a man who lied to Congress about his Iran-Contra actions would be the last to target Clinton? Maybe not.

2) Florida: In fact, Jeb Bush's administration did much to hinder the vote in Florida. One way of doing it was to deny former felons who had their voting rights reinstated their right to vote (this illegitimately disenfranchised about 40,000 citizens). This is just part of the cesspool that was Florida's electoral process, more of which can be found in Chapter one of The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast (PDF file found here: http://www.gregpalast.com/bestdemocracymoneycanbuychapter1.pdf)

3) 9/11: It is not a mainstream liberal belief at all that Bush orchestrated or had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. An example of liberal's non belief of that theory can be found in Eric Alterman's interview with C-Span after a caller suggested it happened (The video can be found at illegal codeplayClip('rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/15days/wj030204.rm') )

4) Carter/Iran: Okay, I've never heard of this one. I doubt it was ever a major item among liberals.

5) Reagan miniseries: The miniseries was not "historically inaccurate" or a "drive-by shooting" at all. As for inaccurate, conservatives have taken issue with a statement in the movie when Reagan says, "Those who live in sin will die in sin" referring to AIDS victims. Journalists and conservative pundits have decried this as a defamatory line in the movie, but according to Reagan biographer Edmund Morris, author of 'Dutch', Reagan said something quite similiar to that. According to Morris, Reagan said, maybe the Lord brought down this plague" because "illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments.", a statement that's quite similar.

How about the "drive-by-shooting" part of North's statement? Please. The miniseries gives him credit for economic expansion, winning the Cold War, and being a "wonderful" husband. Also, as Eric Alterman pointed out(http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=11276), the miniseries left out many damaging facts about Reagan's presidency.

If you want to judge for yourself, go read the script at http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/07/reagans_script/ .

6) JFK assassination: Again, not a mainstream liberal belief. Basically, its Oliver Stone all by himself on that one.

I'll probably update this post later to rebut the entirety of the column, but for now, I'll leave it at that.

Once a lying criminal, always a lying criminal.

[Lorne]

45. Ollie North can kissy my hairy white ass.

I hate that lying fuck.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Go Back To Jail, Ollie

After all, it is where you belong, you traitorous felon.
The Professor

[spanone]

49. Mr. North should be in jail. Instead he has a tv show on faux.

That's America!

[Jack Rabbit]

52. In what parallel universe is Ollie living?

Does he mean there was some valid reason to impeach Clinton? That's news to me.

Does he mean that Jeb and Cruella didn't steal the 2000 election in Florida? It is a firmly established fact that they did; Ollie's denials won't change it.

I suppose there is some theory out there about Osama being a US government agent helping Bush usher in an era of fascism, but this progressive Democrat doesn't buy it.

This makes about as much sense as most of Ann Coulter's work: none whatsoever. It is a cornucopia of innuendo, guilt by association and red herrings. It even contains contradictions of facts. Yes, Ollie, Bush knew a more about what Osama was up to and did nothing about it; or are you calling Richard Clarke a liar?

[YIMA]

53. What an a**hole!

I suppose Skull & Bones is all foolishness, too.

[opihimoimoi]

55. Conservatives and their wimpy fetishes