Cheney on TV blaming terrorism on Clinton (1993 WTC bombing)

[keithyboy]

LISTEN UP!!!

I posted a few days ago a question about how many attacks on America occured BEFORE we put troops in Saudi Arabia?

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE ANSWER SHOWS A DIRECT LINK BETWEEN OSAMA ATTACKS AGAINST THE US AND OUR TROOPS BEING IN SAUDIA ARABIA.

Folks, this shit all started with Bush Sr and his Desert Storm, not with Bill Clinton. You may not like Islamics or Muslims but you can take them at their word. They do not deny their acts nor do they give phony reasons for their actions. Osama said that 9/11 was a direct response to two things: our military being on holy Islamic land (Saudi Arabia) and the US backing of Israeli brutality against the Palestinians. All kinds of talking heads give their "talking point" reasons for 9/11 like the stupid statement that "they hate us because of our freedoms." But there is no reason to not take Osama and now al-qaeda at their word. They have demonstrated that they are true to their word while American leaders are not. The latest statement published by al-qaeda is that we should get out of their land, stop attacking them, and they will stop attacking us. Now Cheney is on TV giving more dribble about WMDs and the evil of the terrorists. Cheney has no right or authority to speak against Kerry's positions on terrorism when he (Cheney) was a major player in building up Saddam's eveil regime.

WE WILL NEVER WIN THIS 'WAR' UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND OUR ENEMY AND BE HONEST ABOUT OUR OWN MOTIVES. 9/11 would never have happened had we removed our troops from Saudi Arabia and had we adopted a more even-handed approach to the ME situation. I may be the only one on this board who feels this way, but it is imortant to keep this perspective before the American people. No matter how much and how often the Arabs, Islamics, or Muslims state their grievences we simply ignore what they say and continue to spin it the way the PNACers want.
We do this at our own peril and peril of the safety and security of the rest of the world.

[Langis]

1. This is making me sick!

Fuck you Cheney!

[chelsea0011]

2. He reads well. I like the shiny top of his head

Quick hand me my speech.

[rumguy]

3. Do you think if we did all that

Al Queda would be friendly? Would we still not be the Great Satan?

On Edit: Got some links for me? I do like propositions that rattle the established thinking about any subject....

[keithyboy]

17. They don't have to be "friendly" but they would probably leave us alone!

You don't have to like us, how many peoples do we actually "like" or have to be "friendly" with? But we leave most of them alone. I take them at their word since they have been truer to their words than we have.

[leftynyc]

32. I believe our troops have been taken out of Saudi Arabia

Exactly when is Al Queda going to stop blowing things up? And do you really think our foreign policy should be dictated by them?

[Sparkly]

4. Since I've been listening, it's a speech on Kerry...

Mischaracterizations, half-truths, lies, spin...

I hope the Kerry people get on this PRONTO!!!

The juxtaposition of this speech with the horror in Baghdad, split-screen, is just too amazing.

[leftynyc]

33. That speech was disgusting. Imagine being

lectured by someone who claims "he had better things to do" than sign up and fight in Vietnam but now has no qualms about sending someone else's children to die. Now that's chutzpah!!!

And he's been hiding in an "undisclosed location" since 9/11. What a friggin coward!!!

[niceypoo]

5. Cheney/Bush is scared

The 911 report will come out soon

[berner59]

10. 9/11 9/11 9/11.....

Shameful...

[Skittles]

14. that is EXACTLY what it is

the report must be scathing for them to test out their ridiculous talking points en masse now.

[ronnykmarshall]

6. ABC!

Allways
Blame
Clinton

[CityZen-X]

19. Back Slapping Bubba's

One B.J and you are crucified for the sins of the neo-cons!

I can't help but think that somewhere in this country there are a couple of trailer park Bubba's watching the Chimp's Cheney on TV, back slapping each other saying, see I knew it all along Bubba! We gonna vote for Bush!
This is another reason why we have to remove the ability of ones signature being a bond with a mark of an X!

[bunk76]

7. He is using...

the dead to take a free shot at Kerry...Mr.Cheney...sir, u are a complete low life.

[proud patriot]

8. just how many time did Cheney's terrorism task force meet prior to 9/11

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[chelsea0011]

9. Jeese. Surreal. Burning Bagdad and Cheney side by side on TV

And he's spinning success.

[youngred]

11. one bit, this didn't start with Poppy in 91

it started when we put the shah in in a coup, when we supported the house of saud for their oil money, when we began supportingisrael undonditionally.

[aquart]

20. Really. What conditions would you put on support of Israel?

I'd like to know.

[Sinistrous]

12. Lest we forge the bush cave-in to the terrorists:

Osama wanted us out of Saudi Arabia, and he got exactly what he wanted -- courtesy solely of G. W. Bush.

[proud patriot]

16. bush/cheney 04 "giving ossama all he demands for 4 more years"

Stand Up America , vote these greedy slithering Snakes out.

[Sparkly]

13. Considering what's happening in Baghdad,

shouldn't Cheney be working? Shouldn't he be at his desk or in his bunker or at a meeting or on the phone or doing *something* to find out what happened, what is happening now, and what needs to happen next?

[Skittles]

15. HA HA, HA HA HA HA

unless they are screwing over the American people THEY DON'T WORK.

[ignatius]

29. Or fundraising, it seems to me they work pretty damned hard at that!

n/t

[yellowcanine]

21. I am sure the taxpayers are footing the bill so technically he is working

Bush/Chaney don't make a big deal out of keeping campaigning separate from governing, in case you hadn't noticed.

[aquart]

18. Abandon Israel because Osama wants it?

And then our women can start wearing burkas so as not to offend him.

Wouldn't want to upset anyone who can build a bomb and strap it to a ten year old, now would we?

[rinsd]

22. Disagree.

"the US backing of Israeli brutality against the Palestinians"

This can be shortened to US backing of Israel. The brutality aspect is part of the message but Osama doesn't want a Jewish Palestine.

That doesn't change the fact that Cheney is being dishonest.

"But there is no reason to not take Osama and now al-qaeda at their word"

Word can't describe how naive this statement is.

"The latest statement published by al-qaeda is that we should get out of their land, stop attacking them, and they will stop attacking us."

Will it? See appeasement in the dictionary.

Even assuming the most optimistic scenario that Al Queda will stop, doesn't mean others will not take his group's place. You are swallowing the Bush spin that AlQueda is the end all, be all of terrorism. France just got a threat from some group over their head scarf ban. Whther its legit or not remains to be seen

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V7067.AP-France-Islamic-.html

[keithyboy]

24. Well, show me where Osama or al-qaeda have not lived up to thier word

I may not like what they say or agree with it, but they seem to say exactly what they mean and do exactly what they say, unlike this Bush administration for which many lies and misinformation can be documented.

[rinsd]

26. The enemy of your enemy....

"I may not like what they say or agree with it, but they seem to say exactly what they mean and do exactly what they say, unlike this Bush administration for which many lies and misinformation can be documented."

People who hold life of the non believer as void and who have willingly slaughtered as many innocents as possible to create a climate of fear are not people I put faith in to stop violence.

The Bush admin's lying doesn't make Al-queda credible.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend by any means.

Oh and if Osama keeps his word this is going to be a long conflict regardless of what the US does. Read some of his transcripts

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=osama+transcript

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Do you have a link to the latest al Qaeda statement?

How do we know yet that this statement is authentic? Whose the source?

Thanks

[rinsd]

28. Try google

With France and terror.....I just grabbed the first google news link.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=france+terror

Apparently its some previously unknown group and the are checking the veracity. Like I said whther this is some new faction or not remains to be seen. Considering the uproar the scarf ban caused in the large Muslim community in France it is not a big leap to think some will get militant about it.

The article in the original post also says the largest Muslim party in France denounced this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. There have been a number of different statements

the last few days.

I believe the statement you are refering to, is from one of the other statements, not the French one. Some of the other statements are very likely bogus and that is why I was curious exactly which statement you were quoting from, especially since the actual text of a lot of these supposed statements hasn't even been released?


Thanks again.

[rinsd]

35. Questions...confusion

Were you looking for the latest Al-Quaeda statement regarding the Madrid bombings, the one where Osama talks about not allowing Palestine to be Jewish or the one from the unknown group about French headscarves?

[DoYouEverWonder]

36. Sorry, I guess I should have addressed my question

to Keithyboy. You were referring to his a quote in his original statement, "The latest statement published by al-qaeda is that we should get out of their land, stop attacking them, and they will stop attacking us."

Sometimes it's easy to get lost in a thread and I was curious about this particular statement because I believe it is from one of the bogus statements that have come out in the last few days. The reason why I am so curious is because I believe I have found the original source for some of these statements and I know that some of this noise and chatter, especially the stuff in December was being created here in the US by Americans.

[Mick Knox]

23. I am Nauseated by Cheney's speech...

I am equally nauseated at the deafening silence from Kerry.

That was the longer commercial for shrub.

Ugh.

Sickening.

[Love Bug]

25. Excuse me Cheney, but...

The first WTC bombing happened, when, only 3-4 months after Clinton was first inagurated? And not only did Clinton NOT blame the previous administration, the criminals who did this were caught, tried and are now rotting in jail. So, Cheney, how's your administration's track record? Hmmmm? (crickets chirping)

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. Plus they confessed to the plans for Project Bojinka

where they planned to blow up 11 hijacked jets at the same time and to fly airplanes into buildings.

Too bad Condi couldn't be bothered to do her homework. She should have at least read the transcripts from the NYC terrorist trials. They were even available on the internet for awhile. The testimony of terrorists spells out in great detail their plans and their networks. Clinton handed all this to the Bu$h misadministration on a silver platter, but W and Condi were too busy doing photo ops to bother their beautiful minds with such things.

If Al Gore was in the WH, you could be damn sure that he would have continued surveying Osama with the drones, which would have been equipped with missiles at this point, since that technology was just becoming available at the beginning of 2001.

[Catherine Vincent]

34. I missed it.

What exactly did Cheney say in blaming Clinton?