Spain tells bush to shove it!!!!!

[historian]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=10&u=/nm/20040317/ts_nm/spain_zapatero_dc_4

[Arkana]

1. kudos to Zapatero

For standing up for what is right. Get ready for freedom rice! :puke:
:mad: :wtf:

[Earth_First]

2. Chalk one up for terrorism...

now is not the time to be showing weakness and organizational flaws in the determination to counter terrorism.

[spanone]

7. we showed that when we invaded Iraq. A serious organizational "flaw"

[Earth_First]

11. I do not contest otherwise...

however this is a major development in the eyes of a terrorist organization. The ablility to influence an election in a democratic society, this is huge. Additionally to influence the foreign policy and military operations, huge.

[monobrau]

15. This is what influenced the election:

Please put down the republican talking points for a minute and educate yourself.
This was about a neo-fascist government getting the boot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/17/international/europe/17SPAI.html

"Voters said they were enraged not only by the government's insistence that the Basque separatist group ETA was responsible, despite mounting evidence to the contrary, but they also resented its clumsy attempts to quell antigovernment sentiment."

...

"That was the last straw for some Spaniards, who said it evoked the nightmare of censorship during the Franco dictatorship little more than a quarter of a century ago."

[Earth_First]

16. Please put down your...

generalizations and accusations, and I may feel compelled to read your talking points...

[info being]

27. I don't believe you are a DK supporter

[Earth_First]

28. Witch Hunt?

ssia

[Kazak]

31. 'Sure doesn't sound like one...

:eyes:

[info being]

26. Been watching too much CNN?

[historian]

8. i hope you are not serious

Just because the people (NOT the goernment) objected to a war which they knew was based on lies and a grab for oil does not make them bow to terrorists. On the contrary, they had made their point clear before the war and are now telling bushco and the other a...holes who joined this war that they are not willing to pay the price for something they never wanted in the first place
good for them

[Bridget Burke]

10. What did the invasion of Iraq have to do with terrorism?

Besides encouraging it, that is?

[Earth_First]

14. Absolutely nothing...

n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

34. That move on video is perfect!

[monobrau]

13. I hope you're joking

If you're not joking, could you explain what the invasion of Iraq has to do with fighting terrorism? Are you implying that Spain should keep troops in Iraq against the will of it's people just to spite Al Queda?

[Droopy]

17. Iraq is not about fighting terrorism

There was no proven connections between Hussein's regime and international terrorism.

[BurtWorm]

19. That's a Bushist talking point. And it's not rational.

It is not rational to claim that because the socialists won, the terrorists won. In fact that is not what the Spanish people have been saying. Their vote was intended to signal rejection of the Aznar's complicity in the failure of a war in Iraq/on terror.

Would terrorism have lost if the Spanish people voted for Aznar, despite his having blatantly lied to them about who was responsible for the attacks in Madrid, despite his having dragged Spain into Iraq against the overwhelming will of the Spanish people?

[Joanne98]

24. It's not weak to throw liars and crooks out of office

n/t

[Mountainman]

33. Says you

Bush is more a terrorist than anyone. How many Iraqis have been killed for the right's greed? The terrorist did not come from Iraq. Wrong country wrong war.

[Renew Deal]

3. Get the 5's out.

[monobrau]

4. My man!

He also mentioned something about seeing how Kerry does in the election in a clip I saw on CNN this morning.

[eissa]

5. I love this quote

"Fighting terrorism with bombs, with operations of 'shock and awe', with missiles, that does not combat terrorism it only generates more radicalism," the 43-year-old Socialist leader said.

"The way to fight terrorism is with the rule of law, with international legislation, with intelligence services," he said. "This is what the international community should be talking about."


How arrogant (and typical) for our "president" to expect Zapatero to go back on his campaign pledge, defy the majority of Spaniards, and follow *'s lead. This guy is no Blair.

[mrgorth]

23. Awesome!

He gets it.

[galadrium]

6. Spain=terrorist supporter

Uh oh... looks like Spain is now "with the terrorists" LOL.

[rock]

25. Maybe bushsucks* will place them on the axis of evil list

[newyawker99]

29. Hi galadrium!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[liberal72]

9. Were about to find out which philosophy wins out.

I predict this will be an important butting of heads to see which method really works out. The talking is over, let the battle begin.

[NoPasaran]

12. Viva Zapatero! n/t

[jean]

18. earth first - go read Juan Cole right now! Spain will refocus the wrath

of the world toward anti-terrorism. We've spent too long being distracted in Iraq with regime change and nation building.

Here's Cole's link:

Did al-Qaeda win the Spanish elections?
http://www.juancole.com/2004_03_01_juancole_archive.html#107942407001890750

[rocktivity]

20. What's Spanish for

CROOKED LIARS! LYING CROOKS!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. BANDIDOS MENTIROSOS! MENTIROSOS BANDIDOS! (nt)

[ObaMania]

21. I wonder why he's waiting to long, though?

To show he really means business, I'm surprised he didn't say "by the end of April". Waiting until the end of June, IMO, is pretty much in line with when the occupiers plan to transition Gov't, etc...

[ElementaryPenguin]

30. Awesome! Wish we could vote for Zapatero here!

:bounce:

[tobius]

32. will kerry embrace zapatero or leave him out to dry like dean? nt