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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:00 AM
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HUGE!-3 articles -BUSH failing to get OBL using drones & military pre-9/11
I include USA Today, CBS/AP, as well as a Guardian link. I suspect the first two will be seen by whomever you e-mail this too as credible independent sources.

The NBC report is pretty damning in the eyes of many folks but this shows that indeed W's "Operation Ignore" is the real culprit, problem is that it doesn't fit into a 10 second sound bite

Bush slow on bin Laden drones before 9/11
Posted 6/25/2003 7:37 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-25-drones-osama_x.htm

WASHINGTON (AP) — Prowling the skies over Afghanistan in the months before President Bush took office, unmanned and unarmed Predator drones proved to be one of America's major successes in its frustrating hunt for Osama bin Laden.

But the promising aircraft remained grounded under the new administration until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, say current and former U.S. officials who describe a paralyzing internal debate over finances, arming the drones with deadly missiles and concern over who would take the blame if something went wrong.

Unresolved issues at that Sept. 4 meeting included whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate newly armed Predators and whether its new missiles were sufficiently lethal to kill bin Laden, a designated terrorist already blamed for deadly attacks against two U.S. embassies in Africa and the USS Cole and the subject of at least three secret orders by President Clinton to have him captured or killed.

The disappearance during 2001 of Predators from Afghanistan — partly because of unfavorable seasonal weather patterns and fears that potential targets on the ground were learning to spot them — is discussed in classified sections of Congress' report on pre-Sept. 11 intelligence failures and is expected to be examined by an independent commission appointed by the president and Congress, officials said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/attack/main560293.shtml

WASHINGTON, June 25, 2003

(CBS/AP) The Bush administration was advised in early 2001 by a holdover from the Clinton White House to use unmanned aircraft to target Osama bin Laden, but worries over missile technology and territorial wrangling between the CIA and Pentagon delayed the deployment until after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

Officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that within days of Mr. Bush taking office in January 2001, his top terrorism expert on the National Security Council, Richard Clarke, urged National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice to resume the drone flights to track down bin Laden, citing the successes of late 2000.

At a White House meeting of Mr. Bush's national security principals on Sept. 4, 2001, senior officials discussed several ideas, including use of the drones, as they finalized a plan to accelerate efforts to go after al Qaeda amid signs of a growing threat of a domestic attack.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,769399,00.html

Monday August 5, 2002

The Bush administration sat on a Clinton-era plan to attack al-Qaida in Afghanistan for eight months because of political hostility to the outgoing president and competing priorities, it was reported yesterday.

The plan, under which special forces troops would have been sent after Osama bin Laden, was drawn up in the last days of the Clinton administration but a decision was left to the incoming Bush team.

Mr Clarke, who stayed on in his job as White House counter-terrorism tsar, repeated his briefing for vice president Dick Cheney in February. However, the proposals got lost in the clumsy transition process, turf wars between departments and the separate agendas of senior members of the Bush administration.

It was, the Time article argues, "a systematic collapse in the ability of Washington's national security apparatus to handle the terrorist threat".

But the Time report quotes Bush officials as well as Clinton aides as confirming the seriousness of the Clarke plan. The sources said it was treated the same way as all policies inherited from the Clinton era, and subjected to a lengthy "policy review process".

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:03 AM
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1. Typical
Edited on Wed Mar-17-04 09:04 AM by Jacobin
If there is anything that can be done wrong, Smirky will always find a way to do it. It's the only thing that is certain about this administration.

On edit: Where the hell are those panties that the briefs used to chase????!!! :-)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:05 AM
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2. Yeah, the "whatever Clinton did, let's do the opposite" policy worked well
didn't it? Bastards.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:14 AM
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3. That is exactly what this was
Must scrub anything and everything Clinton immediately!!!!

Problem is he was President for 8 years AND there is a remote chance that he might have actually been right about something, odds are.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:09 AM
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20. Passing this one around, underpants. Thanks.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:14 AM
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4. Guess they were too busy drawing up tax cuts.
Priorities is priorities. You wouldn't want the millionaires to starve or anything.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:06 AM
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17. And carving up Iraq.
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:30 AM
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:18 AM
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5. MSNBC is only mentioning Clinton had him and let him go
That is the spin of the day. The Chimp gets another pass.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:33 AM
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10. I near puked watching NBC
It's astounding they have the balls to float this total distortion.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:43 AM
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11. What the Sudan- Ijaz BS?
I suspect that the RW radio gons and FOX are going to make that connection many times in the days to come. This spin went direct to NBC didn't it?
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:16 PM
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26. NBC is the most offensive fascist hijacker of our public airwaves
if you don't count Faux/*
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:03 AM
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16. I don't suppose the whore media ever mentions the CIA/Osama story?
CIA AGENT ALLEGEDLY
MET BIN LADEN IN JULY
From 'Le Figaro' <1 November 2001>
Translated by Tiphaine Dickson
http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/lefigaro.htm
===========================
By Alexandra Richard
(Page 2, Le FigaroOctober 31st, 2001)
Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the Federation of the United Arab Emirates, North-East of Abi-Dhabi. This city, population 350,000, was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.

http://www.public-action.com/911/ob_cia.html

Let's see, summer of 2001? That was Bush's administration, wasn't it? It seems if the Bushistas really wanted to get Osama, this would have been the perfect time. One man/one bullet. Simply walk into Osama's hospital room and pop him. But apparently this was distasteful to His Royal Flatulence, and he refused to do it. Why?

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:20 AM
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6. what`s up with these
conservatives? the guy in Spain pulled back the police before the bombings when every intell in Europe knew it was coming and the Spanish intell knew who the players were and where they were coming from.makes you wanna say-hmmmmmm
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:07 AM
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18. hey rchsod, do you have a link?
n/t
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:24 AM
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7. Two points to add to the discussion
First, I remember that in the days immediately after 9/11, Tenet was quoted as saying that he tried to tell "anybody who would listen" about the dangers of Osama. He also said that he couldn't get an audience with anybody , "unless you wanted to talk about tax cuts."

I've tried to find links to this but haven't been able to. I just remember hearing the comments made on CNN right after 9/11 (those were pre-DU days for me) Anybody have a link?

The second point is how MSRNC is spinning this story. I just saw a promo where they are saying "Two Presidents missed the opportunity" to get Osama. There were pictures of Clinton and Bush one either side of the Predator Video of Osama.

Soooo....they're going to try and hang 9/11 on Clinton again.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:29 AM
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8. They have adopted an "Anybody but Bush" strategery
as in blame 9/11 on "Anybody but Bush". Fox tried to pin it on Kerry just yesterday.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:31 AM
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9. MSNBC is hanging Clinton and letting Bush walk
Edited on Wed Mar-17-04 09:35 AM by xray s
So what's new?

Actually one of their General spokesmen let it slip that bin Laden was also "in our sights" after 9/11 at the tail end of a 10 minute segment ripping Clinton.

I guess the General wandered off script.

Oh...do you think we will ever see a "secret video" of bin Laden on tape after 9/11?
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:51 AM
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12. somebody post this over at freeperville
and watch their heads explode
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 10:01 AM
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14. I think the USA Today article would serve that best
It's kinda hard to pin a left or right label on USA Today IMHO.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 09:52 AM
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13. Kick
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 10:36 AM
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15. So Clinton tried to catch Osama
with very limited resources and actually came close at least once, but Bu$hCo canceled the program and Osama got away.

Now 3 years later, we invaded Afghanistan and killed 1000's of civilians, we have 1000's of US troops on the ground and every resource at their disposal and W still can't find Osama! Excuse me, this is Clinton's fault? Sure, whatever.

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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:09 AM
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19. Hope this gets out because it is NOT the NBC spin today
..typical. They have this as a big story complete with the drone tapes spotting bin Laden in 2000. Their whole story is that Clinton failed, blah, blah. And then at the very end, the women who's doing this report for NBC tonight, casually mentions that they will be talking about what Bush administration did or did not do with this technology, etc. In other words, they just dropped that in at the end so that the impression is: Clinton could have prevented 9/11 but didn't. I sure hope they fully explain the last part of this 'story' as they say they will talk about tonight on the news. Damn these people.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 12:33 PM
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22. Hope this backfires
CNN reports that the CIA will be investigating the leak of the tape.
If it's the Rove ratfuckers spilling secrets for political gain again...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:13 AM
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21. Bush* will never be blamed for his failures leading to 9/11....
if he does get blamed, they will drag Clinton in with him and blame him too. That way Bush* will not stand alone. We all know that is what's going to happen especially if the conservative media gets it way.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 06:44 PM
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23. Kick n/t
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skeptic9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 10:39 PM
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24. kick
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-04 11:09 PM
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25. All these stories are "Limited hangouts"
That is... when a culprit draws attention to something they did wrong to draw attention away from their real crimes. None of these alleged offences comes close to what really happened on 911, when * was asleep at the wheel (or much worse). Nor do they even come close to the screwups like the engineering of the war in iraq through lies or the Plame incident...

Sorry

But I am not impressed...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:58 AM
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27. kick
:kick:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:10 AM
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:31 AM
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30. Speaking of fiendships with Saddam....
Edited on Thu Mar-18-04 01:35 AM by xray s
How could you expect Clinton to fix the mess Bush and Reagan left after 8 years?

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