New * Ad slamming Kerry on votes!

[napi21]

New * ads about Kerry voting against funding raises for military, finding armor for Iraq was, and a bunch of other things. I think this is another ad like the one they rand against McCain where the vote was aganist the bill that contained those things, but a lot of other stuff that was bad.

Kerry needs to get the message out to dispell this thing right away. I saw what it di to McCain!!!!

[Imajika]

1. I just saw this Ad..

..on Hardball.

I gotta say, it is brutal and could be quite damaging to Kerry.

Kerry needs to respond to this quickly. I would be surprised if the Bush campaign didn't start running it everywhere.

It is shades of what was done to Cleland.

Imajika

[AG78]

2. And so far...

they've used the same graphics in both attack ads. The same 3 bars goings across the screen. It's not an accident. They're using Christianity in a hidden message way. The number 3 pops up everywhere, it's the trinity. I'll be waiting for the next attack ad...yeah, that's right, the third attack ad.

[Roaming]

5. Oh for goodness sakes, this is a bit tinfoil-hattish...

[slinkerwink]

3. *sigh*

[Demobrat]

4. He did vote against the 87 billion for the military.

Is that what the ad talks about? What else does it say?

[bearfartinthewoods]

6. voted against ....

body armor for troops...pay raises...i forget what else.

on tweety just now...word...cheney will attack kerry in a speech tomorrow....BIGTME.

the long knives are out people...buckle up.

[knight_of_the_star]

12. So what?

They want to draw out the carving knives, they can.

We can always bust out the howitzer of truth.

[Imajika]

7. Well, what is does...

...is discuss some of the items in that 87 billion which Kerry voted against.

The 87 billion supplemental had items like body armour and pay increases for the military in them.

So the ad singles each item out, I believe 3 times, and says Kerry voted against body armour for the troops, against pay increases for the military, etc.

It is a nasty attack ad, but I fear it will be successful.

Imajika

[Demobrat]

9. Well, since it's not a lie

he will just have to succinctly explain his reasoning. I'm sure he can do that to the satisfaction of our soldiers and their families.

[annagull]

14. the $87 billion passes--still troops w/out body armor

and plates for the humvees. What is Chimp's excuse for that?

[Imajika]

18. There is no excuse..

..but it makes it harder to attack Bush on the issue since Kerry voted against a supplemental that would have provided the body armour.

Kerry has a problem. Kerry voted for a war I suspect he didn't really believe in, then tried to move left and claim he was mostly against the way Bush fought it, then voted against the 87 billion supplemental - probably because he helped him in the primaries but also as a protest against Bush's overall Iraq policy, then moved right and claimed it was fantastic that Saddam was caught and that he supported it all along.

Kerry is going to be dealing with this problem the entire campaign. He thought voting for the war would make him more politically viable as a Presidential candidate - this even when I personally don't believe he thought it was the right thing to do. He remembered his no vote in 90', knew full well that most American's viewed the first Gulf War as a smashing success, and didn't want to risk voting against kicking Saddam around again (especially in a post 9-11 environment).

So now Kerry is stuck. Voted for the war, but mostly argues against it. Supported rebuilding Iraq, yet voted against the 87 billion dollar supplemental.

That is why these kinds of ad's can be so damaging.

Kerry can respond with intelligent points, but is the American public able to digest such nuance? I am not so sure.

Imajika

[cboy4]

8. Why isn't anyone talking about the Bush ad

where the administration paid people to pose as
journalists praising the benefits of the new
Medicare law?!?!

And of course, they used fake firefighters in
the 9/11 ad

FAKE FAKE FAKE for a
SELECTED SELECTED SELECTED president.

It's very fitting, actually.

(I'm in one of those moods tonight!!!!)

edit: Actually, they just discussed this on Hardball

[Demobrat]

10. Using actors in a TV commercial can be rationalized.

Most people won't get too upset about that. I want them caught in a big, fat lie.

[cboy4]

13. Y? Can they not find real journalists or firefighters

to participate?

The answer is you can't if you're ads
are going to be deceptive and unethical.

[Demobrat]

15. Well, sure they probably could.

But it's not that easy to find "real people" who can speak on camera. Actors, on the other hand, are a dime a dozen. And considering that there's nothing illegal, only deceptive and unethical, about it, I don't think they will cease or desist any time soon. Kerry is going to need to pick his battles. It would be nice if Rove gave him some ammo, something he could sink his teeth into, like a big, fat, fib.

[cboy4]

17. As I'm sure you know, fibs are a dime a dozen

in the Bush administration, so I don't
think you'll need to worry about that.
A new one will be exposed soon, by a
REAL JOURNALIST ;-)

[spanone]

11. As Karen Capenter sang "they've only just begun"

[VolcanoJen]

16. Isn't the whole idea aimed at bankrupting Kerry?

I imagine that Rove thinks, we've got this unlimited cash pile, we'll attack, attack, attack, and early. Define the Democratic nominee, before others have the chance to. Kerry will be forced, early, before he's really prepared for it, to defend himself against each of our attacks. Each and every one. Preferably, Kerry will air expensive, blanket swing-state ads to debunk our lies.

Prediction? Kerry out of cash by late May.

I'm a little concerned, and not so sure we should take the bait. Kerry might be better off to play up his free press, being "Joe Cool" and claiming that once again, the administration is trying to change the subject because they have no record to defend.

I know we want an attack dog as our nominee, but I worry we might be playing right into the Rovian hands...

[lancdem]

19. You could be right

It's interesting that the Bush campaign is running these ads so early. What will they have in the fall?

[moondust]

20. Half-truths and lies.

I think I finally understand the meaning of $200 million in campaign contributions. It will buy $200 million worth of mass distribution of half-truths and lies that the subservient media will not challenge.