Explain LIHOP exactly...

[fujiyama]

I know what it means (Let It Happen On Purpose). What exactly does the "on purpose" part entail?

If this entails that the administration didn't do enough to stop the attack I'm with it. I also think they turned a blind eye to enough evidence out there to prevent the attack. I also think they had enough evidence to know an attack, and I'm even willing to guess they knew this TYPE of attack would occur.

I reject MIHOP out of hand. It's more ridiculous than the "moon landing was faked" conspiracy theory. I simply cannot believe there are that many people that would actually be willing to murder thousands of American citizens to further their goals -- even PNAC. The truth would have been out by now, if there was that far ranging a conspiracy.

However, I myself don't know anything about LIHOP. If you have a link that makes some sense, please share it -- I'm not interested in crap links like whatreallyhappened.com or indymedia.com or other such sites. I find them about as credible as newsmax.com and townhall.com .

[DrWeird]

1. Hey, Bush was crazy enough to murder tens of thousands

or Iraqi civilians to further his goals. What's a few thousand bleeding heart liberal New Yorkers to a guy like him.

[fujiyama]

5. That's tens of thousands...

of IRAQI civilians. I wouldn't expect the US to care about foreign civilians dying. That's nothing new.

However, the government actually taking part in the murder of thousands of American citizens, and NOT A SINGLE PERSON willing to expose this, is a bit far fetched IMO.

Now, this isn't to say the US government hasn't done some incredibly horrible things on its own citizens -- the Tuskeegee experiments first come to mind. I just think, if the government were involved in such a crime, it wouldn't be hidden this long.

[REP]

2. I Don't Buy MIHOP

but the government is fully capable of killing Americans to further their agenda ("Downwinders," Vietnam, Kent State, Iraq Parts I & II, etc). I can't buy MIHOP because it would take more skill to pull off than they are capable of.

[Florida_Geek]

3. Same as FDR and Pearl Harbor

FDR needed America to be attacked to get into WWII. And all the evidence points to him knowing that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor and he did nothing to stop them.

Bush wanted a reason to go after Iraq and other countries and 9-11 gave that to him.

[BradCKY]

4. I don't really know about FDR and Pearl Harbor ties

But you certainly aren't saying participating in World War II was a mistake right?

[Kinkistyle]

7. FDR needed something to stir the country into participating.

Lets face it, most people don't like going to war unless they are somehow threatened or have been attacked in some way. 9/11 played that role, so did Pearl Harbor.�@Whether or not the presidents let it happen on purpose is debatable.

[Florida_Geek]

8. No but how we got there should be questioned

just IMHO.

[unblock]

9. remember that some americans actually sided with hitler

there was a significant german-american contingent, plus of course the bush/walker/harriman progenitors, who actually wanted america to enter the war on hitler's side.

scary, isn't it?

even after pearl harbor, fdr fretted that, while war against japan was now easy to declare, war against germany was still going to be a major battle. fortunately, hitler didn't realize this, and hitler declared was on the u.s. the day after the u.s. declared war on japan....


fwiw, i believe that fdr's foreknowledge of a pearl harbor attack was limited at best. remember that any attack on hawaii would have drawn the u.s. into the war, it didn't need to be devastating. besides, i can't see fdr, even wanting war, agreeing to anything that would literally destroy half our navy.


this is not the case with bush. remember that the twin towers had in fact already been attacked (1993), just not brought down. bush needed major fatalities, something dramatic.

[jpgray]

16. The problem with this theory

FDR could have defended Hawaii as best he could with the same results--the Japanese would still have attacked, which was all that would be needed for a declaration of war. The hypothesis that FDR purposely did nothing assumes he wanted as big a military disaster as possible, which doesn't make much sense.

[WoodrowFan]

19. Most Historians reject the "FDR Knew" idea

The FDR Knew idea is a piece of GOP spin from the 1940s. Most historians reject it, especially as most of the Japanese radio traffic that could have predicted the attack wasn't deciphered and translated until 1942....

[never cry wolf]

25. Paging Will Pitt

I believe I read here his grandpa was a military lawyer and defended one of the officers who took the rap for pearl harbor, he may beg to differ. I don't have time right now to search for the original thread.

[mouse7]

45. John Toland didn't reject Pearl Harbor LIHOP.

John Toland won a Pulitzer Prize for "The Rising Sun." John Toland is hardly a whacked-out konspiracy kook...

"Fifty years after that "day of infamy," the attack on Pearl Harbor remains a matter of the hottest controversy. Every few years, a new telling of the story stokes the fire. For example, in 1982, John Toland, a dean of American war historians, wrote in his book Infamy: Pearl Harbor and Its Aftermath (from which the first two anecdotes are taken), "The comedy of errors on the sixth and seventh appears incredible. It only makes sense if it was a charade, and Roosevelt and the inner circle had known about the attack. A massive cover-up followed Pearl Harbor a few days later, according to an officer close to told half a dozen officers, 'this goes to the grave with us."'

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1291c.asp

[mouse7]

32. Carriers ordered out of Pearl Harbor right before the attack

If FDR wanted to try to defend Hawaii from the Pearl Harbor raid, the carriers of the Pacific Fleet would have been on patrol within striking distance of Pearl Harbor.

Pearl Harbor not being defended is not "just another conspiracy theory." Many very serious academics around the country and the world support this and have published works proving it.

[Bucky]

41. Carriers were not thought to be that important prior to Midway

No military or naval theorist in 1941 believed that carriers (rather than battleships) were the most important vessel for naval conflict. This theory would have made more sense had FDR sent his battleships out on maneuvers. This theory only makes sense, actually, if FDR honestly didn't care who won the war, so long as we got involved.

In other words, this theory doesn't make any sense.

[mouse7]

44. Baloney. They knew how important air power was since early 30's

Naval doctrine changed in the early 30's. Go look it up. That's why you had so many carriers around the world built on hulls that were originally started as battleships in the ship yards.

[arcos]

6. I was LIHOP all the way...

and totally rejected MIHOP.

But a few minutes ago I read this http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm and saw this http://www.letsroll911.org/, and now I'm convinced they MIHOP.

I also recommend the complete 911 timeline at http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/index.html. Every single thing in the timeline has sources and links, so you can verify it's authenticity.

[Festivito]

10. It's THOSE bunk links that help confirm LIHOP for me.

Those letsroll911.org links.

They point to a well-funded set of sites made to make 9/11 LIHOPers look outlandish, and to make LIHOP easily shot down by Rush and Hannity. Notions of no plane hitting the Pentagon, explosives in the WTC before the planes hit, and now that the passenger jets had rockets when they hit.

These stories let Rush smarm his "My friends, these people are INSANE!" And, his listeners learn to close their ears when told about LIHOP.

Whoever is funding these sites is showing themselves as scared.

Rush won't mention the put options that can be traced specifically to the airlines involved on 9/11. Nor, the FBI FISA warrant denier who got a nice big government bonus after 9/11. Nor, the binladen flight out before the FBI could interrogate.

The Bush and Condi refusal to testify is made palatable by portraying LIHOPers as NuTs. That's why they won't testify, is what Rush will lead hid minions to think, not that Condi, a National Security Advisor to the president of the United States either forgot that planes could fly into buildings, or lied that she didn't know.

[neverborn]

37. and they endorse LaRouche!!

!

[Indiana Democrat]

11. Kook conspiracy theory.

And it doesn't help our cause.

[BradCKY]

12. I agree

Unfortunately any non-LIHOP or non-MIHOP is a minority view here.

[shanti]

31. uhhh, thanks

a lot for calling many of your fellow DU'ers KOOKS! :grr: with friends like you...

[mouse7]

39. Like KOOKY conspiracy to invent massive stockpiles of WoMD?

It's so insane to charge that a government would generate a conspiracy to create a false arsenal of weapons of mass destruction so that we could invade a sovereign nation.

Yeah, the US would never kidnap the leader of a sovereign nation and stage a coup to take control of a country, either.

Anybody who claims the US would do either is just KOOKS.

You too, David Kay. You too, President Aristeide. You're both KOOKS, too.

[tlewis]

43. Theories vs. Answers

There are many theories about 9/11, some more believable than others, but the theories are not what's so important. It's the questions that lead to the theories -- questions that are not being answered in a satisfactory way.

And there are so many questions on so many aspects of the events of that day. Whether you believe in LIHOP or MIHOP or neither, I think it's clear that Bush and company are guilty of some form of negligence at the very least. One of the jobs of the government (that just about everyone agrees on) is to prevent American citizens from being killed by foreign enemies of the United States. In that, they failed spectacularly and should be held accountable.

Those 3000 or so people who died on 9/11 were murdered and they deserve a real murder investigation. The questions need answers, not theories. So instead of getting wound up about theories, and which ones are better or worse, we should be getting wound up about getting answers to the questions.

Answers that not only make sense, but are also true.

[kaitykaity]

13. Would Randi Rhodes qualify as a credible source?

:eyes:

Sounds like your mind is already closed, JMHO.

[Indiana Democrat]

14. No...Not even close.

She also says that our military already has Osama bin Laden in captivity and has had him since the Tora Bora offensive.

That DISGUSTS ME!

I HATE the Idiot in Chief with a PASSION, but I REFUSE to accept her claim that our military would do such a thing.

[kaitykaity]

15. Unless I've forgotten my basic training, our

military will do whatever it is ORDERED to do by its civilian commanders. If the military does have Osama, it's because that's what Bush ordered them to do.

I would put nothing past Bush. Bush, as the commander in chief, has proven himself to be an amoral creature who will order massacres, coups, etc., etc., for strategic purposes.

Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean the messenger isn't spot right on target.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

17. When the message is dead wrong I will question the messenger.

No evidence whatsoever. None.

A stupid take just to generate controversy.

[kaitykaity]

18. Randi raises legitimate questions.

Why did Bush sit in that class until 9:20, even though
there was an open phone conversation going on with a flight
attendant on a hijacked aircraft?

Why didn't war planes scramble from Andrews a la the Payne
Stewart plane as soon as even one commercial aircraft went off
course that day?

Those two are stinky enough to give Randi Rhodes credibility.
Calling it stupid or crackpot is nonproductive at best.

[Zero Gravitas]

21. why

"Why did Bush sit in that class until 9:20, even though
there was an open phone conversation going on with a flight
attendant on a hijacked aircraft?"

because he's a coward and idiot and had no idea what to do. The flight attendant was having a conversation with the airline control people, not with the White house, I don't see how that is relevant to Bush's initial actions.

"Why didn't war planes scramble from Andrews a la the Payne
Stewart plane as soon as even one commercial aircraft went off
course that day?"

They did. The first planes to investigate Stewart's plane happened to be in the area going to/from training and were diverted to look at the plane and were un-armed. It was not for several hours until an armed plane was tailing the jet "just in case".

[kaitykaity]

23. That's the point.

Bush's situation-room chief was travelling with him that day.
She knew about the flight attendant talking to the FAA, and
she told Andy Card and Bush about it. Bush still went into that
school.

On the second point, why weren't war planes ordered to scramble
the INSTANT the Bush government was aware of the hijacked planes?

Playing the incompetence card completely ignores Bush's motivation
for a large, "Pearl Harbor-like attack" so the neocons could
implement their imperial foreign policy.

Come again?

[skypilot]

27. Pearl Harbor-like attack.

The fact that those PNAC nuts would even put that in writing is proof, to me, of just what kind of sociopaths they are. It seems to me that mentioning a Pearl Harbor-like attack should be done in the context of a discussion about PREVENTING it not USING it. Imagine a man spelling out his goals in life and then saying that achieving those goals is contingent on the death of his parents so that he could collect the insurance or inheritance. The American people should be as taken aback and appalled as that man's parents would be. Our foreign policy should not be contingent on us falling victim to the kinds of attacks that we spend billion of defense dollars a year to prevent.

[mouse7]

35. Why weren't fighter jets defending the Pentagon?

The shock of the attack wears off after 2 WTC buildings in NY are hit. There was PLENTY of time under ANY circumstance to get aircraft up to defend the Pentagon. The 3 targets were not hit simultaneously.

Most discussion about this topic focuses on Air Force fighters. Nobody talks about all the Navy carriers stationed in Norfolk, VA. A carrier group is permanently on station off the coast of Virginia to defend all the Naval assets is Norfolk. That carrier group is on duty, and the aircraft munitions are not under lock and key. They have to be available on a moment's notice to be able to take out the threat of attack submarines being used against US Naval assets in Norfolk.

There is NO scenario in which an airliner can get by the firepower that on-duty carrier task force has off Virginia when that task force has an hour's warning. It's absolutely impossible.

On edit: If you wish to play devil's advocate and claim that carrier task force wasn't there off the Virginia, then how did the White House order a carrier task force to the coast of NYC and have it there the next morning? A carrier task force can't "leave the pier" and be in NYC the next morning. There's too many thi8gs that need to be done to get a carrier underway. Loading food for 5000. Gathering all the sailors from all over the Tidewater area, etc.

[bobthedrummer]

22. Do you believe Seymour Hersh?

Our military, he reports, allowed many terrorists to be evacuated to Kashmir to protect ISI/Pakistan Military Intelligence operatives.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HER206A.html

There are, of course, real conspiracies.

[Zinfandel]

20. 9-11 Timeline...

http://www.911timeline.net/

[CaptainClark23]

24. Suspension of beliefs.

"What exactly does the "on purpose" part entail?"

It entails the simple fact that the Bush administration, under the guidance of the neo-cons, had much more to gain in allowing such an attack to occur than they did in somehow preventing such an attack.

For my money, thats as good as MIHOP.

We've been betrayed. I challenge you to examine ALL the evidence and see if you can still believe otherwise.

I couldn't believe it either, at first. My belief structure was changed by the facts, and not because I sought to find a government complicit in the murder of 1000's of my neighbors. I had no political agenda in researching the events of 9.11. I simply wanted to gain a greater understanding to maybe help me sleep at night.

And now I know we're all being played for fools.

I don't sleep any better, if you were wondering. Only now I know who to blame for it.

P.S. By 'evidence' I refer primarily to the data gathered at cooperativeresearch.org. There are other analyses available, but none so well documented and fact-checked.

[never cry wolf]

26. MIHOP would not have taken very many people

Unless you believe the remote controlled plane/rocket/controlled demolition crap. Really, a dozen or two would be sufficient, maybe less. Hire the former CIA collaborator osama or some other asset, he doesn't have to tell the hijackers the real story. Have NORAD stand down, orders from above is all, obfuscate and sit on the intel. Hell, chimpy may have been out of the loop himself, just a little gift from pappy and a few neo-cons.

I have no idea if the truth will ever be found out, it is at a minimum criminal LIHOP which would have required no fewer players than the MIHOP I described above.

[myopic4141]

34. I do not buy MIHOP.

While Shrubby and his cadre may be callous enough to allow thousands to die in a 11Sep01 attack, they are too tunnel visioned to come up with the idea and they did not need such a dramatic action to achieve going to war with Iraq. Any successful skyjacking would have served the same purpose. All the plans were put into place to take advantage of the first opportunity that presented itself. They knew skyjackings were going to occur and decided to let them play out feeling that the situation could be easily controllable while making the case for going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. The ramming of buildings turned out to be icing on the cake as far as they were concerned because it made their position on what to do stronger. Denying the skyjackings would have been harder to do; but, not having knowledge of what the skyjackers were going to use their prizes for presented a ready made denial because it was true. The Administration did not conceive of the building ramming because they could not conceive of it; therefore, they used the argument of not knowing the aircraft were to be used as missiles hoping that it would be misconstrued into not knowing of the skyjackings. One cannot know of the skyjackings and know of the using them of missiles whereas one can know of the skyjackings and still not know of using them as missiles. Their argument for lack of knowledge never made sense from its inception; but, the American people bought it by misconstruing the association. The denial structure was one presented by an Administration that prides itself on word choice which makes the case even more damning for them. This is why I support LIHOP over MIHOP.

[never cry wolf]

36. You may be correct

I am not 100% MIHOP myself, but was just trying to rebut that it would take alot of people in on it. Your explanation has also been posited by MIHOPers saying all that was arranged for were the hijackings and that they were surprised with the use of the jets as missiles, which is why they all hid for hours, to get their stories straight.

In either case, it is a crime of the most serious order. The worst crime ever inflicted on this nation.

[myopic4141]

38. It is worse than a crime on a nation.

It is a crime against humanity. The Iraq war which came about because of 11Sep01 changed everything; but, not the way most think. There was no standard for starting a preemptive war prior to 11Sep01 because preemptive war was unacceptable. People are not arrested before committing any crime because there is uncertainty as to whether or not the person will actually commit the crime. The same could be said of preemptive war. The intelligence prior to an event by a being that controls their own destiny is never certain enough to determine if the event will actually occur no matter how much evidence is gathered. That is why preemptive war was unacceptable. Shrubby lied to start the war with Iraq using the 11Sep01 event to make his case of increased danger. By, doing so, Shrubby did two things, namely: 1) Set the standard for entering into a preemptive war and 2) Abdicated moral authority to tell others they cannot use the standard for entering in a preemptive war.

[LunaC]

28. THIS - in detail - is what it is.....

George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:

• There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.


• The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......

Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm

Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/01112000160846.asp


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election
http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:

• Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense


• Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense


• Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council


• John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity


• Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board


• Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State


• John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament


• Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition

An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.

"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary and PNAC-member Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.

• He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.


• PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.


• PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community who reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond13.html
http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception

In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.

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[rbnyc]

29. Awesome Work. Thanks. (nt)

[kaitykaity]

30. Great post.

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[bobthedrummer]

33. Thank you, citizen LunaC!

I've bookmarked this one.
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[TNOE]

40. Bush Knew

Too many dedicated patriotic Americans have searched for the truth for too long - and too much evidence supports that fact. It is MIHOP - he (they) knew, he (they) let it happen on purpose - basically it was a military operation - Bush* was NOT the brains behind it. There's hundreds of more sites and threads with more info - but if you read this - I think you'll get the idea. Trust me - in a court of law - HE IS GUILTY BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

http://www.septembereleventh.org/

WHAT DID HE KNOW & WHEN DID HE KNOW IT – RAMSEY CLARK
http://www.literalpolitics.com/RamseyRants/RamseyArticles/whatdidhe.htm

http://www.911forthetruth.com/

http://911skeptics.blogspot.com/
Nico's blog - great way to get a quick catch-up on the most recent developments

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/

FAILURE OF FLLIGHTS
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayairdefense.html

http://www.pi911.com/

INVESTIGATION FALLING APART
http://www.rense.com/general46/911V.HTM

CONFIRMATION OF 9/11 GAME
http://new.globalfreepress.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/05/2024242

CONDI DOESN’T WANT TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,565974,00.html

EX NAVY SECRETARY SKEPTICAL

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/7546164.htm

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF EXPLOSIONS
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

INSURANCE SCAM

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/WTC312A.html

TERRORISM CLAUSE IN WTC

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200109/msg00162.html
SEPTEMBER 10

Newseek journalists Evan Thomas and Mark Hosenball reported on Septemberm24, 2001 that a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for September 11, 2001, apparently because of security concerns. Newsweek removed the story from the internet but you can read the transcript at the url below. Here is the relevant excerpt....
"On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." (See yellow highlighted section)
http://www.freepressinternational.com/sept10.html
SEPTEMBER 10 – THE WAR ON WASTE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml


MARVIN BUSH
http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/hj05.html

STOCK OPTION TRADING
http://www.rense.com/general46/911.html
What DID HE KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT
http://www.literalpolitics.com/RamseyRants/RamseyArticles/whatdidhe.htm
9/11: Bush Knew - BuzzFlash Perspectives
BuzzFlash Perspectives. 9/11: Bush Knew. PERSPECTIVES HOME. A collection ... html.Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes May 20, 2002. "George ...
www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html


Bush Knew!
... Lieutenant Colonel Butler, who wrote in a letter to the editor of the Monterey County Herald charging that "Bush knew about the impending attacks," was vice ...
www.sumeria.net/politics/bushknew/

What Bush knew, when.
By Daniel Schorr. WASHINGTON – "What did the president know and when did he know it?" Republican Howard Baker was raising that question ...
www.csmonitor.com/2003/0620/p11s01-cods.html

Bush Knew and Did Nothing -- Killing Time at Booker Elementary on ...
911 Conspiracy Bush Knew and Did Nothing.
www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Bush/Booker/

The Observer ... Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes Terrorism crisis - Observer special Jason Burke and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday May 19, 2002 The Observer ...
www.observer.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,8224,718311,00.html

What George W. Bush Knew Before The 911 attacks
... Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America . He did ... What Bush Knew Before Sept.11
www.angelfire.com/linux/pearly/htmls/bush-911.html

Radio Left - We ARE the Anti-Rush. Now in our third year of ...
... Postcards Send Your Friends a Postcard from RadioLeft. Topics > Bush Knew Bush knew about September 11 well in advance. He had warnings from around the world. ...
www.radioleft.com/topics.php?op=viewtopic&topic=23

NewsMax.com: Inside Cover Story
... Sunday, Dec. 7, 2003 1:05 pm EST Dean Defends Theory That Bush Knew of 9/11 Plot. Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean ...
www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/7/133519.shtml


Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)
... Control Attempt , Tom Flocco, 14 July. Bush Knew: Conspiracy of Silence, Ian Woods, 4 July. The ISI-Bush Connection: Manipulation ...
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG204A.html


News From Babylon ... Bush Knew : 9/11 Timeline Posted on Tuesday, September 10 @ 16:59:49 EDT by JohnBrown Submitted by sv3n. ... Bush Knew Shockwave Presentation. ...
www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=2226

ShelbyCountyLiberalPress.org ® - Bush Knew
... in a few cases to make a quick profit from attacks they knew were going to ... The explanations offered by the Bush Administration over the last 48 hours will not ...
www.shelbycountyliberalpress.org/bush_knew.htm

Bush Knew...
Rense.com. Bush Knew - Incompetence, Negligence Or Treason? From Craig
M. Uhl, MD [e-mail] 5-16-2 Dear Jeff, Now that it has ...
www.rense.com/general25/nknew.htm

Reality Check - Bush Knew!
Rense.com. Reality Check - Bush Knew! By Joseph Ehrlich [e-mail] SenderBerl & Sons 12-1-2 There is a conflict between two perceptions of reality. ...
www.rense.com/general32/knew.htm

The Gamer's Nook: BUSH KNEW
... June 02, 2003. BUSH KNEW ... and did nothing. This isn't pleasant to watch, with still images from the collapse of the WTC and people ...
www.gamersnook.com/blog/archives/001349.html

911 Attacks - George W. Bush KNEW. pearly gates.
www.geocities.com/pearly9000/htmls/bush-knew.html

Media Research Center CyberAlert -- 05/16/2002 -- Bush "Knew" of ...
... the President to an airliner attack,” hours later CNN’s Judy Woodruff turned it into a definitive statement about how “President Bush knew that al Qaeda ...
www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20020516.asp

Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes. - 5/18/02] George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks ...
www.refuseandresist.org/newwar/051902bushknew.html

Join the Axis of Peace. End the War of Terror
The Bush Knew Index. ... Leaking the 9/11 Charade (Hoffman Wre). Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes (The Observer) May 19. ...
www.lumpen.com/fatherland/bushknew.html

Bush Knew index Archives
Bush Knew Article Archive. Prepared by Lumpen Patriot Committee and
the Office of Fatherland Defense. Email us critical texts, tips ...
www.lumpen.com/fatherland/x.html

AttackOnAmerica.net - Bush Knew and Did Nothing Flash
www.attackonamerica.net/bush911flash.htm

Bush Knew - resources
BUSH KNEW resources & information. 09/11/03: Why Don't We Have Answers
to These 9/11 Questions? ÊÊby William Bunch ÊÊThe Philadelphia ...
www.practicalradical.com/bushknew.html

The 911 Report: Bush Knew About the Planes
... Bluntly stated, either the Bush White House knew about the potential of terrorists flying airplanes into skyscrapers (notwithstanding their claims to the ...
www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/DeanOn911Report.html

Bush Knew Iraq Info Was False.
WASHINGTON, July 10, 2003, Published by CBS. Senior administration officials tell CBS News the President ...
www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/CBS-Bush%20Knew%20.html

Bulatlat.com
... Powered by groups.yahoo.com. Bush Knew Of Hijack Threat. CBS News.com. WASHINGTON,May 15, 2002. Back to Alternative Reader Index. In the weeks before the Sept. ...
www.bulatlat.com/news/2-16/2-16-readerCBS.html

BUSH KNEW OF THE THREAT BEFORE 9-11 - by H. Millard (c) 2002
I get a piece of the airline futures... BUSH KNEW OF THE THREAT BEFORE
9-11, AND HE KNOWS ABOUT A NEW THREAT NOW! by H. Millard (c) 2002. ...
www.newnation.org/Millard/Millard-Bush-Knew.html

THE BLACKLISTED JOURNALIST,THE TERRORISTS FLEW AND BUSH KNEW By ...
SECTION TEN. sm COLUMN NINETY, MAY 1, 2003 (Copyright © 2003 The Blacklisted Journalist). THE TERRORISTS FLEW AND BUSH KNEW. truthout ...
www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column90i.html

Bush knew Harken was in trouble before he sold shares. By Mike Allen,
in Washington July 22 2002. George Bush was deluged with non ...
www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/21/1026898945582.html

Dean Defends Theory That Bush Knew of 9/11 Plot Dean Defends Theory That Bush Knew of 9/11 Plot. ... Dean Defends Theory That Bush Knew of 9/11 Plot. ...
www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg14969.html

The Village Voice: Nation: Mondo Washington: Bush's 9-11 Secrets ...
... But the questioning needs to focus on what Bush knew or didn't know. And what he did or didn't do in response to what his intelligence advisers told him. ...
www.villagevoice.com/issues/0332/mondo4.php


Bush Knew Something
... BUSH KNEW! NEWLY UNEARTHED INAUG SPEECH REVEALS BUSH TOTALLY KNEW.
Reported by Josh di Donato The Rag has recently found the top ...
www.therag.com/Issue8/WTP/BushKnew.htm

USATODAY.com - Some victims irate to learn Bush knew of threat
Some victims irate to learn Bush knew of threat NEW YORK (AP) — While some relatives of Sept. ... Some victims irate to learn Bush knew of threat. ...
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/17/families.htm


One Man's Vote: "Bush knew"
... September 09, 2003. "Bush knew". Same idiotic shit, different stupid day. Sept 11 theorists to meet in Berlin 5 September 2003. BERLIN ...
www.onemansvote.com/blog/archives/000842.html
Scoop Link: CBS - What Bush Knew Before Sept. 11 Friday, 17 May 2002, 11:32 am Article: The Scoop Editor. ... *****. What Bush Knew Before Sept. 11. ...
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0205/S00088.htm

The Truth Seeker - Bush Knew, Now the World Knows
Printer friendly version, Posted 26/01/2003, 11 attacks… George W. Bush knew. ...
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=231

Lying Media Bastards: Bush Knew Something. Kinda.
... May 16, 2002. Bush Knew Something. Kinda. ... Just look at that headline: "White House Admits: Bush Knew of Hijacking Threat Before Sept 11". They knew something! ...
www.straybulletins.com/LMB/weblog/archive/000315.html

Bush Knew? How? by Radfringe - Democratic Underground
... etc. Bush Knew? How? September 21, 2002 By Radfringe. ... After all, this is the CEO President and he delegates, Bush only knew what he was told. ...
www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/09/21_knew.html

Doug's Dynamic Drivel: Bush Knew
... June 02, 2003. Bush Knew Interesting Flash presentation on Bush's actions on 9/11. Certainly raises a few questions - hope the Dems make use of this in 2004. ...
www.thealders.net/blogs/archive/001262.html

Loebrich.org. Wednesday, May 15, 2002 Bush Knew Of Hijack Threat. ... Bush Knew Of Hijack Threat. In the weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks ...
www.loebrich.org/2002/05/15/bush_knew_of_hijack_threat.html

"Maybe Bush knew what he was doing in the mid-east, after all"
... In fact, it suggests that Bush knew what he was doing all along, and that things worked out, more or less, about like he planned. ...
www.chronwatch.com/editorial/2002-04-18.asp


CONNECT THE DOTS: BUSH KNEW. WHY THE US KNEW BIN LADEN'S OPERATIVES WERE GOING TO HIT US BUILDINGS WITH AIRLINERS AS WEAPONS, AND WHY CIA DIRECTOR GEORGE TENET ...
www.usasurvival.org/ck6902.shtml

The Observer ... Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes Terrorism crisis - Observer special Jason Burke and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday May 19, 2002 The Observer ...
www.observer.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,8224,718311,00.html

JOHN BUCHANAN

http://www.nypress.com/17/2/news&columns/zen.cfm

HART RUDMAN REPORT
http://www.emergency.com/2001/21stcentury_rpt.htm


Foreign_Intelligence_Warnings
by Paul Thompson.


WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

1999 (C): MI6, the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs."

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 (C): Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6.

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/foreignwarnings.html

BUSH SR MET WITH BIN LADEN ON 9/11

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/041203metwithbinladen.html
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html


PRIOR WTC FLIGHTS
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_xymphora_archive.html#107284533382009522

BUSH FAMILY MACHINISMS
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1546689.php

[goforit]

42. here,here!!!........The plan was layed in stone.

But just to give an analogy to help lihopers........

100s of thousands of people still believed the world was
flat 100s of years after Columbus sailed the oceans.

Denial, rather than facing hard core evidence, is a
perfectly normal psychological response, and there is nothing
that can convince them otherwise.