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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:01 PM
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Poll question: Is Aznar's party toast in today's election?
Edited on Sat Mar-13-04 11:07 PM by JCMach1
Do shrub's buds/allies go down to defeat in Spain now that it 'APPEARS' al Quaeda may have had something to do with the Madrid bombing?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:02 PM
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1. Aznar isn't on the ballot.
But I think the election will be close. I wonder what the margins were pre-bombing.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:04 PM
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3. His party is though!
:bounce:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:05 PM
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6. As I recall from other posts...
... the Popular Party was about 5 points ahead in the polls immediately prior to the bombing, enough to rule without forming a coalition. I guess we won't know if that remains true until the tally Sunday night and Monday morning.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:03 PM
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2. I believe its Aznar's handpicked successor who is up for election
My guess and vote is that he is toast. I was listening to the BBC broadcasts of the protests today. The one chant that stuck in my mind was "Your War, Our Dead".

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:05 PM
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5. sorry, too early in the morning here!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:04 PM
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4. I am expecting that the Conservatives will hold a narrow plurality.
The Socialists will come in a close second but the evidence points to no one getting a majority of the votes or seats in Parliament.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:07 PM
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7. Wild-card: Spain uses touchscreen voting machines...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3169706.stm

They have also been used in a number of other countries including the United Kingdom, Spain, India, Australia and
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:38 PM
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10. I understand it's paper ballots.
Junkdrawer quotes:
They have also been used in a number of other countries including the United Kingdom, Spain, India, Australia and
I don't know where the article got this information. I understand plain, uncomplicated paper ballots are used (no machines).
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:52 PM
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11. More info here - ES&S Touchscreen systems...
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Lefergus70 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:40 AM
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12. Spain uses paper ballots
My wife has been chosen to form part of an election committee at our voting place here in Madrid, and they will have to count all the envelopes when the polls close.

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:32 AM
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15. not true...
if you see the TV shots, you'll see Spanish people voting with a ballot.

That article is not talking about touchscreen voting, but electronic voting. Not all electronic voting machines in the world are developed by US companies.

It is not very accurate either, because my country (Costa Rica) is included in that list, and it was only used in a handful of precincts for local elections, as an evaluation program. And no, they were not made by Diebold, and were not touchscreens.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:25 PM
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8. I don't know, but I hope so
Aznar should be punished for helping to enable Bush and PNAC in Iraq.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:32 PM
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9. Chimpy has the blood
of 200 spaniards dripping from his hands.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:37 AM
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16. 55000 DEAD Iraqis too
plus those 562 US soldiers
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:34 AM
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13. Jeez, I dunno. Do they have
Diebold????

Could make things interesting.....
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:10 AM
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14. Morning kick
:kick:
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:21 AM
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17. Too close to call
As I said in a LBN post, it is now clear that PP's tactic
was to stirr up this confusion in order to cash in on a highly
emotionaly charged vote in Sunday so that they wouldn't be held
accountable for their bankrupt policy of being "tough on terrorism".

How this will play out now is not yet clear. I have a hunch that, at
least in the Basque country, the PP could be in trouble for having
scapegoated ETA blatantly for political gains. In Catalunya it
could be the same thing. However in Castilla and other regions PP's
sordid propaganda stunt, although exposed, could still benefit the
goverment.

I just hope that a majority of people realize that the government played them for
fools and give them them the punishment they deserve (unfortunately
this maybe expecting too much, due to the current political climate
in Spain).
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