OMG- Read this scary op-ed in yahoo news. Rank it- OMG!!!!!!!!

[Room101]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030709/7/4mj9k.html
Rank it !!!!!!!!!!!

<snip>
Will George W. Bush put the kibosh on elections in the United States next year?

Frightened by Bush's rapidly accruing personal power and the Democrats' inability and/or unwillingness to stand up to him, panicked lefties worry that he might use the "war on terrorism" as an excuse to declare a state of emergency, suspend civil liberties and jail political opponents.

<snip>
By any objective standard he has already gone way too far, but for many it would take the cancellation or delay of the elections to confirm that we are trading in our wounded democracy for a fascist state.

[Randi_Listener]

1. No.

As simple-minded and contemptable as this administration is, I don't see them declaring martial law and suspending elections next year. That's a little tin-foil-hat-esque.

[greyl]

6. No what?

Tin-foil-hat where?
If you read the article you'd have seen this:
"Bush may be the kind of guy who sees 99 percent odds as 2 percent short of a sure thing, but I bet he'll look at his $200 million campaign war chest and decide to let the people decide. He'll surely want to win legitimately in 2004--albeit for the first time."

[Room101]

7. I have my Tin Foil on, I gave it a OMG because its on yahoo news

Which is somewhat main stream...
DRIP...DRIP People are speaking out more and more everyday.

[kysrsoze]

16. I agree. Far-fetched, plus people wouldn't stand for it.

This would be SO obvious, folks. How long can you keep martial law and suspend elections? The country would most likely end up in utter chaos, resulting breakdown of society - perhaps a new civil war. Guess who would eventually be drug through the streets and kicked in the head like Mussolini?

It's not as if the military would actually support them anyway. They're already completely pissed off. I think they will eventually be run out of town, jailed or utterly defeated if they last until the election. I think Ted Rall needs to have himself a couple of martinis and relas.

[renegade000]

27. seriously...i mean as much as the average schmoe adores bush...

they wouldn't stand for the elimination of democratic society in america, even under the guise of ephemeral measures for national security.

i could imagine acouple different scenarios:

a) everyone is too shocked and confused by the whole matter to take action...and we sucumb to the new autocracy.

b) mass balkanization of the united states, many factions:
-bush government, supporting local governments, bush supporters
-elements of the federal government opposed to bush,
-the military
-anti-government right-wing
-anti-government left-wing
-bush opposition in tune with local governments opposed to bush's rule...

oh yeah....and whoever decides to liberate us...heh

c) a united front against the new regime

hopefully, if it ever happens (which isn't gonna happen....) situation c will occur.

[LibertyorDeath]

2. Thanx, gave it a 5...

The most interesting thing about this story is that it's on Yahoo.

Something is up there are an unusual amount of Very Negative stories
about the bush cabal in the mainstream news even the NYT is in on
the action, are they about to eat their own?

[inthecorneroverhere]

15. keep this in sight

Very interesting to see this on Yahoo.

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. I wish I agreed with his conclusion

I think elections next year are possible, I wouldn't go so far as to say likely, and I wish I agreed with this guy that the public wouldn't stand for it.

I know there would be a small but very vocal minority who would express disagreement, but the majority of the affluent voting class would shoot their first born in the front yard if the regime said it was the patriotic thing to do.

And whether there are elections or not doesn't affect the non-voting poor minority.

[berry]

4. Ted Rall is always worth reading--so thanks!

But if you read to the end, you see that he thinks probably Bush* thinks he will win and so will go ahead with elections. He doesn't mention black box voting--maybe we should mention it to him....

And I did learn something new--I hadn't known that having a European parent entitled one to a passport. I knew about Ireland, but didn't know it was comprehensive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Ah this is what it takes for things NOT to happen

Folks there will be elections, but we might see the boy king absent from the ballot, or so politically damaged....

[AlienGirl]

8. He wouldn't dare...

Nor would he have to--he won't tip his hand that much.

I predict he will start another war, perhaps aided by a new terrorist threat, and there will be an implication that anyone who disagrees with him is "anti-American"--including his opponent.

Maybe I'm tinfoil-hatting here, but I live with people whose area of study is Nazi Germany. *They* have made plans for escaping to safety. When people who study fascism to the point of getting primary-source documents and working with notable historians on the topic are starting to worry, I think there may be cause for concern...

Tucker

[imax2268]

9. doubt it...

:tinfoilhat:

[Mirakul7]

10. They Will If They Are Losing

This is something that several of my friends and I have been discussing for the past several months. A lot of us will not be surprised to see the 2004 elections postponed. This is the "New America."

Cheney and Rumsfeld have been in government administration for the past 30 years or so. They have studied the strengths and weaknesses of our government system as well as the strenths and weaknesses of dictatorships. This is Cheney and Rumsfeld's War and it is THEIR America. It does not belong to the people any longer.

Bush really doesn't count. They will use him as long as he is good for what they want but if necessary, they will get rid of him too. They can put anyone they want in the top position becuase they are running things from backstage.

HAIL, HALIBURTON !

[iangb]

11. Hardly 'OMG!!!!' material.....

Of course Bush (or more precisely those who rely on his Presidency to keep their hands on the levers) would pull a stunt like that to retain power.

These cranks have already done the 'OMG!!!' stuff....it's a bit naive to expect anything other than the unthinkable from them now.

[dbt]

12. Hmmm. A regime that would steal an election,

That would sit on its hands when it knew that the 9/11 attacks were coming,

That would lie Congress into approving a war for oil,

That would send too few troops into Iraq to actually accomplish the mission,

And we don't think they'd declare martial law and cancel the 2004 election?

We're fooling no one but ourselves.

:freak:
dbt

[iangb]

13. Before this sinks completely..

....I'd like to add something.

In the event of a postponement/cancellation of the election....which would likely be sold as 'protecting our democracy'...which of your august institutions do you expect to save you?

The Congress?

The Supreme Court?

The Pentagon?

Who's working on contingency planning for this possibility?

[Eloriel]

14. None of the above -- altho

with the recent quite vocal dissent in the ranks among the CIA and even the Pentagon, which has absolutely astounded me, I do hold out the hope they might take matters into their own hands in such an eventuality.

You're right, though. We ought to be doing some contingency planning.

Eloriel

[bitchkitty]

18. When Milosevic

tried to steal an election, the people turned his ass out. I wish I was confident that the average American has the will to turn his ass out if it comes to that.

[monchie]

29. And how did the people know Slobo was stealing the election?

The exit polls showed he lost, and he stopped the vote counting.

Since we no longer have exit polls we can trust, how would people become aware that the election was being stolen?

[Dhalgren]

19. But we sure need a better plan than

just cut and run! Where are we gonna go? Nobody would accept the Jews in the '30s, why would they accept us, now?I hope you are right about the CIA and the Pentagon, there have to be some real patriots left in those organizations. If the elections are cancelled, there will be blood in the streets, count on it.

[Tinoire]

20. Frankly, I'm with you.

whether or not the 2004 elections actually take place as scheduled is the ultimate test for American democracy. At Guantánamo Bay the United States is converting a concentration camp into a death camp where inmates will be executed without due process or legal representation. Never before in history has a U.S. president contemplated the denaturalization of native-born citizens-thus far even people executed for treason have died as Americans--but Bush has drafted legislation that would allow him to strip anyone he calls an "enemy combatant" of their citizenship and have them deported. By any objective standard he has already gone way too far, but for many it would take the cancellation or delay of the elections to confirm that we are trading in our wounded democracy for a fascist state.

The German intellectuals, Liberals and Jews didn't see the horror coming either.

*****

You don't know me from the wind
You never will, you never did
I'm the little Jew
Who wrote the Bible
I've seen nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
But love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
To say it clear, to say it cold
It's over, it ain't going
Any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
You feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future
It is murder

Leonard Cohen - The Future

[SayitAintSo]

17. THIS article being in mainstream news IS ASTOUNDING at this point

I read it and couldn't beleive it. It ranks an OMG to me with the tenor of the major media having been such Bush lackeys for so long. Amazing.

[jab105]

21. electronic voting.....

with no paper trail, who needs to worry about elections....

[Tinoire]

22. Bingo. Well put! n/t

[DaneUSA]

23. We need to...

urge our senators and representatives to reverse the Patriot act because of a lot of it's unconstitional content.

[Tinoire]

24. The Message Board at the end is even more interesting

Makes a Liberal, pinko, pinko DU-er feel RIGHT at home!

For example:

It Is Time for the Sheeple to Wake Up
by: shawn1636 07/09/03 08:35 pm
Msg: 220 of 230
3 recommendations

Rall's article is the best I've read, and for those awake, a simple reminder of what they already know is not only possible, but probable.

Bush does not want people to wake up and smell the toxic coffee, as it were. So he will continue to hope that people care more about his phony war on terror; he will continue to forestall potentially damaging investigations into his obvious complicity in 9/11; he will continue to strip away our liberties, and, most importantly, he will continue to frighten the sheeple. For that reason, it is not at all out of bounds to believe he and his Imperial henchmen will allow another terrorist incident on American soil before the general election, so he CAN suspend elections and impose Patriot Act II on this country. To think otherwise is to be wearing rose-colored glasses.

Bush is no better than Hitler. He kills without remorse, he lies, and he uses fear to beat down a pathetic, fellating press to print his garbage without question or analysis.

It is time to impeach this criminal, and all those in cahoots with him; and to reclaim this country before it is too late.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucruauthoritariansgonewild&sid=37447170&mid=220

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Re: Wake-up
by: freeq_ewe (32/F/outstanding_in_my_field) 07/09/03 05:39 pm
Msg: 201 of 231
5 recommendations

<<Today many people seem to be willing to give up freedoms for some kind of safety. How far are we going to continue down this path before people wake-up and start questioning our gov't? One infringement on one person's rights is one too many.>>

Amen. Biggest worry of the framers was a runaway rogue central government. Americans have had it so good, for so long, that they are virtually brain dead and blind to the very real threat of unbridled political power. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. True then, true now.

Through TV/Radio advertising and institutionalized consumerism, we have been lied to and mislead for so long, the average American can't seem to distinguish the truth from fiction created by the corporate media. Now they have sold us a foolish war, and a foolish President. But we are the biggest fools, if we let the American dream die. We are not animals, we can aspire to more. Wake up, sheep! You're about to get fleeced.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucruauthoritariansgonewild&sid=37447170&mid=201

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Remove The Liar From The White House
by: fightforjustice4653 (62/M/New York, NY) 07/09/03 07:16 pm
Msg: 216 of 230
10 recommendations

US Constitution, Article II, Section 4 :
"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

If lying to the American people about WMD as a smokescreen to wage a first-strike war against Iraq isn't a high crime, what is?

Thousands are dead, Iraq is in shambles, anti-American sentiment in the Arab world is rampant, and let us not forget about the failed Afghanistan mission, where life has returned to its Talibanesque glory.

Face it - Bush is a liar and warmonger, and the innocent blood of thousands of people are on his scheming, unscrupulous hands.

Impeachment and removal from office will help America save face to the world. Bush and his cronies Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Cheney have hoodwinked and deceived the American people. Destroyed our standing in the world. Ripped our Constitution to shreds. All while playing the role of "honorable leaders". Absolutely disgusting.

The next news flash I want to hear is the Senate convening to begin the impeachment process against these crooks in the the White House.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucruauthoritariansgonewild&sid=37447170&mid=216

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A suggestion for Bush
by: not_a_punk2001 (27/M/Wichita) 07/09/03 08:31 am
Msg: 46 of 232
7 recommendations

I have the solution to this whole terrorism thing that's been nagging at you. First, pick an Arab/Islamic country (not one with too much oil mind you - you're going to need that stuff later). Second, take a bunch of those extra nukes you were saving for a rainy day and blast the hell out this chosen country. Now don't hold back any - just level the place completely. Scorched Earth policy for the new century. For added effect you can try going all biblical (I know how you like that sort of thing) and salt the ground. But if you really want to go for that "I'm-a-American-President-from-Texas-What-the-Hell-do-you-backwards-heathens-think-you're-doing-defying-me"
approach I'd recommend filling up a couple squadrons of B-52's full of dead pigs and carpet bomb them. Now simply go on TV and say "yee-haw! Who want's some now?" All that is left is to sit back and relax as peace blossoms around the world as it has become clear to everyone around the world: "You don't mess with the US!"
Of course you could also just stop being a prick to everyone and cut it out with all the shady shit around the world, but where's the fun in that?
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucruauthoritariansgonewild&sid=37447170&mid=46&thr=46&cur=46&dir=d

[Tinoire]

26. And even talking about the rigged electronic voting machines! Yippee!!

Re: A suggestion for Bush
by: notocomputerizedvotingmachines 07/10/03 12:13 am
Msg: 231 of 232

I'm sorry.
You're mistaken.
There have been a lot of irregularities with computerized voting machines.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4031.htm

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2003/february5/dillsr-25.html

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/greatest-story.htm

I have 19 more links to articles exposing what's going on behind the scenes with computer voting machines that I can post. But you can start with these. Our entire democratic process is in dire straits.

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucruauthoritariansgonewild&sid=37447170&mid=231

I'm going to go post Bev's links!

[LuminousX]

25. The Only Insurance

Against this is to let all official know that it will not be tolerated.

[Jeebo]

28. What if there IS an election . . .

. . . and the American electorate tosses the Usurper and his gang of warmongers and robber barons out? Will he give up power? Remember Milosevic? Remember the military junta in Burma that would not recognize Aung San Suu Kyi's party's election victory?

Ron