Black Republicans Disgust Me

[CatWoman]

I heard this woman on CSpan this morning.

She bragged about how she was a delegate in Georgia, and now will work to re-Select * now that she lives in Wisconsin.

She has five children -- two of them are grown and live in Atlanta. The other three are ages four and below.

Which really, really puzzles me -- how can someone with very young children support * and his big bang busting budget(s)? Does she not know that it will be HER children making up this debt?

Also, she had previously considered herself as "liberal", and was against conservative racists who wanted to "turn the clock" back on black progress. So now she supports those very same conservative racists :shrug:

For some reason she had to let the interviewer know that she is an Army officer's wife :eyes: OK -- now I see where her credibility is rooted. Or maybe she didn't morph into a Republican until after she married this officer.

http://www.c-span.org/c-span25/stories.asp?code=beck

[dennis4868]

1. I heard that....

on C-SPAN radio this morning....it is funny how she supports the very same people who are holding back economic fairness and rights to all people. I think blacks that are republicans have some serious issues and thankfully there are very few of them.

[Liberal Veteran]

2. I feel the same way about gay republicans.

I mean, how many times does the republican party have to screw you over before you get the message?

[LDS Jock]

75. Me too

I'm still floored any time I hear of a gay man or woman supporting a republican at any level.

[KG]

3. white republican disgust me, also.

some people! :eyes:

[Misinformed01]

32. all Republicans disgust me

But, I also understand the premise of this post. It's the same feeling of disbelief I feel when I read the Log Cabin Republican crap.

What universe is this?

[tom_paine]

70. They only began to disgust me after licking Totalitarian Boots

When they were an actual political party, I sometimes agreed with them...more often than not I disagreed.

But they are nothing now but a vehicle for Totalitarian Monsters.

Sure, I wish moderate Republicans would wrest control of their Party back from the Busheviks, but the likelihood of that happening is nil.

Like the denizens of The Matrix in the movie. It doesn't matter WHY they lick the Imperial Boots, if they do so they are the enemy of Liberty and of America (the Old Republic we grew up in, that is).

[LDS Jock]

76. lol :D nt

[glarius]

4. You mean you don't hang on every word uttered by Armstrong Williams?

Every time I see him on CNN praising George Bush to high heavens, I want to puke!...He can't be that blind to what Bush stands for!

[bryant69]

5. Hmmmm

Some questions.

Are Hispanics allowed to be Republicans? What about Asians? Or is it just Blacks who have a duty to be Democrats?

What exactly is wrong with her mentioning that she is an Army Officer's Wife?

You are comfortable with White Republicans (i.e. they don't disgust you)?

Just trying to understand

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[CatWoman]

8. anyone is allowed to be a Republican

it's not one's DUTY to be a Dem -- I'm looking at common sense here.

Why support a party that has nothing, zilch, nada interest in supporting you?

About her being an army officer's wife: The interviewer asked her a question, I think about where she lived. She came back telling saying that Maj. so-and-so, who is my husband, is a big man around here. Or words to that effect.

That's always bothered me -- having to deal with so many officer's wives who wore their husbands ranks.

White Republicans don't disgust me as much as Black Republicans. The base of the republican party is comprised of hateful bigots. Not a place I'd think a black person would enjoy hanging around.

[bryant69]

18. Well, I know a lot of Republicans

And while they are wrong on pretty much every issue we debate, I haven't found them to be hateful bigots.

Bryant
Check it out -- http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[CatWoman]

31. explain the "southern strategy"

[bryant69]

61. I'm not saying there are no racist Republicans

I'm saying that calling them hatful bigots is more or less exactly as fair as them calling us naive socialists. That is to say, yeah there are racists over there; we know this. But they aren't all racist or even majority racist.

What they are is against the workers of America against the working poor, the lower middle class.

[belle]

24. It's just an extra level of cluelessness.

These days, anyway. Yeah, one can be black and conservative, or gay and conservative, or poor and white and conservative about certain things. The Republican party in its current incarnation is not conservative; it is fascist. It's sort of like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, as far as I'm concerned.

[SoCalDem]

6. Probaby after she married him.. Her kids are 22,20

and her "new batch" is 4, 2 & 7 months... He probably is a gung-ho military guy, since he's a major, so she "changed" her views..

Shame on her for letting "BrianLamb" define her.. Who is HE to decide what people are.. Their whole "line system" stinks.. You can be a democrat and be personally against abortion rights ...just as you could be a republican and be FOR abortion rights..

and the For Bush and against Bush sucks too, because there are lots of republican who are against Bush, so when they call in on the against line, they are "assumed to be democrats..

Their phones should be entirely random.. They could even clear the lines every 5 minutes, so that people could not call in and clog all the lines..

The format of rotating for and against sets things up as automatically 50/50.. where have we heard that before :eyes:

They are afraid to admit that probably 75 % of the people who would bother to call in would be against Bush, and that would rock their little world...


They just need more lines and ..katie bar the door :)

She also had a misspelled word in her essay.. I would have certainly made sure everything was perfect before I sent an essay in..

[Kamika]

27. cmon..

I'm sure she can think for herself..

Don't Assume she is a Dem and just "influenced" just because she's black

[SoCalDem]

28. That's not what I said

I was amused that she would let BRIAN LAMB influence her :)

[Kamika]

33. okay

dats cool

[SoCalDem]

29. That's not what I said

I was amused that she would let BRIAN LAMB influence her :)

[ugarte]

7. Very simple

African Americans are big trophies for Republicans. They get lots of fawning attention, very tempting for anyone.

[Poiuyt]

9. Did she say why she went to the dark side?

[CatWoman]

10. read her essay

http://www.c-span.org/c-span25/stories.asp?code=beck

I think around 1996.

[Gato Moteado]

11. all republicans disgust me

nt

[thebigidea]

12. at some point in this thread, you're gonna hear...

"Why, that's reverse racism! Are you saying that blacks can't be Republican? Should they also sit at the back of the bus? We should be proud to see strong black leaders like Colin Powell and Condi Rice, they are role models for us all."

Cue gagging.

Speaking of gagging:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x858614

[CatWoman]

13. LOL -- Your'e a little late

already happened :hi:

"KILL" :D

[thebigidea]

15. damn, next time I read the thread first. DAMN!

[tobius]

19. your posts now make sense. nt

[thebigidea]

23. Oh yeah, very clever. Soooo droll.

Paging Mr. Wilde... Mr. Shaw... Mr. Wilde... you have some competetition...

[CatWoman]

35. his posts ALWAYS make sense

just ask him to extol the virtues of Alan Colmes :D

[tobius]

40. already seen the work

(which came first, brain-terminal or terminalunderground?)

[thebigidea]

41. where did that one come from? Its shrunken...

[beanball]

66. Strong black leaders

Condi& Colin are in the words of a famous black actor and singer,just a couple of A.K.U.Ts and I agree with him.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

14. i agree that

it doesn't make a lot of sense. But disgust?

[CatWoman]

17. yes.

Disgust.

[grannylib]

16. All Republicans disgust me, but particularly women and minorities...what

on earth can anyone be thinking, to support policies so clearly designed to subordinate these groups??

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. I agree-voting with a party that doesn't represent your best interests

and whose social agendas include the repeal of affirmative action, repeal of Roe v. Wade, denial of civil rights for gays, and subjugation of women is disgusting. Many prominent conservative Republicans are loosely allied with hate groups. John Ashcroft endorsed Southern Partisan, a white supremacist journal. These are the kind of people that populate the Republican party. For every 'liberal' Republican, there's 20 whose views aren't that different than a bigot in the 1920s.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

20. I worked for months with a retired black military man who voted for W.

People in the military tend to lean towards the GOP because of that old 'strong on defense' meme. They spent 8 years hating Clinton for Pentagon budget cuts/don't ask-tell/'draft dodger' anti-military identity. This guy had just spent 30 years in the Air Force Symphony Orchestra, the one that plays all the official DC events and tours the world.

I spent lots of time telling him about thousands of black Floridians kicked off the voter rolls and the policies that starve the poor and imprison and execute blacks.

He would at first joke that he would have to 'take me out' for criticizing the pResident. But after I told him about the Patriot Act and Patriot II, he started to get pissed. Military people take an oath to defend the US Constitution and they take it very seriously.

I think that's a good area to disconnect them from W.

Today I heard that Ahnuld is telling people not to criticize the pResident's foreign policy, especially when overseas.

How can people be so willing to shut off their minds to bow to 'authority?' I blame parents and schools. 'Law and order' without justice is a Nazi thang.

[seabeyond]

21. gosh

they are justifying and validating the whole essence of their being. families being split up and in hardship doing the best they can. the fears the loss.

i think we can cut these people a break

[SoCalDem]

25. "..'strong on defense' meme. "...

You can thank media consolidation for all of those "memes".. 24/7 radio and "controlled" media putting out all that crap for a generation and a half have poisoned the well of ideas and thought..

If the media had balance and fairness ...and all sides of an issue were presented...OR if the democratic party had not been so namby-pamby , and resisted the consolidation, NONE of those memes would be around today.. There have been many over the years, and they are continuing..

People are gullible and they pick up bits and pieces.. They repeat them in everyday conversations, even if they have NO idea what they even mean..

Strong on defense is a prime example..

FDR was "strong on defense"...WWII
Eisenhower (who was practically apolitical) was "strong on defense"..Korea
Kennedy was "strong on defense"...Cuba
Johnson was "strong on defense"..Viet Nam
Nixon...Who knows?? he lost the Viet Nam war
Ford.. Who knows?? He did very little
Raygun...Who knows??(He ran up a huge debt building stuff we didn't need against an enemy we didn't have)
Bush I..Who knows??..He basically "used up the excess military toys left over from Raygun...mostly to prove he was not a wimp..
Clinton... Who knows?? We were "at peace"..our former "enemies" had been exposed as paper tigers.. If he had continued to "bulk up" the military, he would have been harrangued for "wasting money"..
Bush II..Who knows??.. He "won" (haha) two wars with the "weakened Clinton military..and the junk he has "ordered" won't be ready for years..

ANY president will do what he feels he has to, at any given moment in time.. To claim that one is weak and another strong is stupid.. All it means is that some are more willing to take money from taxpayers and give to military contractors...Whether we "need" the stuff is always debatable..

We were caught flatfooted in WWII , and managed to gear up very quickly.. It could be done again..

[JohnOneillsMemory]

74. "caught flatfooted in WWII"- read here, US corps. hindered the war effort!

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html

This is an amazing online book called 'The Nazi Hydra.'
It details corporate support of fascism in the US from 1919 on, rather like Kevin Phillips book Dynasty which focuses on the Bush family.

Check out the chapters that detail how US corporations were busy supplying things like machine tool alloys to Germany and footdragging when it came to filling US gov't orders.

This history is worth reading in it's entirety. Lots of details on the attempted DuPont coup against FDR in 1933 that was thwarted by General Smedley Butler.

[Kamika]

26. well you know.. Bush's tax laws doesn't discriminate..

If you're rich and black you should vote for Bush just as much as if you're white

[CatWoman]

34. why?

it's okay to sell your soul for a tax break? :shrug:

[Kamika]

36. for money

Well personally I don't think it's ok.


But if you're gonna sell your soul.. it wont matter if you're black and white..




awww I sound like some anti racist commercial :D

[Muddleoftheroad]

30. Of course you ignore some points

Like areas that some African-Americans agree with the right on. Many, sad to say, in my community oppose us on gay marriage. I see it as a civil rights issue. They see it as a morality issue. It is a big wedge.

In general, I disagree with Black/White/Asian/whatever Republicans, but it is their right to join. Perhaps, if a few more blacks voted GOP, the Democratic Party wouldn't take us for granted so much.

[Exultant Democracy]

38. It is one hell of a catch 22

If black voters were swing voters the Dem's wouldn't take us for granted and they would push more programs important to us. The problem is that to be considered swing voters we would have to vote republican, with the foreknowledge that every republican we put in office would work to dismantle anything that the Democrats helped build with us.

[Muddleoftheroad]

39. Even if we don't catch

Some clearly will.

[boobooday]

37. Or maybe

She is, or expects to, reap benefits for supporting the GOP "talking points." It might help hubby's promotion?

These people who are so against affirmative action are, in their typical hypocritical way, deeply committed to affirmative exploitation.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[noiretextatique]

42. well...considering someone else had to tell her she was conservative

:shrug: i don't give a flying f*** what she thinks :hi:

[CatWoman]

49. bwahahahahahahahaha

Karen!!!!

:hi:

[noiretextatique]

50. didya notice it only dawned on her after

brain lamb and guest told her her views were "conservative?" geez...what a dip.
hey midori :hi: nice thread :evilgrin:

[Carolina]

43. I agree, CW

My view is that they're opportunists and whores. Before anyone flames me, I might add that I'm black, and there are many more politically incorrect names I could use but I know I'll get a moderator warning, so I'll refrain.

When you add the undercurrent of racism to the history of the modern GOP --- a GOP marked by the ascendancy of former Dixiecrats and known to have been against EVERYTHING that enabled this woman to achieve middle class status --- her support is unfathomable. Is she stupid, paid, unread or a religious fundamentalist??? I have met some folks here who base their support for the GOP on one issue and that is their religious belief in the sanctity of life. Funny though, the fetus is sooo very special and should be protected at all costs, but war and the death penalty are A-OK!

The likes of Armstrong Williams (who's also gay!), Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and his devil spawn Michael, Rod Paige, Ward Connerly, etc. must see different apparitions when they look in the mirror. They think they made it on their own and they ignore, deny or are blind to history.

Wouldn't it be nice to see them fall out of favor with their kind of white folks and have no where to turn ....

[noiretextatique]

44. hey carolina

:hi: nice to see you :hi: now...tell us what you really think, and this time, don't be so shy LMAO. i agree 100%...they'll pull an *OJ* and suddenly remember they're black when the GOP has no more use for them

[Carolina]

59. back at you

:hi:

[Tyler Durden]

45. A FEMALE, Black Republican is like saying:

A Black Muslim who wants to join the KKK.

??

Maybe there is intelligent life on Mars. All it would have to have now is the nervous system of a FLATWORM to exceed US.

[Bunny]

46. Kinda like the chickens voting for Colonel Sanders, ain't it?

:wtf:

[CheshireCat]

51. chickens voting for Colonel Sanders

I think that quote can from the father of JC Watts, who told his son that" a balck man voting Republican was like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders".

Wise man!

[ZenLefty]

47. A black republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders

Someone here once had that in their sig line. Always loved it.

[CheshireCat]

48. I don't understand ANY woman who is a Republican

It is beyond me how any self-repecting woman could be a Republican. I can say this because I am a woman. Republican women must think they need men to succeed at anything. Either that or they are afraid to have to try to suceed.

Don't get me wrong. I find nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom or stay-at-home dad. The job was too hard for me to tackle.

I don't understand any black or gay person being a Republican either.

[thingfish]

52. Disgust is a little strong...

Some blacks believe they should be present at every American institution, including the Republican party, to have a voice there, at least. I can respect that. Also, there are black conservatives who are genuine intellectuals and not bought-and-paid-for token whores (although there are a ton of those, Armstrong Williams being a case in point).

[noiretextatique]

53. name one "genuine intellectual" who is black and conservative

i haven't come across a single one.

[thebigidea]

54. come to think of it, name one "genuine intellectual" who is white and con.

Who do they have? David Horowitz? bwahahahahah.

Well, maybe Bill Buckley a few decades back, but he's in suspended animation or something these days.

[noiretextatique]

55. LMAO...good point

bill buckley...that pompous prick doesn't qualify either :hi:

[thingfish]

57. Stanley Fish is conservative and brilliant.

x

[thebigidea]

58. got a link to something brilliant I can sink my teeth into?

And please tell me he's not "David Brooks"-type brilliant.

[thingfish]

62. Not Fish, but...

http://www.bu.edu/irsd/articles/castout.htm

[noiretextatique]

64. must be kismet...you know loury changed his views

and renouced his former rw whoring.

[thebigidea]

65. he sounds more deluded than intellectual

"The fault lies not with conservatism per se but with those conservatives who fail to see that their creed is entirely consistent with the creative use of the moral imagination."

Snurk! Thanks, but I prefer the intellectualism of the Mammy-Nuns over that.

Well, at least he quit the AEI. That's one positive thing I can say... maybe that was a wakeup call. I wonder what the real story behind leaving AEI was.

[Rich Hunt]

71. I know that...

I know that the few blacks who were at the AEI left after Charles Murray (of 'The Bell Curve') was welcomed into the AEI. Dinesh D'Souza also wrote a blatantly racist book and he is AEI as well.

ON EDIT: Ah yes, here it is:

D’Souza’s Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus-- a compendium of anecdotes purportedly documenting the horrors of political correctness and affirmative action on college campuses--propelled him into the media spotlight. D’Souza’s recent The End of Racism was so patently offensive that staunch black conservatives Robert Woodson and Glenn Loury both denounced the book and severed their ties with AEI in protest.



http://www.fair.org/extra/9903/aei.html

[sendero]

56. That would make sense...

... if they actually had a voice. Believe me, the minute they say anything against the party line is the minute they might as well be talking to a wall.

[CatWoman]

60. exhibit A: J. C. Watts

He started acting as if his opinion REALLY counted with the GOP, and they booted his ass out at the blink of an eye.

[noiretextatique]

63. glenn loury's return from the dark side

once a darker darling of the rw, here's an interesting article about mr. loury's return to humanity.


http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/20/magazine/20LOURY.html?ex=1078894800&en=ea0deaa4d67b75cc&ei=5070

[thebigidea]

68. ah, great! I knew something might've happened after reading that AEI bit

great article - love this bit:

''That meeting was the defining moment for Glenn,'' his friend Orlando Patterson, a Harvard sociologist, later said. Or, as another scholar put it to me, ''Glenn is finally able to walk into a room full of black people who don't all hate him.''

Quite sad as well, I feel a rather large amount of pity.

And hatred for that fuck Podhoretz for saying: "The loss to his fellow blacks, and to the rest of us as well, is incalculable.'"

edit again - holy shit, what a story. This would make an intriguing documentary if it hasn't already been done. Its got everything! Betrayal! Bill Bennett! Cocaine! Love nests! Academic intrigue!

See, this is what happens when I spend the 90s completely oblivious to politics.

Kinda miss that, though. Curse you, W!

[noiretextatique]

72. loury's is an interesting story...one you don't hear much about

as to the current crop of so-called black, conservative intellectuals :hurts: they have zero legitimacy among actual black intellectuals. that should be a clue to some.

[Bucky]

67. Not to nitpick but should "black" be in there? Don't all have the right...

...to be wrongheaded jerk offs? I mean, the way you say it, it sounds like it's worse to be black and Republican than to be white and Republican. Surely that involves judging someone to a large extent by the color of their skin. A certain hero of mine said that sort of shit is wrong. I would hope we're better than that.

[CatWoman]

69. Because I truly believe

it's worse to be black and Republican than to be white and Republican.

The Republican party has absolutely NOTHING to offer blacks.

[ComerPerro]

73. Well, here is my take on it

All Republicans make me sick because they sell out society in order to better themselves.

And some of them don't even know that they are doing it!

What do you call a Republican who isn't wealthy?

A sucker!

[SeveneightyWhoa]

77. Don't worry, black Republicans disgust Bush, too:

www.counterbias.com/news001.html

[SmokeyBlues]

78. They all used to be liberals. Condi and Clarence included.

This was during the good ol’ days of Brain Lamb hosting on Mondays and Fridays. Brian said to me, "Caller, why are you calling in on the liberal line?" I answered, "Because I am a liberal." He replied, "Caller, your views are clearly conservative" and the guest agreed. I remember saying in a stunned and somewhat confused tone, "Well that is how I feel." Brian began his regular spill of insisting callers call in on the proper lines. On that day, I began reconsidering my political position.

Back up everybody 'cause I'm gonna :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

As I mentioned in another post, all it takes is the appearance of acceptance and a half-dollar. Done deal!

[shugah]

79. all half dozen?

there can't be more than 6.

can there?

i don't know that i'm disgusted so much as flabbergasted.