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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:16 AM
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US is moving its forces out of Iraqi cities into walled-off garrisons
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040315-598006,00.html

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<snip>Administration backers say U.S. commanders have wisely absorbed the lesson of British colonial rule that a heavy military presence in the streets is an irritant, not a reassurance. But the U.S. has also been moving its forces out of the cities into walled-off garrisons to reduce American casualties. Now in the midst of the largest troop rotation since World War II, the Pentagon is replacing seasoned Army combat divisions, in part, with Marines and a sizable corps of reserve and National Guard units (they will make up nearly 40% of the post-June force) unfamiliar with the country, lacking in hands-on experience and trained to operate quite differently. In January before the House Armed Services Committee, Marine Corps Commandant General Michael Hagee said his incoming troops have been studying how the Los Angeles police department patrols gangland neighborhoods. They plan to be less intrusive, eschewing tank raids in favor of foot patrols, cultivating goodwill rather than taking the fight to the enemy. "There is a time for the iron fist and a time for the velvet glove," says Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, deputy director of U.S. military operations in Iraq. Retired General Anthony Zinni, who headed the U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000, says the garrison strategy is "good because it drives down U.S. casualties, but it's bad because it means you're throwing everything onto an Iraqi security force that clearly is not prepared to take it on. You're going to see them pay a hell of a price." Officers in the new Iraqi security corps say the occupation is at a critical phase where the U.S. needs to ease up. "If they do not," says General Abdullah Hussein Jabara, who works with Iraq's security forces, "the bad feelings will continue to grow."

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:20 AM
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1. Election 2004..Period
This is political in every way.. We don't want dead National Guardsmen mucking up Dubya's campaign now do we?
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:22 AM
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2. Of course not...
everything this administration does now is strictly for the re-election purposes...
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:30 AM
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3. Anarchy coming
US troops are hidden away behind barricades and Iraqi police are mostly unarmed and ineffective, not to mention blown up regularly. Iraq is being left to whatever local or imported thugs can grab power.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:36 AM
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4. Oh, the humanity of it all
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:49 AM
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5. Of course this is what they are doing
just like in Afghanistan. We don't give a shit if the Iraqis all kill each other as long as we can keep the oil fields secure. However, unlike Afghanistan the troops in Iraq can't just hide in their secure garrisons. They have to go out and protect those pipelines, oil fields and all those private contractors. As soon as this big troop rotation is done, expect US casualities to go up again.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:55 AM
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6. 3rd ID reportedly heading back to Iraq
The 3rd ID is slated to go back to Iraq, so at least one Army Division will have experience.

Saw this on a CNN news ticker one day last week, according to the scroll the 3rd ID will be returning to Iraq, as part of the rotation.
The report said that most of the unit will have only been home for 6 months when they head back.

This means that it won't be long before the 101st Airborne heads back
also.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 08:55 AM
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7. It's the old Vietnam strategy all over again...
...control the cities and towns and leave the countryside to the opposition. U. S. forces in Vietnam transitioned from moving targets to sitting targets while sending out patrols that got ambushed with alarming frequency.

Great thinking.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:58 PM
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8. I thought the article said
we were moving our troops out of the cities?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:00 PM
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9. My mistake...
...but we also used walled garrisons in Vietnam. Quite a few were overrun, and my comments on ambushes also remains valid.
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