I wonder whether Geraldo is having second thoughts

[kskiska]

about defecting to Faux News?

He was just on a panel with Rita Cosby and a couple other Faux talking heads and was absolutely livid about Martha Stuart's conviction. The others just sat and looked at him like he was crazy, after having spoken their frothing-at-the-mouth pieces on how she deserves what she got. He fidgeted around and was absolutely disgusted with their gloating, saying how she's lost her business, etc.

But then he got to talk about how he was shot at in Iraq. Maybe that makes it all worth it.

[displacedtexan]

1. He used to be married to Edith Vonnegut.

Wouldn't you love to hear Kurt's opinion of the G-man?

[Gadave]

2. Martha is not a liberal hero

I wish people would realize that she screwed some suckers out of $50,000 because she didn't want to suffer a loss, even though she is almost a billionaire.

Support her is supporting everything I find distasteful about our country.

[Frances]

4. Martha did not hurt the little guy at all

and she may go to prison

And while Martha is sitting in prison, Bush will be sitting in the White House even though his stock dealings were much worse

Plus where is Kenny Boy?

No, Martha is just a smoke screen to cover for the fact that the guys who manipulated mutual funds are being allowed to keep their profits and not face trials. (Many companies and public employers invest their pension money in mutual funds so this scandal did hurt the little guy)

[Gadave]

6. So what about the people who bought her stock?

Since they aren't wealthy Democratic contributors, they don't count?

She new it was a one way ticket to the bottom, and she sold it anyway. Well no one she knew would be hurt, so it's okay. Martha is an innocent Billionaire hero. YAY her.

And good job deflecting the issue by pointing to "Kenny Boy". Your logic is like saying a murderer shouldn't go to prison because someone else killed 2 people.

They all need to be in jail and a large portion of thier money confiscated. The only way punishment works is when they actually feel some pain. The only pain these people know is losing thier cushy lifestyle of priveledge.

[jrthin]

8. You have your facts wrong.

Selling her stock hurt no one. A conviction though has hurt the little guy who own stock in her company---thanks to the federal government.

[Gadave]

11. What you are saying is...

The person who bought her stock the day before it colapsed lost no money? The fact the stock tanked the next day somehow did not cost them anything? Explain that to me, and I will retract my statement.

Martha hurt her own stock, by her greed. A greed so strong she couldn't stand to lose 1/20,000 of her fortune.

That's the equivelent of one of us screwing a homeless guy out of a buck. It's petty. It's greed at its worst. And that is what Martha did.

Holding this arrogant person up as hero is foolish. There are many more deserving icons we should using.

[OKNancy]

13. Martha wasn't tried for selling stock in her

own company, it was Inclone ( or however it's spelled)

She was greedy and didn't want to lose money on stock in that company (Inclone) that was tanking. Everyone who invested in the company was going to lose one way or another, some more, some less.

[Gadave]

15. What do you think I was talking about?

Of course I was talking about Imclone. By selling her stock with pre-knowledge it was going to tank, she screwed someone else. A stock sale cannot happen unless you have a buyer AND a seller. In this case the seller knew she was going to lose her money and decided to let the buyer take the loss instead, and the seller WAS A BILLIONAIRE.

Martha the peasants are starving because they lost their shirts buying your bad stock.

Well, let them eat cake.

[KoKo]

7. "Martha" is more of the Bush Vendetta against Powerful Females. Remember

Oprah and the Ranchers? It's a pattern. Check out Martha's "Crimes" against, Tyco, Enron, Global Crossing, Dick Grasso and NYSE, (many others) and then the Mutual Fund Scandals where all the "little folks" were being stiffed for money by the "High Rollers."

Give me a Break! Martha is their Vedetta! A toss to the Angry White Male Fundies who hate women and particularly powerful women, even though Martha was the Paragon of Home and the Female at Home who tries to make life pretty for her Man and her family.

It's disgusting what they've done to her. And, I was NOT a Martha fan.
But, she made her business off those of us who do like "Pretties" and like creativity and enjoy the "home arts" like cooking, decorating, love of family and making our "home realm" a nicer place.

She was like a Mom who tried to pass along things to her female children
of ways to make our lives more interesting, more creative and our world a more beautiful place. Because she could actually make BIG MONEY out of this freaked out the Right Wing, and that she gave to the DEM PARTY really got the steam coming out of their ears!

[Gadave]

12. Martha did this to herself

All she had to do was tell the truth about getting the information in the first place, but like many of the people of her ilk, she was above the laws. She would have gotten a slap on the wrist and her Martha Stewart Omnimedia stock would not have tanked.

She made her own coffin, and I hope it is lined with daisy border tape, and a scented with fresh from the garden pot pouri.

I am sick of these big corporate insiders who take advantage of the rest of us. Protecting this one just because she is a Democrat is hypocritical.

(P.S. Did you know Martha was a stoke broker? She should know the rules better than anyone).

[4sanity]

22. Thanks koko01

Very true. Like you I was no Martha Stewart fan, her recipe for meatloaf was mediocre at best. But who did she hurt without the witch-hunt? Neil Bush and his less-smart brother get a pass for their financial misdeeds and Martha gets prison??? I find myself in the confusing position of defending a wealthy asswipe. Strange stuff.

[koopie57]

3. Geraldo and second thoughts .... hummm

I admire your kindness kskiski cuz I wouldn't not have given him the benefit of the doubt for having first thoughts :o But I wondered the same thing cuz he seemed sort of silly and dumb sometimes, but he never seemed to have the cruel gene in him that most at faux have. I wonder if he needed the work?

[kskiska]

5. I guess he was just too rich and bored

and wanted to be a real reporter, but no one but his old pal Roger Ailes would have him after his tabloid, over-the-top reputation. Now he's burned his bridges and has noplace left to go.

[KoKo]

9. His third or fourth wife was Ci Ci, who was a producer he worked with at

one of the networks (ABC, I think). When he was married to her was when he did the best of his Pro-Clinton/anti-impeachment work on CNBC/MSNBC.

Those were Geraldo's Glory Days for the Dems. This was building on his splash when he was a young reporter in NY and did an investigation on the "Willowbrook Home for (what was then known as) the "Retarded."

Whatever happened to Geraldo after Clinton. Well he divorced CiCi with whom he had two children and then was hired by Faux to be a Right Wing Shill.

I've never understood his transformation to this day.....but many believe he was nothing but a "opportunist" from the beginning and saw "Willowbrook" as his way to get noteriety. Then he had the Al Capone's Vault Disaster....after another period of problems with ABC and his career was on the skids.

Maybe he saw "defending Clinton" (AND he was the ONLY Media person who sat there night after night defending Clinton) as another "opportunistic
venture to flaunt his ego."

I don't watch Fox Network, ever, so I don't know what's happened to him since he went there, except what I've read on DU and it hasn't sounded good. Some alluded to affair with Annie Coulter was enough to make me barf....so I don't care what the hell happens to him.

Maybe CiCi was the best thing that every happened to him, and she was a Dem and he fought against the Clinton Haters because he wanted to make her happy.....who knows.

It's sad, because the guy could have been a better man....the signs were there, but he always caved to the "dark side." :shrug:

[UTUSN]

10. Whorealdo Lost All Pride, 2nd Thoughts: Neh

He literally groveled, not only to Faux but to all of its talking-head fiefdoms. He crawled on all of the Faux shows, assuring them and the Faux audiences that he really was worthy of them. O'REILLY looked at him with CONTEMPT and asked, "What do YOU bring that Faux doesn't have?" It's a valid point, since Rita COSBY had already staked out her niche as the bad-boy-lover (McVEIGH, MILOSEVIC, BERKOWITZ), the sensationalist niche. More often than not, his show is covering the same topics COSBY is, Kobe and PETERSEN.

As for his defense of Martha, it's just the CELEBRITY elbow rubbing that is left over in him. But his pre-Faux wall to wall coverage of the SIMPSON trial was great and his CLINTON coverage....sigh. But, no, he and Tweety are LOST to us. We've got to accept that and not be beguiled by any momentary crumb they throw us.

[KoKo]

14. UTUSN, thanks for the Fox fill in. And I agree about Tweety/Whoraldo!

One wonders when any other viewers of theirs will "connect the dots" as we have who know them.

Unfortunately, a "new audience for their trash" is born every minute and when "we tune out" they always have a new sucker.

P.T. Barnum....of "Showman Fame" said it best: "There's a Sucker born every minute." We have many P.T. Barnums but few who have a reading of even our most recent history, it seems. Not much "critical thinking" or "Logic" goes into our classroom curriculum's these days.

I'm with Bobby Byrd who quoted Aesop's Fables on the Senate floor this week. I'm glad I was a reader and that what I read was lots of Fables, and Folklore, and some Greek History.

We are living through all of it that writers tried to warn us about, but CNN/FAUX and MSNBC are the books that many read today.

:-(......I know, I sound like some curmudgeon...

[kskiska]

16. I have noticed, though,

that he covers mostly war and sensational crime. He seems to have steered clear of politics on Faux.

I don't doubt he was sincere during the Clinton impeachment mess. Early in his career he was attorney for the Young Lords, a Puerto Rican gang, so he was definitely a liberal. It seems he simply wants to be "war correspondent." He's given no indication of whether or not he's changed his politics since joining up with Faux. At any rate, I can't see him making a comeback. He's lost his credibility.

[KoKo]

17. Does anyone remember his "Travel Channel" trip on his Yacht with wife

and kids. It was a "many part" series where he had to come back and report on Clinton's impeachment. It ran twice and it was Geraldo in him most "high roller" mood. Still, it was interesting the ports he "called into" and his experiences. Except that you knew he paid a crew to run the ship and he was flying back and forth to Ft. Lee to do his show while trying to complete his "Geraldo Around the World in 80 Days" Thingey....

I must admit....I did watch and enjoy his travels on his yacht,though.

My bad...

[salin]

18. Geraldo lost me many years ago..

his show was tacky... but ... whatever. Then the tell-all "look at me and how many women whom I list (though many deny) that I have slept with over the yers" book. WHATEVER. That isnt even a common term for me - but rather sums up my overall impression of the little opportunistic attention seeking Geraldo.

[KoKo]

19. Oh, but Salin, he and "Salon" online were the only hope I had during

Clinton Impeachment that there was any sanity left in America!! They were what I looked for to keep me clinging to sanity when the RW went after Clinton and Hillar at the height of the Starr/Jones stuff that was going on. I think without Salon and Geraldo fighting for Clinton against RW, I would have been huddled in a bunker right now because I certainly wouldn't have looked for DU or been networked into the "next step" which was the "online media" which exploded after Geraldo turned into "Whorealdo" and "Salon" had it's major funding problems and had to let go it's best writers who had kept so many of us going.

Were you around then Salin? For when "Salon" started up and was working it seemed in tandem with Geraldo...?

That's why my venom against is like seeing him as a Benedict Arnold traitor. (although recent accounts paint Arnold with a more sypathtic brush, his name is synonymous with "Traitor" in our culture.

That's why when his name is mentioned to some of us....we have really strong opininons because he did us so dirty after being such a good guy for a brief "shining moment."

That's all I'm trying to say here.

[salin]

20. Didn't find Salon til much later.

but was living in the Bay area - with much better news coverage. While it was infuriating - I wasn't going nuts at the entire media coverage. Your context makes me see your point.

[peacetalksforall]

21. Martha may not matter as a person and a business to many including

some on this forum -

however it does matter that her case is being used as a deflection from Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson.....etc.

The cabal wants it to look like corporate criminals are being caught. There is no comparison to the gravity of her crime compared to the brass of the corporations who intentionally screwed innocent people directly in their pockets - whether citizens and business owners in California or teachers in Florida or employees or millions more. Marth Stewart did not do that, but she is probably going to get the heaviest press coverage and the longest sentence. She is a woman and someone that not everyone likes and as far as we know her own company has not pulled off any crimes.

Measure the coverage and non-stop attention with the cable jokes by employee hosts. Measure the sentence. Make a comparison list of the crimes.

This is another carefully orchestrated campaign - however, I'm not saying that the jury was inside on the campaign. The trial is separate from the circus.