Bush* isn't the problem

[rogerashton]

It is important to keep this in mind. Bush is merely a symptom. The disease, the cancer that is killing this country, is conservatism. How are we going to extract the cancer of conservatism?

[mike_c]

1. one way would be to insist on a progressive, liberal...

...opposition party.

[K-W]

3. Good Plan, lets make congress 80% Republican

That should make things much better.

[mike_c]

8. I think you've just proven the original post's point....

Fear of change = conservatism.

[K-W]

11. So any change is positive?

I think you are the wrong forum if you think that a 1 party government is liberal or progressive.

[OKNancy]

2. Step one:

Get rid of Bush.

[K-W]

6. Exactly, stop the bleeding, then start curing the disease.

This battle wont end for a very very long time.

[seabeyond]

4. by start doing right as liberals

pretty big there but hear and agree. by not lieing and bullshit, we know more than the news gives either cause they dont know and i think they do just dont report. they have to clearly understand. all these people are going off premise they dont have to tell us what is up. we get the info with out them now

they have to see lieing isnt going to pay. kerry has to start

[DS1]

5. There needs to be balance in everything sustainable

Conservatism at its root is beneficial to any democracy, providing there is equal representation of liberalism. Greed has taken over conservatism, extract that, not the traditional conservative ideology.

[rogerashton]

13. The modern conservative movement is a cancer.

This is not to say that in some times and places, a "balance" between conservatism and something else might not have been possible, or even desireable. But it is not even possible here and now. You don't balance a little disease with a little health -- you get rid of the disease.

[chicagojoe]

7. ONE DAY AT A TIME

WHAT HAS TO BE DONE FIRST IS TO GET OUT THE TRUTH. OF COURSE, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT FROM "FOXPROPAGANDA", OR ANY MAJOR NEWS SOURCE THEY STAND NOW. THAT OLD SAYING,"THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE", IS SO TRUE. THERE'S THE RUB--THE CONSERVATIVES DON'T WANT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES TO BE FREE.

[scarface2004]

9. its not conservative!!!

they are reactionaries...first lets get the terms right!!

[aquart]

10. No. Conservatism is NOT what this is.

We really need to get our definitions straight. Real conservatism would be a good and natural balance, the different sides keeping each other honest. But fascism is NOT conservatism. What we have here is fascism. Or, to put it in more modern terminology: corporatism.

Corporations are NOT inherently good. They ARE inherently anti-democratic. A nation cannot fire its citizens. Therefore a nation has different goals than profitability. We have been ignoring those goals and refusing to define them as a national purpose. The purpose of a nation is NOT to facilitate corporate goals. If a corporation is willing to conform to national goals, it can be accepted and encouraged, but if it's not, then the corporation is a parasitical force, leeching and destroying the nation.

So, what are our national goals? THAT's the discourse we've been avoiding.

[trixie]

12. More steps

Righto - get rid of the idiot

Then we need to completely seperate church and state. No more pandering to the religious right!

Next we need to give freedom to ALL citizens, not just the ones we like.

there's more but I am too tired.....

[rogerashton]

14. Calling it by a different name won't change what it is.

Let the people who call themselves "conservative" decide what the word means. In fact, they do decide that, by their actions, which show them to be vectors of disease.

Conservatism is not yours to reform, you know. We had better work on reforming what we are, not fantasize that conservatives can be different than they are.

[Paradise]

15. you're on the right track but i think it's

NEOCON, NEOCONSERVATIVE, that's the word, and we've got to do to IT what they've done to the word LIBERAL! :toast:

[Wapsie B]

16. I think one thing that will help

is all the movement of people into traditionally conservative areas like parts of the South and Midwest. Thin out the ranks of the gop with more of us. Dilute their strongholds of power.

[DeepModem Mom]

17. Extremist conservatism is the "cancer,"

exacerbated by the zealotry of its adherents, and their enabling by a press that isn't holding up its end of the bargain of a democratic system. The cancer is far advanced, with all three branches of our government under extremist control, but I've not yet lost all hope.

[agincourt]

18. I wouldn't call it conservatism,

conservatism is a lot more sensible than this. The only phrase that comes to mind is that the GOPigs are the anti-federalist feudalist party , the AFF.

[Ksec]

19. It IS a different wing of Conslobative were talkin here

Its the extremist wing that seems to be the strong voice in the party while "decent" people go unheard.

I think theyve blown their wad. The credibility factor , which is really hurting, is where we get them out of Dodge.

Its something we must combine. No credibilty and Conservative. The two must become one.

Screw trying to distinguish the difference in NEOs and Cons. It makes it more complicated which lessens your chances of linking the two words.