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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:09 PM
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I truly feel for Aristide but I think this is a blessing for Democrats
Bush* has blatantly disregarded the Santiago Declaration signed by his dad and has openly shown his total lack of regard for Democracy. It is an issue that will reverberate through-out the country. Why would the US allow a Democracy to be overthrown by thugs? Why why why? It does not matter what anyone thinks about Aristide but what they think about the right to chose by ballot.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:16 PM
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1. It's a blessing for US businesses and investors, that's for sure!

and that's what Democracy is all about.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:19 PM
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2. Mixed blessing
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 04:24 PM by hughee99
While this definately doesn't look good for Bush to do this, and it will play well for Kerry in the comming elections, I don't necessarily trust Aristide either. I from everything I've seen, I can imagine that the conversation went something like this:

US "envoy": If the rebels reach your palace, they'll kill you... and we're leaving.
Aristide: eh...
US "envoy": If you want to go with us, we'll take you out, but you'll have to resign.
Aristide: eh... I don't want to resign, but I don't think I'll enjoy being a dead president. Okay, I'll go.

Then, to play both sides, he claims he was kidnapped and didn't resign.

The mixed blessing is that when Kerry takes over, he'll then be responsible for cleaning up this mess.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:23 PM
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3. Problem with that theory
The rebels halted once they reached the outskirts of the city. They did not enter the city until after Aristide was gone, and the US got into it. They did not enter the city, because it is a large city, and there were only a few hundred rebels. I doubt that Aristide was as terribly concerned about his own safety as you suggest, given the circumstances.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:27 PM
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6. Didn't this happen before?
Didn't this already happen about 10 years ago to him? With that in his past, I'm sure he was at least a little nervous about the loyalty of those protecting him.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:24 PM
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4. Everything "seen"... has come from
unquestioning, memory-impaired corporate-owned media.

  • "Sen. Christopher Dodd, also interviewed on CNN, said that while he didn't know if there was a U.S.-led coup, "we said to President Aristide, look, you can stay and be killed or you can leave. You make the choice. That's hardly a voluntary departure...""

  • "Commentary in the Guardian says it was essential to the U.S. and France that Jean-Bertrand Aristide "not only be forced from office but utterly discredited in the eyes of his people and the world," and an analysis on World War 3 Report argues that Aristide's overthrow began in December 1990."


  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1159809,00.html
    http://ww3report.com/haiti.html
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    DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:25 PM
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    5. Blame the victim.
    The bitch asked for it.


    Who the hell do you think armed the "rebels" with new M-16s and gave them their nice new uniforms?

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    bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:31 PM
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    8. Why isn't what you described a dishonest coersion

    U.S. military force surrounds him and falsely claims his life is in danger to get him to resign. At the same time they hold the insurgents at bay. Where was the threat? The only threat would have been if the U.S. forces let the Rebels advance. Something they easily prevented while they conned Aristide into signing a phone-dictated resignation.

    What does the Bush cabal support about the rebels? Which terrorist rebel do they think is better for Haiti than Aristide?
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    Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:33 PM
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    9. It doesn't matter what happened between the US and Aristide
    The fact remains that the US did nothing to prevent a violent coup in a Democratic country within our hemisphere. Bush 1 signed an agreement that we would come to the aid of any Democracy being threatened by overthrow and we did not do that. No matter what the failings of Aristide might be he was elected and deserves the right to a recall election no less. Not Armed insurrection.
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    sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:30 PM
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    7. I think it is a decent issue if it sticks...
    What's that I hear? Falling down the memory hole already? Well, we can hope not...for everyone's sake.
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    Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:39 PM
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    10. EVERYONE should feel sorry for themselves.
    The brazen way in which this was done is a sign that we're not in a democratic republic. What was done in secret by the CIA, is now done in the open... by openly funded (tax payer dollars) rethuglican groups, like NED and International Republican Institute.

    "What you do to the least of these, my brethren, you do it unto me."

    The NGO's engaging in undermining foreign governments will not stop operating because a different president is in the White House. Americans aren't ready for real change, most of them just want to be included in the corrupt system we already have.

    I cannot fathom the good this will bring to Democrats. Not enough people care, and an even fewer amount of people know anything other than what the networks have reported.
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