now Bush wants to censor the internet!

[ringmastery]

It's the parents responsibility that their children don't see dirty pictures, not the governments.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=558&u=/ap/20040302/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_online_porn_4&printer=1

[Gman]

1. Ted Olsen leading the charge?

The leader of the Arkansas Project that lied his ass off (i.e. perjury) to Congress about it and had a young babe on his arm a month after Babs checked out.

Oh, the country is in such good hands.

[ComerPerro]

2. Those guys have it all wrong

Kids, don't try this at home. The Bush administration's top Supreme Court lawyer says he typed the words "free porn" into an Internet search engine on his home computer and got a list of more than 6 million Web sites.

Yeah, if it were only that easy.

But, how many of those 6 million sites want to actually show you free porn?

I will tell you.

None.

Not a fucking one of them.

Suddenly its "credit card" this, and "monthly fee" that.

Bullshit.

I say the hell with it.


Wait, what's this?
Porn is "as easily available to children as a television remote," Olson told the justices as he defended a 1998 law that Congress meant as a firewall to shield children.

Hmm. Maybe I am just looking in the wrong places. I mean, if children as young as maybe eight years old can find good, free porn, what the hell is stopping me? Where are they finding it?

Whoa... hold the phone, I think I'm onto something here...

The ACLU challenged the law on behalf of online bookstores, artists and others, including operators of Web sites that offer explicit how-to sex advice or health information.

Ahh. So that is how I find the good, free stuff.

Thank you, Uncle Sam!!!!!

[trogdor]

17. First of all, eight year olds aren't interested enough...

...to go through the trouble of ferreting out the free 60-second clips of whatever the porn people are offering. It is out there, but it isn't as easy to get to as Mr. Olsen suggests. It requires some effort and computer savvy.

What concerns me is, given the typical eight year old's limited spelling and typing skills, people who use URLs like http://www.cartoonnetwerk.com to steer people to their porn site. This sort of thing SHOULD be illegal, and carry more penalty with it than a mere slap on the wrist.

[Bridget Burke]

3. Brought to us by Ted Olson

"The Bush administration's top Supreme Court lawyer says he typed the words 'free porn' into an Internet search engine on his home computer and got a list of more than 6 million Web sites. That's proof, Solicitor General Theodore Olson told the Supreme Court on Tuesday, of the need for a law protecting children from a tide of online smut."

No doubt he's spent many hours of selfless searching since then, determining just how much naughty stuff is available on the internet.

[ComerPerro]

6. heh

Locked in his room with only a computer with internet access, a minifridge full of beer, and a ... nevermind... That is wrong....


so very wrong..

[11 Bravo]

20. Why does Ted Olson have orange genitals?

He eats Cheetos while "researching" the availability of internet porn.

[demnan]

4. Yeah and DU and Bartcop et al will be considered

the "porn" sites!!

[Bundbuster]

5. ...that their children don't see dirty pictures of the government

[kcwayne]

7. It's not that easy

Every day I get 50 emails with graphic pictures inviting me to visit great porn sites that specialize in cum faced teens, girls that love anal, trannies, wild group sex, huge donged studs doing little girls with two cocks stuffed down their throats, girls that do barnyard animals, etc, etc, etc.

I get bombarded by this crap because I used some web site that has a non-porn function and they sold my email address, or some virus collected my email and transmitted it to some database, or some sniffer software plucked my email address out of packets that it monitored on the Internet and the sniffer sold my email to a database vendor.

You can't complain to the cretins that send you this stuff, because they hide behind bogus email address, and if you do respond to the "take me off the list", they sell your name to some other list.

I have tried anti-spam software, but it does not work. I have network firewalls, and Symantic Parent filtering software, but it doesn't work.

I don't want my pre-teen daughter exposed to this junk, but she wants to use email to exchange pleasantries with her friends and relatives. It is not practical for me to sit by her side every session on the computer to control this.

I would pay for an email service that would guarantee that it could remove 100% of the SPAM and PORNOSPAM out there, but I don't see how they could possibly do it when so many porn sites' existence is predicated on free access to the Internet domain to market their product.

I would like to see a validated Internet community, in which you could not gain access to it without a validated IP address that someone takes legal responsibility for. The point would be the ability to track the address to someone legally responsible for transmissions from that address. Then when I find inappropriate material being sent to me, I have legal recourse to sue the SOB.
If you put the financial pain of being irresponsible on someone, it
will make them self regulate.

In short, this is an area where the business community is incented to invade your privacy, and I need the government's help to reclaim my right to privacy from those that wantonly steal it.

[Tracer]

8. Can you change your provider?

When I switched to cable internet (Comcast, the only provider in my area) the amount of spam I received stopped dead.

I get NO SPAM. NONE. NADA. ZILCH.

If you could do this, and change your e-mail, perhaps you would be as relieved as I am.

[kcwayne]

11. I have Comcast

Comcast does not filter at the ISP level. The reason you are not getting SPAM is because your new email address has not been placed in one of the databases that spammers use yet.

I can change my email, and have done this. This is a temporary tactical move that is defeated by the sniffers and viruses.

[trogdor]

19. That works for awhile.

It isn't permanent.

[Bridget Burke]

9. Earthlink is my provider (cable access)

Their e-mail is quite spam-free. I can't remember receiving anything from a site I've never visited. Earthlink also offers a free popup-blocker that's pretty good.

There are programs that can check out your PC's "cookies". I'm sure that some of our more tech-minded members will be offering information.

You don't need government help--you need technical help.

[kcwayne]

14. It is not a technical problem

I have BS and MS degrees in Computer Science and have worked in the industry for 25 years. I know the tactical measures that I can take, and they can all be easily defeated, especially if you use Microsoft operating systems which are obscenely deficient in security.

Even if I changed OS to something that didn't let anyone who happened to see my IP on the net poke around in my computer, and wrote my own highly secure email client, I could not stop someone with freeware sniffer software that monitors packets on the network and scans out text strings looking for email addresses, and then sells those addresses to spammers.

As long as there is a business model that says I can send out 1 million emails essentially free, knowing that the .001 percent that are interested in my message and will respond to pay me 5 bucks, there will be people interested in invading my privacy. If those people came to my door and dropped off DVD samples of girls doing donkeys, or 65 year old men getting anal from 10 year olds, I would have legal remedies. I want the same remedies when they invade my privacy electronically. Those remedies are not going to come from some geek in Redmond.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Sign Of The Times...I Laughed!

I get the same emails and love your descriptions. This stuff doesn't shock, doesn't titilate...it just plain annoys.

I suggest to Hairdo Ted to take a run to his local library and try seeing how many of those sites come up...or a public school...(the keystrokes are monitored at our school) and then try to watch it with people swarming all around. Yea, Ted, we're in serious peril...you evil piece of humanoid shit.

The good news is the Internet is too large now for a government entity to control and to do so goes against the financial interests of its big money benefactors. Smells to me like yet another shot in the "culture wars"...just like against "porn" on radio...a carrot to the fundies who all of a sudden seem so powerful and important.

We've lived through eras of sexual and social repression in the past and it's always resulted in a "revolution" such as the Roaring 20's and the 60's (do the math...we're almost there kids). In many cases we're reliving the 50's...the draconian days where the Right Wing overreached and led to the rise of civil rights, sexual liberation and the first steps of woman's equality. In the deep recesses of my mind, if this is the price we have to pay for a soon-to-come golden age, it'll make those days so much sweeter. But first, we've got a regime to remove.

[Gato Moteado]

13. i don't agree with censorship.......

.....but i do agree with kcwayne!

spam, whether it's advertising porn sites, herbal viagra, or dental insurance, should be made illegal and the government should support my right to not have to deal with it. nobody, especially children and little old ladies, should be subject to porn spam, and i should have the right to sue the ass off any spammer that wastes my precious time by sending a single piece of junk mail to my inbox and the government should assist me by punishing those that continue to propogate spam after they have been warned.

people that want to see porn on the web (like clarence thomas) know how and where to find it. we don't need to be inundated with email about it that has been sent out randomly and indiscriminantly to millions of email addresses. funny that ted olson doesn't talk about this...he wants to only stop people that search for porn the way anyone would search for information they are looking for.

[Mr_Scarecrow]

15. Get a new email address!

Yahoo is pretty good. Just go to www.yahoo.com and request one. It's free if you keep the size of the box under 6 MB and they are good about support. You just need to "Mark as Spam" any SPAM and they block anything from that sender. It's better to use an internet email like this because then it's independent of your IP address.
I like your idea of creating a different space for concerned parents. You could call it the "alternet." But it's your idea, you have to push it. Pitch it to AOL, Clear Channel, whoever will listen.

[Florida_Geek]

16. Earthlink and maybe others has a fix for your daughter

As bad as I do not like SPAM, Earthlink has a option that will ONLY allow email from selected addresses. If a friend not on the list send and email, it get sent back and they have to apply to get on your list.

Not a bad deal for parents.

[kiahzero]

10. This is the third case on the matter

Hopefully, Billy Rhenquist and the Supremes will show the same common sense they did last time.

[htuttle]

18. Again?

Time to dig out those blue ribbon graphics from the 90's, I guess.

http://www.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html




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