is gay marriage inevitable?

[ButterflyBlood]

I say yes. I don't know a single person against it. In fact when the day after the Massachussetts court decision requiring marriage I remember walking out the lobby to my first class only to see two guys in the lobby looking over the free newspapers with the story on the front page and one said "wow, that's awesome. they should just do that in ever state."

and apparentely according to an exit poll tonight, 60% of under 30 voters support gay marriage. therefore, it is inevetible, once we take over, the bigots lose. :)

[saltpoint]

1. Yep -- inevitable. With 2 excellent advantages:

1 -- it's inclusive & extends to all the full range of benefits under current law; and

2 -- its inevitability means that sometime very soon Fred Phelphs will have a massive heart attack and fall over dead.

A value-added initiative.

[wellstone_democrat]

6. Re your Phelps comment

you say that like its a *bad* thing!

Shame on you, he will be "called to glory" and we should be *de-lighted* for his good fortune.

[saltpoint]

7. Oh yes, oh yes, you are so right...

... let us join together and commend his sorry ass to his Creator at once!

-- thanks for your post :) --

[wellstone_democrat]

8. jus tryin' to be a good Christian

and hope that the Lord "takes him home" as soon as he can stand the company...I'm sure that is what Rev Phelps wants.

[Cannikin]

12. Are we going to make a monument?

Fred Phelps entered hell on **/**/04?


Only seems fair.

[foreigncorrespondent]

2. Of course it is.

The 14th amendment says everything:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It is high time the repukes stopped shitting on the words of the founding fathers.

[freeforall]

3. Definitely! Especially after September 24th, 2004

When Jupiter goes into Libra - the partnership sign. Jupiter will expand our idea of partnerships.

And no, this post doesn't belong in the astro section of the Meeting Room.

Wait and see.

[DemocraticDonkey]

4. inevitable

Ya...change just takes time. And there will always be the brainless conservative roadblocks fighting blindly (and even ammending the constitution) to preserve the status quo at any and all costs.

We should just sell it like this: "Well, since you don't want gays to marry because they cant reproduce, just let them marry, then in a generation there won't be a single liberal alive...because you know gay marriage will ruin the country. Then, only your good christian kids will be alive and they can make sure another democrat never gets elected again. It's worth it!"

[foreigncorrespondent]

5. Well they are trying to amend...

...the constitution, but that amendment will never pass.

[myopic4141]

9. If this is to remain a nation where all are equal,

it will.

[Bucky]

10. Not yes, but "yet but"

All things being equal, yes the notion of accepting all kinds of marriage is too logical for us to stave off as a nation. That said, a regressive-minded president can do a lot of damage and delay historical trends. Since Bush took office and began his first subtle and now not so subtle attacks on homosexuals, support for gay marriages, and even for gay rights, has dropped.

Dropped, not stood still, but dropped. A majority still supports equal rights short of marriage, but that number is closer to 50% than it was when Clinton was in office.

The relevent historical precedent is Woodrow Wilson. His repressive racial policies in the 1910s created a huge drop off in white support for the civil rights of blacks. More importantly, his policies emboldened that portion of the white population that wanted to throw blacks back into the 19th century. It's no accident that the Klan re-awakened during Wilson's term in office. Less garish groups of whites organized with quieter but equally racist agendas and made pols work for their support.

As a result, civil rights progress in America was put back two generations, even though all of Wilson's successors, Republican and Democrat, were fairly supportive of expanding racial equality. Bush's actions threaten to repeat history. Bush is unleashing forces that can keep the inevitable at bay for two generations as well. Only defeating him in this nonsense will give us any hope of moving forward without the usual silly and destructive backlashes.

[shimmergal]

11. Yes, it's inevitable. Essentially it's already happened.

Sociologically it's neither church nor state that "makes" a marriage, but its recognition by the partners' larger social world.

Anyone who recognizes gay friends' relationships, and treats them as they'd treat an established het couple, has given de facto recognition to gay marriage.